mark of the beast

[iamsoandso]

I don’t think it is one of those spiritual truths hid until technology advances? The chippy thing is relativity new innovation.

What will technology the new god of this world bring next?

I would offer as Christians I would think we would compare the spiritual understanding of a word mixing it with faith, the unseen, to the same spiritual understanding coming from the word. And not the technology of the world to the technology of the world .We do not compare the wheel to the electronic signature of a tattoo or a chip..

It’s not in reference to famine of groceries or home goods that we are to buy and not sell but the spiritual truth of the gospel. It is hid in the gospel as the hidden manna spoke of in Revelation. Only it can satisfy a hunger and a hunger and thirst for knowing g God when he does send a famine. It has nothing to do with the foods and drinks that are necessary for these bodies of death.

Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Although the scriptures speak of mark there is no sign as a wonder attached to itcthat we are tosek after. It does not say be warned of those that have a literal mark .But always is in respect to the first indication where most doctrine finds its beginning in Geneisis.

The Mark of Cain marked as a restless wanderer (no Sabbath rest in Christ) as natural man marked with a word six hundred and sixty six. It sets the presence of how the word mark is used. Just as it says, the mark of natural unconverted man, one of the many beasts of the field made from the dust of the field.



It might work well for that purpose but again the buying and selling has to do with spiritual truth. Like for instance another man marked like that of Cain ,Esau, a person who sold the spiritual truth of conversion for a bowl of warm homemade so soup.

When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. Gen 4:12

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:16

Forehead and hand always represent the unseen will.It is no more a literal mark them us washing cloth in the blood of Christ it is used as a figure or parable of speak.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Forehead and hand always represent the unseen will

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest (Cain the restless wander) day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

As always

2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

In Job "to and fro up and down in it" or the same as a vagabond and a fugitive wandering about ect.

 

[heartofdavid]

Take a look at these verses on the mark;

rev 13;7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

15 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

1) everyone on the earth receives the mark or dies.
2) power is given the AC to overcome ,KILL, the saints
3)rev 15 those that were martyred got victory over the AC.

Bottom line,rev 15 is in the middle of the GT,and all the saints have died.

 

[Joseppi]

Jesus asked. When the Son of man returns shall there be faith on earth?
The answer is, Yes.
144,ooo men of faith will meet him on the Mount of Olives.
And the remnant of Israel will be saved by Jesus when they call on Jesus and say, Blessed is Jesus Christ who cometh in the name of the Lord.
If the days were not shortened no flesh would be saved.
But, the days will be shortened.

 

[Joseppi]

Jesus asked , When the Son of man returns shall there be faith on earth?
The answer is , Yes,
144,ooo men of faith will meet him on the Mount of Olives.
The remnant of Israel will be saved when Jesus returns, and they will say, Blessed is Jesus Chist, that cometh in the name of the LORD.
All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
They who are alive at his coming shall meet him in the air.
The faithful and wise virgins with oil in their lamps will hear the call of Jesus' return and meet him at the door.

 

[louis]

Take a look at these verses on the mark;

rev 13;7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

15 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

1) everyone on the earth receives the mark or dies.
2) power is given the AC to overcome ,KILL, the saints
3)rev 15 those that were martyred got victory over the AC.

Bottom line,rev 15 is in the middle of the GT,and all the saints have died.

How I see it is that there will first be a terrible 3.5 years world wide (aka the great tribulation).
Then the beast who rises from the sea causes 3.5 years of good times for the faithless.
The faithful, however, will not participate in these good times, and thus most will physically perish.
At the conclusion of these 7 years is when the Lords wrath comes upon the faithless, and not the remnant faithful who will have survived through the beasts system and not been murdered.

 

[Joseppi]

God created to establish his kingdom of love and truth.
In doing so God has chosen to allow evil for a time.
God by allowing evil to exist for a time has provided the means to teach all creatures the eternal value of love and truth.
Without evil present each man and angel could endlessly philosophize about truth and love and the meaning of life.
But, because of evil and good being present all learn of the evil consequences and the consequences of good.
By God's mercy and grace all may choose good according to faith in God.
By consequences we learn that evil results in utter destruction.

The great tribulation destroys any presumptious reliance on philosophy and all its evils, while establishing faith in God.
Faith in Jesus in time of great tribulation proves the truth of faith to all.
So, God has given us the great tribulation for the spreading of the gospel of our faith globally unto a global harvest of faithful souls.
Nevertheless, God also desires to reveal his wisdom, and his love.
To that end God has provided the means for wisdom to save many souls.

I have perceived according to the scriptures that although God alone has defeated the evil one by the cross of Jesus Christ, it nevertheless pleases him to work out and conclude the destruction of the evil one by the church according to faith in Jesus.
God promised that a man child would come and crush the head of the serpent that appeared in the garden of Eden. There is no greater humiliating crushing of that head of that serpent (satanic philosophy) than that obtained by the saints that keep faith in Jesus till he returns.
For by our faith in Jesus Christ we participate in the deliverance of man out of the bondage of evil, giving God glory, while shaming the angels that thought it was robberry to be equal with God, and showing that evil men are without excuse for not having believed the gospel of God's salvation in Christ Jesus.

My point is to stress that as soldiers at war with wickedness in high places we don't have the right to quit the fight. Remember whom God chose to use clay pot lamps to defeat Gideons enemies. He didn't choose any that had it in their heart to quit and go home, nor did he choose them that failed to keep their eyes on the enemy as they drank the water God provided.

You might suppose I am exaggerating the warrior of Christ Jesus, viewpoint.
If so, then consider how many have claimed to understand the mark of the beast pasage in Reveation 13, but have utterly failed to ever see that there are three ways to buy and sell. Two ways being available to the saints of God, but only if they are indeed wise.
That failure to see and reveal this to the church is the result of Satan's warfare against the church that has introduced false doctrines suggesting to men to seek to escape harship and tribulation on earth.
It is traitorous to subvert the troops into being quitters.
It is time to stand up for Jesus and prepare for open warfare as good soldiers till Jesus returns.
And wisdom is needful of all who stand. For we are among wolves and must be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

 

[dcontroversal]

Just seen the Dow Jones is down 666 points this week.....hilarious, because I seen that and then looked down and seen this thread HAHAHHA

 

[garee]

In Job "to and fro up and down in it" or the same as a vagabond and a fugitive wandering about ect.

Yes the nature of the mark not seen.No Sabbath rest for the unbelievers.(666)

I would say as in most cases Genesis, in the beginning introduces the meaning of the words used in the doctrines of God. Using the mark as literal and not a figure of speech as a parable to indicate walking or understanding by faith would to seem men are walking by sight. The Jew performed that as turning things upside down as if the kingdom of God was of this world.. Taking away the understanding of the Potter’s faith.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

The apostate (no faith) outward Jews required a sign before they would believe or commit faith,(they need a mark) which again is walking by sight making the unseen understanding without effect. They stumbled over the cross not mixing faith in what they heard or seen,.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Co 1:22
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The mark is the unseen mark of natural unconverted man... the restless wander (no Sabbath rest to soften the hearts)

Its I think the arrows of His wrath (no blessings) as to what they were shooting for to rebuke us.

Johnathon used that kind of a mark hidden from the eyes of the enemies of the gospel in the parable below .

1Samuel 20:20 And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark. ( No literal mark)

Job seems to reflect the same idea no Sabbath rest for the soul the mark of a continuous burden . As the mark of Christ he makes our burden lighter as he carries the eternal wage of our sin..

Job 7:20 I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself? ...(No rest)

Lamintations..in respect to the gospel of Christ spoken of beforehand he gives us a precursor of the thoughts of the promised Son of man as he and the a father work together to establish the peace of God according to His understanding.

I AM the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.Surely against me is he turned; he turneth his hand against me all the day.My flesh and my skin hath he made old; he hath broken my bones.He hath builded against me, and compassed me with gall and travail.He hath set me in dark places, as they that be dead of old.He hath hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he hath made my chain heavy.Also when I cry and shout, he shutteth out my prayer. He hath inclosed my ways with hewn stone, he hath made my paths crooked. He was unto me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places. He hath turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he hath made me desolate.He hath bent his bow, and set me as a mark for the arrow.He hath caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.I was a derision to all my people; and their song all the day.He hath filled me with bitterness, he hath made me drunken with wormwood.

Christ took on the burden of a marked man .It’s his spiritual truth we are to buy and not sell not the goods of this world as if we did walk by sight .

No literal mark is promised.

It’s an evil generation that looks to a sign to seek after.

 

[Joseppi]

On Monday the company introduced the next step toward the technology useful for implementing the mark of the beast system.
This is more than 30 years after the Lord told me "As this building goes, so goes the world."
Strangely, this occurred after my recent posts on this discussion thread. No prior warning.
Its a event parallel in manner to the first event I described in that, after getting my attention one day, as I said above, the next day they placed mark machine right outside the room I was working in.

On Monday the 12th, they placed a new machine in what has long been a large cafeteria/meeting room with many tables and chairs etc served only by vending machines.

The machine is a pos (point of sale). It is part of a system called Canteen Marketplace.
It has inputs for cash, debit card, a barcode scanner, a fingerprint scanner, camera, and voice.
And it has a large screen with camera app section in a on screen box in the upper left.
No cash exchange.
You must become a member of the system to buy the market products which products are not in machines but directly available to customers. As a member you can use debit, or place cash into your account.
You get the product off shelf, scan it, then fingerprint to pay for item out of your account.

 

[Alertandawake]

Joseppi, that sounds like one of those self service type machines.

Technology, where everything is more convenient at the cost of people losing their jobs to robots. The more we see robots taking jobs away from people, the more I see some kind of Universal Basic Income being applied on a world wide scale.

We really need to be on guard during these extremely dangerous days.

The more you read about about chemtrails, nanofibres, nanoparticles, it is like people are becoming conditioned, or their bodies are being rewritten to be compatible for the final stage of the conversion process, in which mankind will progress to the next step to fit in with this New World/Age Order, a man forever trapped in a system that results in a man being nothing more than a biological robot/zombie.

 

[Joseppi]

Joseppi, that sounds like one of those self service type machines.

Technology, where everything is more convenient at the cost of people losing their jobs to robots. The more we see robots taking jobs away from people, the more I see some kind of Universal Basic Income being applied on a world wide scale.

We really need to be on guard during these extremely dangerous days.

The more you read about about chemtrails, nanofibres, nanoparticles, it is like people are becoming conditioned, or their bodies are being rewritten to be compatible for the final stage of the conversion process, in which mankind will progress to the next step to fit in with this New World/Age Order, a man forever trapped in a system that results in a man being nothing more than a biological robot/zombie.

What is notable about this is; the required system membership and account, the lack of cash exchange (one way), the required fingerprint for payment, the barcode [mark] reader, and the camera/voice port.
I googled and found these machines as kiosks in China. As I understand this, it is to spread into marketplaces such as Kroger and Walmart etc...

None of it is against Christ but once the cashless society emerges then all that is left is the establishing of the Beast's control over the system.

 

[garee]

Take a look at these verses on the mark;

rev 13;7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

15 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

1) everyone on the earth receives the mark or dies.
2) power is given the AC to overcome ,KILL, the saints
3)rev 15 those that were martyred got victory over the AC.

Bottom line,rev 15 is in the middle of the GT,and all the saints have died.

Not a outward mark . We walk by faith .Looking to the unseen spiritual .

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

666 is the number assigned to natural man unconverted man as restless wanderers (no Sabbath rest).

They refuse to buy spiritual truth and like the marked man Esau, but rather sell it for a cup of soup showing they have no interest in spiritul matters. Nothing to with the goods of this world. We look to the unseen eternal walking by the faith of Christ.

 

[louis]

Whatever the name, or number of the beast is; the Antichrist sure lives up to his reputation as the massive narcissist in Daniel, who constantly magnifies himself, and appears has to see his name splattered on everything and everyone just to feed his ego.

Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart , and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Not a outward mark . We walk by faith .Looking to the unseen spiritual .

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

666 is the number assigned to natural man unconverted man as restless wanderers (no Sabbath rest).

They refuse to buy spiritual truth and like the marked man Esau, but rather sell it for a cup of soup showing they have no interest in spiritul matters. Nothing to with the goods of this world. We look to the unseen eternal walking by the faith of Christ.

Garee, the scripture would disagree with you. The mark does have to do with the goods of this world, for the scripture is very clear which says, "Except anyone had the mark they would not be able to buy or sell." Therefore the scripture supports a literal device in the hand or forehead. By making reference to 2 Cor.4:18, You are simply misapplying and forcing the spiritual to what is literal. That scripture is referring to those having faith in the things promised, but not yet seen and should not be applied to the information regarding the mark of the beast.

The fact that we already have companies in Sweden and in the US, literally implanting chips under the skin of their employees for the purpose of making electronic purchases (buying) would support the mark as being literal and not spiritual.

 

[slave]

hi all!!!!!!!!!! to all of you who believe revelation is still yet to come what you think the mark of the beast is? rfid chip sunday worship or something else?

Those who had given the worship to Caesar which was demanded had on them the mark of the beast on their right hand and on their forehead. This mark is another of the grim parodies which occur in Revelations; it is a parody of a sacred Jewish custom. When a Jew prayed, he wore "phylacteries" on his left arm and on his forehead. They were little leather boxes with little scrolls of parchment inside them on which the following passages were written - Exodus 13:1-10; Exodus 13:11-16;
Deuteronomy 6:4-9; Deuteronomy 11:13-21.

The word for the mark of the beast is "charagma" in the Greek, and it could come from more than one ancient custom:

1). Sometimes domestic slaves were branded with the mark of their owner. But usually they were branded only if they had run away or had been guilty of some grave misdemeanour. Such a mark was called a "stigma" in the Greek; we still use the word in English. If the mark is connected with this, it means that those who worship the beast are his property.

2). Sometimes soldiers branded themselves with the name of their general, if they were very devoted to him. This, to some extent, corresponds to the modern custom of tattooing upon one's person the name of someone specially dear. If the mark is connected with this, it means that those who worship the beast are his devoted followers.

3). On every contract of buying or selling there was a "charagma," a seal, and on the seal the name of the emperor and the date. If the mark is connected with this, it means that those who worship the beast accept his authority.

4). All coinage had the head and inscription of the emperor stamped upon it, to show that it was his property. If the mark is connected with this, it again means that those who bear it are the property of the beast.

5). When a man had burned his pinch of incense to Caesar, he was given a certificate to say that he had done so. The mark of the beast may be the certificate of worship, which a Christian could obtain only at the cost of denying his faith.

ill-regardless of how it all transpires in our modern vernacular in culture it is obvious John is referencing the Nero of His day and the head of Satan's world system even as he sends the anti-christ in reference to the number 666 for the future alikeness of him filled with Satan's power.

I can say, "I think this, and I think that, or possibly I think this...," (all day), but I do not know the details of that event yet. But what I am sure to say of this process is that it will happen! I'm just not much of a guesser when it comes to spiritual matters is all.

 

[slave]

Just to pit-stop for a second, as far as the number of the beast in (Revelation 13:18), we are told that the number of the beast is six hundred and sixty-six; and it is almost certainly true that more ingenuity has been expended on this verse than on any other verse in Scripture. Who is this satanic beast so symbolized? It must be remembered that the ancient peoples had no figures and the letters of the alphabet did duty for numbers as well. This is as if in English we used A for 1, B for 2, C for 3, D for 4, and so on. Every word, therefore, and in particular every proper name, can also be a number.

One charming and romantic way in which use was made of this fact is quoted by Deissmann. On the walls of Pompeii a lover wrote: "I love her whose number is 545," and thereby he at one and the same time identified and concealed his loved one!

The suggestions as to the meaning of 666 are endless. Since it is the number of the beast, everyone has twisted it to fit his own arch-enemy; and so 666 has been taken to mean the Pope, John Knox, Martin Luther, Napoleon and many another. Even some say Trump - (Non-sense!) Dr. Kepler provides us with an example of what ingenuity produced clear back during the Second World War. Let A = 100; B = 101; C = 102; D = 103 and so on. Then we can make this addition:

H = 107
I = 108
T = 119
L = 111
E = 104
R = 117
and the sum is 666!

Very early we saw that the Revelation is written in code; it is clear that nowhere will the code be more closely guarded than in regard to this number which stands for the arch-enemy of the Church. The strange thing is that the key must have been lost very early; for even so great a Christian scholar as Irenaeus in the second century did not know what the number stood for.

We set down four of the very early guesses:
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Irenaeus suggested that it might stand for Euanthas. In Greek numbers E = 5; U = 400; A = 1; N = 50; TH (the Greek letter theta) = 9; A = 1; S = 200; and the sum is 666. But as to what Euanthas meant Irenaeus had no suggestion to make; so he had simply substituted one riddle for another.

Another suggestion was that the word in question was Lateinos. L = 30; A = 1; T = 300; E = 5; I = 10; N = 50; O = 70; S = 200; and the sum is 666. Lateinos could be taken to mean Latin and, therefore, could stand for the Roman Empire.

A third suggestion was Teitan. T = 300; E = 5; I = 10; T = 300; A = 1; N = 50; and the sum is 666. Teitan could be made to yield two meanings. First, in Greek mythology the Titans were the great rebels against God. Second, the family name of Vespasian and Titus and Domitian was Titus, and possibly they could be called the Titans.

A fourth suggestion was arnoume. A = 1; R = 100; N = 50; 0 = 70; U = 400; M = 40; E = 5; and the sum is 666. It is just possible that arnoume could be a form of the Greek word "arnoumai" in Greek meaning - "I deny." In this case the number would stand for the denial of the name of Christ.

None of these suggestions is convincing to me however. The chapter itself gives us by far the best clue. There recurs again and again the mention of the head that was wounded to death and then restored. We have already seen that that head symbolizes the Nero redivivus legend. We might well, therefore, act on the assumption that the number has something to do with Nero. Many ancient manuscripts give the number as 616. If we take Nero in Latin and give it its numerical equivalent, we get:

N = 50
E = 6
R = 500
O = 60
N = 50

The total is 666; and the name can equally well be spelled without the final N which would give the number 616. In Hebrew the letters of Nero Caesar also add up to 666.

There is little doubt that the number of the beast stands for Nero; and that John is forecasting the coming of Antichrist in the form of Nero, the incarnation of all evil, returning to this world.

But I digress, this is another subject for another thread sorry - Smile.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Greetings Slave,

Those who had given the worship to Caesar which was demanded had on them the mark of the beast on their right hand and on their forehead. This mark is another of the grim parodies which occur in Revelations; it is a parody of a sacred Jewish custom. When a Jew prayed, he wore "phylacteries" on his left arm and on his forehead. They were little leather boxes with little scrolls of parchment inside them on which the following passages were written - Exodus 13:1-10; Exodus 13:11-16;
Deuteronomy 6:4-9; Deuteronomy 11:13-21.

The word for the mark of the beast is "charagma" in the Greek, and it could come from more than one ancient custom:

1). Sometimes domestic slaves were branded with the mark of their owner. But usually they were branded only if they had run away or had been guilty of some grave misdemeanour. Such a mark was called a "stigma" in the Greek; we still use the word in English. If the mark is connected with this, it means that those who worship the beast are his property.

2). Sometimes soldiers branded themselves with the name of their general, if they were very devoted to him. This, to some extent, corresponds to the modern custom of tattooing upon one's person the name of someone specially dear. If the mark is connected with this, it means that those who worship the beast are his devoted followers.

3). On every contract of buying or selling there was a "charagma," a seal, and on the seal the name of the emperor and the date. If the mark is connected with this, it means that those who worship the beast accept his authority.

4). All coinage had the head and inscription of the emperor stamped upon it, to show that it was his property. If the mark is connected with this, it again means that those who bear it are the property of the beast.

5). When a man had burned his pinch of incense to Caesar, he was given a certificate to say that he had done so. The mark of the beast may be the certificate of worship, which a Christian could obtain only at the cost of denying his faith.

ill-regardless of how it all transpires in our modern vernacular in culture it is obvious John is referencing the Nero of His day and the head of Satan's world system even as he sends the anti-christ in reference to the number 666 for the future alikeness of him filled with Satan's power.

I can say, "I think this, and I think that, or possibly I think this...," (all day), but I do not know the details of that event yet. But what I am sure to say of this process is that it will happen! I'm just not much of a guesser when it comes to spiritual matters is all.

The technology for what is to become the mark of the beast is already here and in use. This mark is the very reason why we have this electronic crediting and debiting system (buying and selling) set up all over the world. The device will continue to evolve and will eventually replace all other methods of buying and selling, eventually leaving only that mark as the only valid method for electronic crediting and debiting. It started of in Sweden and her sister countries and the technology is now here in the US. Just click on the links below to see this technology. This mark has nothing to do with the past, but is for the future mark/device of the antichrist who is yet to be revealed.

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Company to install microchips in employees

 

[slave]

Yes the world is Satan's system today as well; yet overshadowed by God's Sovereignty; So the implantable RFID chip could turn out to be the the Mark of the Beast, (which when I exercise my thinking in the modern vernacular could happen), the point is, it will not be until the actual reign of the Antichrist that it will have it's power and signifigance.

The Bible is quite clear that receiving the Mark, during the Tribulation, is completely and obviously tied to the worship of the antichrist. No one will take the mark by accident. You will be asked to swear allegiance to the antichrist as an act of worship. Anyone receiving the mark during the time of the Great Tribualtion will know exactly why they are getting it. It will be beacuse they will be acknowledging, falsely, the antichrist as God.

Knowing the future is understanding the past.

 

[MHz]

hi all!!!!!!!!!! to all of you who believe revelation is still yet to come what you think the mark of the beast is? rfid chip sunday worship or something else?

A permit to become a merchant under the rule of the Beast from the Pit (5th trump) and the 10 men that appoints as kings. The verse below is who is mourning the destruction of Satan's Kingdom starting with Babylon.

Re:18:8-13:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
And the kings of the earth,
who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her,
shall bewail her,
and lament for her,
when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city Babylon,
that mighty city!
for in one hour is thy judgment come.
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her;
for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
The merchandise of gold,
and silver,
and precious stones,
and of pearls,
and fine linen,
and purple,
and silk,
and scarlet,
and all thyine wood,
and all manner vessels of ivory,
and all manner vessels of most precious wood,
and of brass,
and iron,
and marble,
And cinnamon,
and odours,
and ointments,
and frankincense,
and wine,
and oil,
and fine flour,
and wheat,
and beasts,
and sheep,
and horses,
and chariots,
and slaves,
and souls of men.

That is 3 1/2 years before the two witnesses are killed and it is during the 4 days they are dead that Satan can put a throne on holy ground in Jerusalem as stated in 2Thess:2. The men who are said to give glory to God when a quake kills 7,000 men that are willing to worship the Beast and worship the image. That is what it takes to take the mark of the beast. A consumer buys but he does not sell anything.

The false throne is what the image from Re:13 is and a false throne is what is being referenced in these verses.

M't:24:14-21:
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.

The 'great tribulation' mentioned is the 3rd woe and the 7 vials are the wrath associated with that woe.

Da:11:31:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.

Resisting making money would be how you beat taking the mark.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Ok, so If the implantable RFID chip does turn out to be the the Mark of the Beast, (which when I exercise my thinking in the modern vernacular could happen), the point is, it will not be until the actual reign of the Antichrist that it will have it's power and signifigance.

The Bible is quite clear that receiving the Mark, during the Tribulation, is completely and obviously tied to the worship of the antichrist. No one will take the mark by accident. You will be asked to swear allegiance to the antichrist as an act of worship. Anyone receiving the mark during the time of the Great Tribualtion will know exactly why they are getting it. It will be beacuse they will be acknowledging, falsely, the antichrist as God.

Yes, you are correct! And as I said, the RFID chip will most likely evolve into something more applicable. What will remain consistent is that, whatever the device turns out to be, it will go in/on the hand or forehead.

You are correct again in that, no one will take the mark by accident. When the scripture states that he (false prophet) causes all both rich and poor, free and slave, great and small to receive the mark," I believe that the way in which this will be accomplished will by making all other forms of buying and selling obsolete, leaving the mark/device as the only valid form of buying and selling electronically. It will be that proverbial line being drawn in the sand, forcing the inhabitants of the earth to make a decision to ether receive it or reject it.. Those who receive it will the those who names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world and who will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. Those who refuse the mark, will be those great tribulation saints. My point being is that the mark is for the future and not the past.

Did you even look at the links?