GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
- Thread starter LoveGodForever
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Yes Jesus did fulfill the LAW; All of God's 10 Commandments were filfilled in Jesus otherwise he could not be a perfect sacrifice. Fulfilled does not mean that he ABOLISHED God's 10 Commandments. There is only rest in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. Many believe like the devils but do not FOLLOW.
maybe the holy spirit comes and goes with every known sin
something doesn't quite sound right about that, though
if that's what you're saying
1 Timothy 3: 15. but if I wait long, that you may know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the assembly of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
something doesn't quite sound right about that, though
if that's what you're saying
1 Timothy 3: 15. but if I wait long, that you may know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the assembly of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
That is a misinterpretation of what GOD ordained as LAW. The Commandment from GOD is, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Verse 2 is an indicative expression, not a LAW to be obeyed. Notice nothing is being commanded. "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
(Exo 20:2-3 KJV)
The 613 mitzvah are an interpretation of what is Written. Some of them are GOD ordained laws, some are not.
They are a summary from a group of men not GOD.
Verse 2 is an indicative expression, not a LAW to be obeyed. Notice nothing is being commanded. "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
(Exo 20:2-3 KJV)
The 613 mitzvah are an interpretation of what is Written. Some of them are GOD ordained laws, some are not.
They are a summary from a group of men not GOD.
Last edited:
This scripture connects well with...
Acts 5
32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him.
God's Spirit is HOLY and no one has God's Spirit if they are living in KNOWN UNREPENTANT Sin.
To those who are in SIN he comes to convict if SIN and truth. But not all will hear him and by rejecting God's Word we can grieve him so that you will no longer hear him.
To those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD he lives IN them and testifies of God's WORDS.
................
There are of course conditions for receiving God's Spirit....
We must BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. What does God's Word say?
Act 2:38
Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 3:19
Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Act 8:22
Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:
Act 26:20
But showed first to them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
1 John 1:9,
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
..................
We GRIEVE God's SPIRIT by SIN (UNBELIEF and BREAKING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS)
Genesis 6
5, And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it GRIEVED HIM AT HIS HEART.
7, And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them.
Eph 4:30
And GRIEVE NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption.
Pslams 95
10, Forty years long was I GRIEVED with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
11, To whom I swore in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
Hebrews 3
10, Why I was GRIEVED with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
17, BUT WHOM WAS HE GRIEVED FORTY YEARS? WAS IT NOT WITH THEM THAT HAD SINNED, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of UNBELIEF.
Psa 119:158
I BEHELD THE TRANSGRESSORS AND WAS GRIEVED; because they kept not your word.
...................
KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will keep all those who CONTINUE in it OUT of God's KINGDOM.
..................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Last edited:
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision
Mainstream preaching)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Mainstream preaching)11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
To be frank, it matters little what the Jews wrote, or Constantine, or Jones, Smith, Bakker, the Pope, or any man. From the beginning satan has used God's Word, and men who would twist them, to trick people into disobedience.
That is the end result of all the serpents actions. To prove that people will follow it and it's hundreds of differing doctrines over God's One perfect instruction. It succeeded with Eve and Cain, but not with Abel, Noah and Abraham. It succeeded with the Children of Israel, but not with Caleb. With the wicked kings of Israel, but not with Isaiah. It succeeded with the Pharisees, but not with Zechariahs and Elizabeth, and not with Jesus and Peter though it surely tried.
My beef isn't with anyone personally unless they are furthering what they know is false doctrine. There are some on this forum that meet that description. Mostly I want a discussion, not in defense of religious traditions of any organized church. But an intellectually honest conversation about what the Bible actually says. And the preaching that the God of Abraham demanded all His people to obey 613 laws is false. But as you can see, there are "Many" who claim Jesus as their savior, who preach this exact thing.
This is one falsehood. Lets root them out together and expose them all.
That is the end result of all the serpents actions. To prove that people will follow it and it's hundreds of differing doctrines over God's One perfect instruction. It succeeded with Eve and Cain, but not with Abel, Noah and Abraham. It succeeded with the Children of Israel, but not with Caleb. With the wicked kings of Israel, but not with Isaiah. It succeeded with the Pharisees, but not with Zechariahs and Elizabeth, and not with Jesus and Peter though it surely tried.
My beef isn't with anyone personally unless they are furthering what they know is false doctrine. There are some on this forum that meet that description. Mostly I want a discussion, not in defense of religious traditions of any organized church. But an intellectually honest conversation about what the Bible actually says. And the preaching that the God of Abraham demanded all His people to obey 613 laws is false. But as you can see, there are "Many" who claim Jesus as their savior, who preach this exact thing.
This is one falsehood. Lets root them out together and expose them all.
reminds me of
1 Samuel 19: 23. He went there to Naioth in Ramah. Then the Spirit of God came on him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. 24. He also stripped off his clothes, and he also prophesied before Samuel, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Therefore they say, "Is Saul also among the prophets?"
1 Samuel 19: 23. He went there to Naioth in Ramah. Then the Spirit of God came on him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. 24. He also stripped off his clothes, and he also prophesied before Samuel, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Therefore they say, "Is Saul also among the prophets?"
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcisionMainstream preaching)
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Mainstream preaching)11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
People are more important than the the law, but if the the law could have been changed or removed than Jesus would not have needed to die. Just change the law and the death penalty could have been avoided.
Jesus had to die because the penalty of sin was death. sin is the transgression of the law.
Take away the law and there is no sin and no death.
The fact that Jesus Died for our sin proves that the law still stands.
The law = love (God and our neighbor), it is Holy Just and Good, but it is what condemns us as sinners.
Paul states it well..
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
When did sin start and is sin around today?
Jesus takes away the penalty and the death that sin brings but not the law.
If the Law ended at the cross than there would be no sin from that point. People are more important than the law but the law is unchangeable. This put God in a hard position, Change the law or kill the people??? One better! - keep the law and pay there debt for them. Justice and Grace perfectly working together.
Jesus had to die because the penalty of sin was death. sin is the transgression of the law.
Take away the law and there is no sin and no death.
The fact that Jesus Died for our sin proves that the law still stands.
The law = love (God and our neighbor), it is Holy Just and Good, but it is what condemns us as sinners.
Paul states it well..
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
When did sin start and is sin around today?
Jesus takes away the penalty and the death that sin brings but not the law.
If the Law ended at the cross than there would be no sin from that point. People are more important than the law but the law is unchangeable. This put God in a hard position, Change the law or kill the people??? One better! - keep the law and pay there debt for them. Justice and Grace perfectly working together.
Yes good post TMS, many mix up LAW and LOVE and the rold God's LAW has in Salvation to LOVE another. LOVE is the key but only the LAW can show us what LOVE is so that we can be free to LOVE another as Jesus first LOVED us. ALL of God's Commandments are fulfilled on the two great Commandments of LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.
I have seen the list many times and have a similar copy somewhere on my computer. I even posted it on the internet if I can remember where.
No.
Certainly not, although I do think the early chapters are misunderstood. One example being Adam. He and his family are the first people in Jewish history, but not world history. Cain and Able were farming the land and breeding sheep. The first people were hunter gathers.
I believe they are a reasonably true account of Jewish history. Bearing in mind history is written by the victors and it is the history of ONE small nation and not world history or the history of any other nation.
No.
Certainly not, although I do think the early chapters are misunderstood. One example being Adam. He and his family are the first people in Jewish history, but not world history. Cain and Able were farming the land and breeding sheep. The first people were hunter gathers.
I believe they are a reasonably true account of Jewish history. Bearing in mind history is written by the victors and it is the history of ONE small nation and not world history or the history of any other nation.
Last edited:
I'm not 'preaching' anything but what you quoted. The gospel of Christ, come from heaven, taken on flesh, crucified, raised the third day, ascended, and returning to gather His own and judge all things.
All the accusation is words others put in my mouth, mocking and scorn. Nothing, vanity, ignorance.
All the accusation is words others put in my mouth, mocking and scorn. Nothing, vanity, ignorance.