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MarcR

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“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,” (Luke 1:1 KJV)

"Forasmuch" Occurs 14 (7 x 2) times in the New Testament
"Forasmuch as" 14th (7 x 2) occurrence in the Bible. (case)
"many" 333rd (37 x 9) verse that contains this word in the Bible.
“many” 74th (37 x 2) verse in the NT that contains this word.
"many" 37th chapter in the Bible that contains this word.
"many" 336th (7 x 48) occurrence in the Bible. (case)
"many" found in 337 chapters of the Bible.
"many" found in 575 verses (7 x 75) of the Bible.
"many" 266 (7 x 38) verses of the New Testament
"many" 296 (37 x 8) verses in the Old Testament
"have" 2336th (73 x 32) verse containing this word in the Bible.
“have” 173rd occurrence in the 144th verse of the NT
"taken" 273rd (7 x 39) occurrence of this word in the Bible.
"in hand" 4th and final occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.
“hand” 49th (7 x 7) verse containing this word in the NT.
"hand to" 37th occurrence of this phrase in Bible.
"hand to" 35th (7 x 5) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible. (case)
"hand to" found 42 (7 x 6) times in the Bible
"hand to" (case) found exactly 7 times in the New Testament
"to set" 28th (7 x 4) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.
"set" 629th (37 x 17) occurrence of this word in the Bible.
“set” found in 665 (7 x 95) verses of the Bible.
“set forth” found 14 (7 x 2) times in the Bible. 7 OT and 7 NT and Luke 1:1 is 1st occurrence in the NT
“forth” found 888 (37 x 24) times in the Bible and 888 is the Gematria of Jesus in the Greek.
“forth” found in 657 (73 x 9) verses; 374 chapters and 37 books of the OT
“forth” found in 175 (7 x 25) verses of the NT
“order” 42nd (7 x 6) occurrence of this word in Bible. (case)
“order” found in 42 (7 x 6) verses of the OT
“order*” 49th verse (7x7) verse in the Bible containing any form of the word order.
“order*” found in 66 verses of the Bible (number of books in the Bible)
“order*” found 66 times in the Bible (case)
“order*” found 49 (7x7) times in the OT
“declar*” 111th (37 x 3) verse containing any form of the word “declare”
“declar*” found 148 (37 x 4) times in 146 (73 x 2) verses of the Bible
“declar*” found 137 times in the Bible (case)
“declar*” found 37 times in the NT
“of those” 49th (7 X 7) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible
“of those” found 70 times in the Bible.
“those” 222nd (37 x 6) chapter of the Bible containing this word (case)
“those” found in 441 (7 x 7 x 9) verses of the Bible
“those” found in 140 (7 x 20) verses of the NT.
“those” found in 301 (37 x 43) verses of the OT
“those things” found 70 times in 63 (7x9) verses and 56 (7x 8) chapters of the Bible. (case)
“things” 497th (7 x 71) occurrence of this word in the Bible.
“things” 728 (7 x 104) times in the NT
“thing*” found in 1517 (37 x 41) verses of the Bible.
“things which” 49th (7x7) occurrence of this phrase.
“things which” found in 137 verses of the Bible
“things which” 111 (37 x 3) times in the NT.
“things which” 37 verses of the OT.
“which” 3007th occurrence in the 2696th (337 x 8) verse (case)
“which” 1281 (7 x 183) verses of the NT. (case)
“which are” 111th (37 x 3) verse in the Bible containing this phrase (case)
“which are” found in 217 (7 x 31) verses of the Bible
“most” 133 (7 X 19) times in the Bible
“most” 111 (37 x 3) verses of the OT
“most” 77 chapters OT (case)
“most” 21 (3 x 7) times NT
“surely” 280th (7 x 40) occurrence and the 274th (137 x 2) verse
“surely” 196 (7 x 7 x 4; this is the number of times “Jesus Christ” occurs in the KJB) times in Bible (case)
“surely” 7 times in NT
“believed” 28th (7 x 4) verse in the Bible containing this word
“believed” 7th occurrence in the NT
“believ*” 74th (37 x 2) occurrence of any form of the word believe
“believed” 111 (37 x 3) verses in the Bible.
“believ*” 28th (7 x 4) occurrence in the NT (case)
“believ*” 322 (7 x 46) times in 287 (7 x 41) verses
“among” 742nd (7 x 106) occurrence and the 685th (137 x 5) verses (case)
“among” 903 (7 x 29) times in 840 (7 x 120) verses of the Bible. (case)
“among” 703 (37 x 19) times in the OT
"among us" 19th occurrence in the 18th verse (19 + 18 = 37)

* denotes wild card, for example thing* would include thing and things or all forms of the word thing.
Bible = King James Bible

Amazingly you will find that Matthew 1:1; Mark 1:1 and John 1:1 exhibit the same pattern. In fact the entire King James Bible exhibits this sort of structure I just have no personally checked the entire book but I will assert the entire last chapter of the Bible (Rev 22) shows this same pattern.
You have not addressed the FACT that πεπληροφορημένον is incorrectly translated believed when it does NOT mean believed. This is one of many errors. I am not even interested in the numbers; I am interested in what the words mean.
 
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You have not addressed the FACT that πεπληροφορημένον is incorrectly translated believed when it does NOT mean believed. This is one of many errors. I am not even interested in the numbers; I am interested in what the words mean.
You are only interested in your own intellect. You are playing with fire thinking that you can correct the word of God!
 

trofimus

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You are only interested in your own intellect. You are playing with fire thinking that you can correct the word of God!
The word of God has what MarcR says. So your post does not make much sense... No games with numbers can change the word of God as given in Greek.
 

FlyingDove

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You are only interested in your own intellect. You are playing with fire thinking that you can correct the word of God!
After reading the chapter through. I concluded MarcR is correct. The Chapter explains: OT promises were in fact fulfilled, I.E. accomplished or completed in the seed promised to Abraham (vs 55)

And the mystical numerology support narrative is, well, laughable.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Be sure you add the verses in Mark among other books they (Westcott and Hort) left out? It would be a shame for you to miss them.
Why do people keep repeating these unsubstantiated lies? The verses at the end of Mark 16 are printed in full in the NIV. This translation simply has the honesty to note:[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]" But the verses are included to read.

 

trofimus

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Why do people keep repeating these unsubstantiated lies? The verses at the end of Mark 16 are printed in full in the NIV. This translation simply has the honesty to note:[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]" But the verses are included to read.

Also, when they are not present in early Bibles, it logically means that KJV added them.
 
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I have not found any manuscript that does not have it.

So, probably all manuscript containing this verse have this word.
The word of God does not just consist of one word so the question still stands! Which manuscript is "the word of God."
 

trofimus

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That which "grew mightily and prevailed." Acts 19:20
Thats not a definition.

When I ask you "define what a car is", you answer "the one that is red and noisy".
 

CS1

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LOL love how those who try to explain that the word of God is without error then say it has error’s in a translation .

The lofty intellectual NOW talks about the Greek and Hebrew but were saved hearing the Gospel in English or a language other than Greek or Hebrew LOL.

Foolishness. You mean to Tell me God is not able to keep HIS word when it is translated into another Language? And the Holy Spirit lacks the ability to reveal Christ in another Language. This is what happens when those so-called learned become elitist of Languages and do not see the context has still been upheld .
 
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Thats not a definition.

When I ask you "define what a car is", you answer "the one that is red and noisy".
Your just playing word games in order to avoid answering the question.

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17

How about that which you heard and the result was a new birth! (1 Peter 1:23)

I do not have to define the word of God because the Bible has already defined it for us!




 
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After reading the chapter through. I concluded MarcR is correct. The Chapter explains: OT promises were in fact fulfilled, I.E. accomplished or completed in the seed promised to Abraham (vs 55)

And the mystical numerology support narrative is, well, laughable.
Stating that the word “surely” is found 7 times in the New Testament of the King James Bible is mystical numerology? No, it is a fact based simply on counting. (Ecclesiastes 7:27; Revelation 13:18) It should be evident that God is concerned with numbers and patterns both in the creation (Genesis 1 and 2) and things that are holy. (Exodus 25:9,40) This is undeniable unless you reject what the Bible says. Do you think it was a coincidence that the greatest earthly king that ever existed was a 7th son? (1 Chronicles 2:15) How many times did the child sneeze in 2 Kings 4:35?

Why did Elisha have Naaman “wash7 times in the Jordan river in order to be “clean?”

2 Kings 5:14 is the 238th (7 x 34) occurrence of the word “seven” in the Bible.

In the 77th chapter of the New Testament we read:

“…Go, wash in the pool of Siloam,…” (John 9:7)

and the 7th occurrence of the word “wash” in the New Testament is John 9:11;

“A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.” (John 9:11)

The word “wash” is found 14 (7 x 2) times in 7 chapters of the New Testament and in 70 verses of the Old Testament.

All forms of the word “wash” (washed, washing etc.) are found:

148 (37 x 4) times in the Bible in 133 (7 x 19) verses and 77 chapters of the Bible!
111 (37 x 3) times in the Old Testament in 56 (7 x 8) chapters
37 times in the New Testament in 21 (3 x 7) chapters

In the 49th (7 x 7) book of the Bible we read:

“That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,” (Ephesians 5:26) and Ephesians is the 7th book in the Bible that contains the word washing and it is the 407th (37 x 11) verse in the Bible that contains the phrase “the word.” The word “cleanse” in this verse is the 28th (7x 4) verse of the NT containing any form of the word “clean” and it is again the 7th book to do so.

word of God” is found 49 (7 x 7) times in the King James Bible.

“Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.” (John 15:3)

This verse is the 14th (7 x 2) in the New Testament that contains the word clean and the 37th occurrence of the phrase “the word.” (case) It is also the 21st (7 x 3) book of the Bible that contains the word “clean.”

The word “clean” is found 133 (7 x 19) times in the Bible.

The phrase “the word” is found 469 (7 x 67) times in the Bible and in 133 (7 x 19) verses of the New Testament.

The phrase “the word” (case) occurs 407 (37 x 11) times in the Bible

All forms of the word “clean” (cleansed, cleansing etc.) found 222 (37 x 6) times in the Bible (case) and 37 times in the New Testament.
 

MarcR

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LOL love how those who try to explain that the word of God is without error then say it has error’s in a translation .

The lofty intellectual NOW talks about the Greek and Hebrew but were saved hearing the Gospel in English or a language other than Greek or Hebrew LOL.

Foolishness. You mean to Tell me God is not able to keep HIS word when it is translated into another Language? And the Holy Spirit lacks the ability to reveal Christ in another Language. This is what happens when those so-called learned become elitist of Languages and do not see the context has still been upheld .
I believe that God uses imperfect people to transmit and preserve His Word.

God is certainly able to insure that His Word is transmitted perfectly without error; but I believe that He has NOT elected to do so.

Instead, I believe that He has allowed transcription errors in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that are available; and translation errors in all translations.

I believe that NONE of those errors is of such a nature that it in any way corrupts God's message; And that God's Word, regardless of translation [and in spite of all errors], is still totally reliable for sound doctrine in ALL matters of faith and practice.
 
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You have not addressed the FACT that πεπληροφορημένον is incorrectly translated believed when it does NOT mean believed. This is one of many errors. I am not even interested in the numbers; I am interested in what the words mean.
Are you saying that "those things" Luke mentions in verse 1 were not "surely believed?"

Let me rephrase, do believe that "those things" Luke was referencing were "surely believed?"
 
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LOL love how those who try to explain that the word of God is without error then say it has error’s in a translation .

The lofty intellectual NOW talks about the Greek and Hebrew but were saved hearing the Gospel in English or a language other than Greek or Hebrew LOL.

Foolishness. You mean to Tell me God is not able to keep HIS word when it is translated into another Language? And the Holy Spirit lacks the ability to reveal Christ in another Language. This is what happens when those so-called learned become elitist of Languages and do not see the context has still been upheld .
Jesus did not say walk in the Bible, He said walk in the Spirit. He said to seek and find. If those who are seeking find errors, should we all just remain ignorant. The Bible was written to people who were taking their first steps as Christians. To assume that all truth and understanding is limited to the Bible in any language would be like teaching a child the alphabet and then tell him he now has a complete knowledge of English....especially if some of the letters were omitted in the lessons.
 
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Jesus did not say walk in the Bible, He said walk in the Spirit. He said to seek and find. If those who are seeking find errors, should we all just remain ignorant. The Bible was written to people who were taking their first steps as Christians. To assume that all truth and understanding is limited to the Bible in any language would be like teaching a child the alphabet and then tell him he now has a complete knowledge of English....especially if some of the letters were omitted in the lessons.
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?" Galatians 3:2

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:" (Ephesians 6:17)

"Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." 1 Corinthians 2:13

How can you walk after the Spirit apart from God's word?