Not By Works
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I have a confession to make. I cannot actually understand the heart of someone who reads
Gods word and yet denies its core points. It is like staring at the judgement seat of God and
making rude signs at Him.
Each word, each concept is accounted for, and judgement fall on it. To not know Gods word
is one thing, but to read it and then reject it is another.
I did not realise years ago how I would be transformed from sinner to saint, how my failures
would be healed and how I could be made whole. But when love found a home within me,
and love worked its ways through all I am, then I have become something that God has
made, and I rejoice greatly in His love, Amen.
I have also learnt how people defile their interactions, and turn that which is pure into
that which is untrue and dishonest. Of this I want no part. Make your walk the walk of
Jesus and His ways and you will walk in the Kingdom, Amen
Gods word and yet denies its core points. It is like staring at the judgement seat of God and
making rude signs at Him.
Each word, each concept is accounted for, and judgement fall on it. To not know Gods word
is one thing, but to read it and then reject it is another.
I did not realise years ago how I would be transformed from sinner to saint, how my failures
would be healed and how I could be made whole. But when love found a home within me,
and love worked its ways through all I am, then I have become something that God has
made, and I rejoice greatly in His love, Amen.
I have also learnt how people defile their interactions, and turn that which is pure into
that which is untrue and dishonest. Of this I want no part. Make your walk the walk of
Jesus and His ways and you will walk in the Kingdom, Amen
N
yup
ive made long posts about it
short posts
little reminders
it doesnt matter
some people just want to add to the gospel
other people are just in error thinking the sacrifice of Jesus isnt enough to save someone
"youre saying you can just be the same old person after being born again?"
such a typical strawman
no one has said once youre a new creature youre the same old man...
youre obviously not...
ive made long posts about it
short posts
little reminders
it doesnt matter
some people just want to add to the gospel
other people are just in error thinking the sacrifice of Jesus isnt enough to save someone
"youre saying you can just be the same old person after being born again?"
such a typical strawman
no one has said once youre a new creature youre the same old man...
youre obviously not...
R
Wrong. No one is saved by a faith that is alone. The faith that is alone does not justify.
The faith that works through love, that is the faith that justifies.
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love."-Galatians 5:6
If your faith is alone then you do not have the faith that justifies apart from works. That's not a works gospel. If you say it is then you are saying Paul taught a works gospel. Do you want to argue with Paul?
The faith that works through love, that is the faith that justifies.
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love."-Galatians 5:6
If your faith is alone then you do not have the faith that justifies apart from works. That's not a works gospel. If you say it is then you are saying Paul taught a works gospel. Do you want to argue with Paul?
N
Galatians 5
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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ralph
context.....
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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ralph
context.....
R
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love."-Galatians 5:6
Do you think Paul is adding works and teaching a works gospel here? Of course not. But what is clear is you are not going to be saved by faith that is alone. The faith that is alone has no power to justify. Only faith that loves is the faith that justifies apart from works. Faith that is alone can not save you. Works do matter.
Do you think Paul is adding works and teaching a works gospel here? Of course not. But what is clear is you are not going to be saved by faith that is alone. The faith that is alone has no power to justify. Only faith that loves is the faith that justifies apart from works. Faith that is alone can not save you. Works do matter.
R
The context is justification.
The faith that is alone can not justify. Only the faith that works justifies. The works don't justify. The faith does. The point is, the faith that justifies is signified by the work that accompanies it.
"things that accompany salvation"-Hebrews 6:9
But the trend in the church today is you don't have to have works with your faith to be saved. Many do not know that the faith that justifies apart from works is the faith that works. And so they have a false sense of security in their dead faith. Works do matter to salvation. They don't justify. They show the faith that justifies.
The faith that is alone can not justify. Only the faith that works justifies. The works don't justify. The faith does. The point is, the faith that justifies is signified by the work that accompanies it.
"things that accompany salvation"-Hebrews 6:9
But the trend in the church today is you don't have to have works with your faith to be saved. Many do not know that the faith that justifies apart from works is the faith that works. And so they have a false sense of security in their dead faith. Works do matter to salvation. They don't justify. They show the faith that justifies.
N
i think God needs to open ones eyes...
that taking a single verse out of context
then
adding a whole bunch of worldly understandings that are wayyy off base from what started as an error to begin with is getting old...
its what all the people who wish to add to or take from what Jesus did do...
kinda like what satan did to temp Jesus too actually
using scripture out of context
that taking a single verse out of context
then
adding a whole bunch of worldly understandings that are wayyy off base from what started as an error to begin with is getting old...
its what all the people who wish to add to or take from what Jesus did do...
kinda like what satan did to temp Jesus too actually
using scripture out of context