Healing in the Atonement?
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Does God saying no make our faith any weaker? Does it make our faith obsolete? Does it make it useless?
As he told paul. My grace is sufficient, No! I will not remove your thorn in the flesh (whatever disease he had)
One of our elder ladies has been in and out of the hospital and long care centers these past few months because of a heart problem. The whole churhc has prayed for her healing. She was finally able to return to church, and she praised God because he was their and conferted her through all the pain she was enduring, and seeing the great faith/prayers and help from her church family. Last week she had a set back and is back in the hospital.
Is God not healing her because she does nto have enough faith? Because we do nto have enough faith? She still praises God, and is ready to Go home if God calls her. Is her faith really that weak? I praise God she is not in a WOF church, I could only imagine the pain she would have to endure questioning whay she was not being healed. Instead of just saying, Amen God, it is part of tyhe curse. We all get old and die. I will still praise you every minute of every day, I pray you bring people to me so I can be a witness to your love and your grace, and maybe they can find the joy I have, and the peace I have. The peace which surpasses all understanding. That the world does not have.
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I can't and won't touch another mans faith stunned. I can only answer for myself, which is what we all will do before Father.
I see life in the blood of Jesus. And it started the day I was born again. And I also see that life was poured out on the mercy seat before Father. Interceding.
plus, life in His crown of thorns. Healing for the mind. Life in His beatings, Healing for our bodies. Life all over the ground of Israel. Reversing the curse of mankind having to sweat for food. From the garden to the Cross, to the grave. Life has touched every part of man. Touching our inner parts to our outer flesh. Salvation completed for the whole of man.
Spiritual men now produced in the image of the Son. His very divine image being formed in us who will take it by faith.
For me to deny what I see, would be denial of God Himself.
For in His mind, we are returned to the garden of Eden and all we need, we just ask for He loves to provide. This is the nature of my Father, shown through the mercy of giving us His Son.
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eternally-gratefull
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I have seen many people praise God and use their sickness to help other people suffering from cancer and lead them to God.
If you have not seen it, I am sorry, But that does nto mean it is not out there. I worked in a neurocance ward in the militry at Bethesda naval hospital when I was 19 - 22 years old. Yes I saw a lot of pain and suffering, But I witnessed a lot of people praise God also. Just like paul did,
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eternally-gratefull
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Question stones of fire.
Have you read the testimony of Joni Earickson Tada?
WHy did God not answer her prayer and heal her?
And why did her faith not waver even though God said no?
Have you read the testimony of Joni Earickson Tada?
WHy did God not answer her prayer and heal her?
And why did her faith not waver even though God said no?
I praise God for my cancer. 
In fact, I wrote a testimony about it. You might do well to read it...
In fact, I wrote a testimony about it. You might do well to read it... 
Oh man, that jab is almost too hard to resist! Thanks PennED. lol
Share the joke with the rest of the class!
All great benefits of our salvation EG.
There are those who have gifts of healing EG. And a true apostle moves in miracles. Look at the Greek.
So am sure you can see where im going with this?
Im not angry at anyone here. I don't say unless one is healed, they aren't Christians. But, I see those who say healing is for us, being attacked. And judged. It's crazy! And it's not the Spirit of God to do this.
Does God heal today? Either He does and will for all for He is no respecter of persons orHe doesn't.
Share the joke with the rest of the class!
PennED called me out on some hypocrisy recently and so now I am on my best behavior.
The joke was that we are dealing with unbelievers (no guarantee of healing), but it would've just been a dig at you guys.
I praise God for my cancer.
Still?
There are situations of life we can learn from. But, cancer gnaws at the body...eating flesh, muscle and bone. Don't tell me anyone would praise God for this. Pain Meds yes.
You have misunderstood the full argument. No one has a problem until it is being told to a grieving or ill person who got a: no, my grace is sufficient for you- that their problem is they don't have enough trust to be healed.
Sometimes miraculous healings happen. Sometimes they don't, as with Paul. There is now no condemnation for we who walk in the Spirit, who are being transformed to His image. So why would one who received the answer of my grace is sufficient be condemned as having no trust? And even after they accept the answer with even more trust?
You just heard from a sister who said she has and does, and you are telling her not to tell you about it?
I just got through stating that I cannot and will not answer for anyone else.
But, there's videos of a well know ministers wife that was paralyzed in her legs from an accident and was in a w/c for many years, get up and walk at the Bay of Spirit Revival on the 'net.
Why her? She testified she was tired of being picked up and plopped back in the chair. Was angry she was there. Till Nathan (forget last name) from the UK, the revivalist prayed for her. It's easy to find.
Did Tada actually hear God say no? I don't remember that.
I praise God for my cancer.
Truly precious to hear that sister.
You praise God in the circumstance you found yourself in.
You have obviously come to understand
Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
As children of God, we do not always know what to pray for or how best to pray (v. 26), but we can know the purpose of God which the Holy Spirit desires to accomplish. work together for good: The primary reference of all things is the “sufferings of this present time” (v. 18). All circumstances will work together in cooperation for the believer’s good—that is, the believer will be conformed to Jesus Christ now and reign with Him later. (NKJV study notes)
Alas people tend to focus on v28 and neglect v29.
Is is often said "God makes all things good" based on v28.
God did not promise that whilst we are here on earth.
But whilst here on earth that God works good in all things for those who love him in order to conform us to the image of Jesus.
There is one thing God had promised for those in him
Revelation 21:3-4
3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Thank you Jesus for your promise in Revelation.
I ask for all of us here that whilst we suffer here on earth we will trust in you, that we know your purpose and that you will use us to show Jesus in our lives.
We know that one day our lives will be perfect and we will be with you forever.
Thank you for that promise.
Luv ya BLB, thanks for your inspiration.
Your brother in Jesus.
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I Did not say God does not heal today. I have seen him heal so why would I deny it?
I asked why God is not healing this elder lady in our church of her heart disease. Do you have an answer sis?
PennED called me out on some hypocrisy recently and so now I am on my best behavior.
The joke was that we are dealing with unbelievers (no guarantee of healing), but it would've just been a dig at you guys.
Why do you think someone is an unbeliever who receives an answer of my grace is sufficient for you instead of a healing? And why would they even pray for healing in the first place if they were an unbeliever?