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HeraldtheNews

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Its not farm size, just feels like it sometimes. Lol
I bet it does! Just celebrate that you have a garden! and give us another pic when you are done! We should have a garden thread here since spring is near--
 

HeraldtheNews

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I'd like to throw a wrench into this conversation, since it's a topic I've been dealing with for awhile.

King Saul was described as possibly the "manliest-man" of Israel at the time, became a warrior-king but was ultimately rejected because he trusted himself rather than God. David was a scrawny musician who trusted God more than himself. Who was more masculine... does it even matter? The whole contrast leads up to the famous verse about God looking at the heart whereas man looks at the outside. So evidently a man should strive to be like David rather than Saul, from he perspective of inward devotion. Physicality is irrelevant.

A similar case happened with Esau and Jacob - the first being a rugged outdoors-type, whereas the other stayed in the tents all day with his mother. Yet Jacob was the one who was blessed and became Israel, not Esau. Jacob was faithful to God, not Esau.

And then you have Moses, who was so "meek" (actual word used) that God agreed to use his brother to speak for him. Would you view your pastor as masculine if he was afraid to go up on stage and speak? Yet I don't think anyone can dismiss the significance of Moses's leadership. Clearly masculinity is not outward, or if it is, it is irrelevant to serving God effectively as a man. The underlying theme with all three of these people was faith in God over themselves.

So youthfulness, fairness, meekness... typically feminine qualities, used to describe three of the most influential men of the OT.

I haven't done as extensive a study on feminine qualities, but maybe most obvious counters to the "status-quo" would be Esther, Deborah, and Ruth. Again, all of these demonstrated traits opposite the traditional view of womanhood (boldness, leadership, independence).

What we should strive for is faith in God rather than faith in our gender role - whatever that is.
I agree with Lighthearted and Rachel20--maybe others-- you hit it out of the park there!
 

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I'm single however would it be wrong to say that my type is the non girly type. Not that I want some American Gladiator type girl but I would rather date a skater girl over the bubbly wearing sun dresses type lady, that is just me.
 

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You might be thinking about I Samuel 4:9. "Be strong, and quit yourselves like men, O ye Philistines, that ye be not servants unto the Hebrews, as they have been to you: quit yourselves like men, and fight." It was when the Israelites and Philistines were fighting and Israel brought the Ark into the battle, thinking that would bring God Himself into the fight. The Philistines basically said "Oh shoot, we'd better put some effort into this" and they promptly mowed the Israelites down.

Also if you use a bible program (or a concordance if you want to go old school) and search for "effeminate" you will find a few results, and they are never in a good connotation.
Some people accuse me of coming across as seeming a confused, wavering Christian. It does take discipline to realize and seize our true identity in Christ, through reading and understanding scriptures. As Christians, weak or strong, male or female, we are called to defend our faith in Christ to the death, as sons and daughters of God.

The first thing the devil tempted Jesus with in the desert was to question His true identity: "IF YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD..."
AS Christians we are supposed to be "TEAM JESUS," men and women.

Through the storms of life, I remain unshakable in faith, as a faithful man of God, my witness confirmed by powerful earthquakes, one on my birthday, February 4th, 1965 the year I was called to serve the Lord, one September 25th, 2014 just before the re-release of the movie "Left Behind," one prophesied warning quake, January 24th, 2016, a dream of the return of Christ in the mid-80's, and the recent fly-by of the giant asteroid on Superbowl Sunday, also February 4th.

It's God's power that sustains us, as Jesus said: "My strength (power) is perfected through human weakness." As Christians, men and women, sons and daughters of God, we should see ourselves as invincible, each in our own way.
AS a man of God, this is how I see myself these days, and what the sword of truth, symbolically speaking, will do to God's enemies, in Jesus name: (spiritual warfare--not physical combat):

[video=youtube;B4eyDMT705w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4eyDMT705w[/video]

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10 How hard it is to find a capable wife! She is worth far more than jewels!
11 Her husband puts his confidence in her, and he will never be poor.
12 As long as she lives, she does him good and never harm.
13 She keeps herself busy making wool and linen cloth.
14 She brings home food from out-of-the-way places, as merchant ships do.
15 She gets up before daylight to prepare food for her family and to tell her
servant women what to do.
16 She looks at land and buys it, and with money she has earned
she plants a vineyard.
17 She is a hard worker, strong and industrious.
18 She knows the value of everything she makes, and works late
into the night.
19 She spins her own thread and weaves her own cloth.
20 She is generous to the poor and needy.
21 She doesn't worry when it snows, because her family has
warm clothing.
22 She makes bedspreads and wears clothes of fine purple linen.
23 Her husband is well known, one of the leading citizens.
24 She makes clothes and belts, and sells them to merchants.
25 She is strong and respected and not afraid of the future.
26 She speaks with a gentle wisdom.
27 She is always busy and looks after her family's needs.
28 Her children show their appreciation, and her husband praises her.
29 He says, "Many women are good wives, but you are the best of them all."
30 Charm is deceptive and beauty disappears, but a woman who honours
the LORD should be praised.
31 Give her credit for all she does. She deserves the respect of everyone.
Proverbs 31: GNB
 
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I can see that she hates pulling weeds as much as I do.. :rolleyes:
 

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Some people accuse me of coming across as seeming a confused, wavering Christian. It does take discipline to realize and seize our true identity in Christ, through reading and understanding scriptures. As Christians, weak or strong, male or female, we are called to defend our faith in Christ to the death, as sons and daughters of God.

The first thing the devil tempted Jesus with in the desert was to question His true identity: "IF YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD..."
AS Christians we are supposed to be "TEAM JESUS," men and women.

Through the storms of life, I remain unshakable in faith, as a faithful man of God, my witness confirmed by powerful earthquakes, one on my birthday, February 4th, 1965 the year I was called to serve the Lord, one September 25th, 2014 just before the re-release of the movie "Left Behind," one prophesied warning quake, January 24th, 2016, a dream of the return of Christ in the mid-80's, and the recent fly-by of the giant asteroid on Superbowl Sunday, also February 4th.

It's God's power that sustains us, as Jesus said: "My strength (power) is perfected through human weakness." As Christians, men and women, sons and daughters of God, we should see ourselves as invincible, each in our own way.
AS a man of God, this is how I see myself these days, and what the sword of truth, symbolically speaking, will do to God's enemies, in Jesus name: (spiritual warfare--not physical combat):

[video=youtube;B4eyDMT705w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4eyDMT705w[/video]

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You used a clip from a movie where your hero is committing adultery with the kings wife.
 

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Real Men Love Jesus

3 According as his divine power has given unto us all things
that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him
that has called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious
promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue;
and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience;
and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that
ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of
our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Peter 1:

Virtue - G703 aretē
From the same as G730; properly manliness (valour),
that is, excellence (intrinsic or attributed): - praise, virtue.


[h=2]Virtue[/h]

Virtue is moral excellence. A virtue is a positive trait or quality
deemed to be morally good and thus is valued as a foundation
of principle and good moral being.
Such as: integrity, honesty, faithfulness, love, kindness to others ...
Personal virtues are characteristics valued as promoting collective
and individual wellbeing and happiness.
The opposite of virtue is vice.




This is the challenge unto all Christian men and boys.
 

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I think that there is much confusion about worldly social norms
about maleness and the female roles in society.

Sure there is biology and this determines differences.
But much of being male and female is the product of a sinful
world and a sinful economy and of war and violence.
Men with guns and swords or adept at kung fu.

Christian men must live in the world and partake of the economy
and take on their roles in family life in respect to being husbands
and fathers.
But Christian boys and men ought to learn of love, kindness, generosity,
self control, Godly wisdom, faithfulness, integrity, honesty, one's word
being their bond - discipline when needed but in love.

Men and women are free to arrange their working roles as suit themselves.
Both my parents worked hard in the family business - a bread bakery.

But the Bible teaches us all that men and women need to be partners
together in marriage and in virtuous living.
Who washes the dishes should not become a salvation issue.
 
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Of course this going to confuse the issue



I understand the middle one perfectly.

Its for monks who who have been shot in the head with an arrow, who like setting
off fireworks! :D
 

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I am Solomon , been dating this girl for 6 years now , everything seems to be going on well in the first 5 years , it all started recently when she relocated and everything changed, she met this new guy she called her friend , to cut it all short one lonely night she called to tell me she' it's all she doesn't love me anymore she wants to be with this new guy , it sounds ridiculous tho , because I never thought she could do such being a very dedicated Christian girl...
it really hurt and now I am trying to get over it but it's pretty hard .. am so confused what could I have done wrong and she' wouldn't even give me any reason ....

You were dating for six years? You never got around to marrying?
 

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You used a clip from a movie where your hero is committing adultery with the kings wife.
That did cause him a bit of trouble didn't it? (Lancelot). And, it wasn't adultery, just a kiss-- but, same idea. I wanted to counter the image of being weak in faith (even though I can barely lift that two-edged, non-sharpened decorative sword). Betrayal of the King was high treason, and he was about to put both of them to death. He made a good point though-- to the queen: that with her will, she chose the king, but her heart chose the knight."

It's a good lesson: If we only love God with our will, but not our whole heart, it's not enough.

The movie, "First Knight," had it's critics, but I liked it. It had a lot of good ideas about the battle between good and evil, and memorable lines like the king to Lancelot: "a man that fears nothing, loves nothing." And the delusional blindness of evil where the evil fallen knight Maligant (also symbolic of fallen lucifer) tells the people to reject "King Arthur's evil god." I don't normally watch war scenes, but, they toned it down quite a bit, even though it is still a violent scene. But, sometimes in this amazing, but crazy world, there are evil dudes that won't change, and war can be necessary. Don't like violence, but, when I watched this a couple years ago, I cheered when Lancelot took out Maligant.

I have watched a few war movies and "Memphis Belle," is an inspiring one where after young and very scared crew had flown safely through all the artillery "flack" blowing apart their plane, and the target (a factory, not a city at least), was clouded over, they cheered because they thought they were going home. But, the Captain turned the plane around, and said that they were sent to stop a factory from producing weapons (destroy it), and, "if we don't do it, someone else will have to come and risk their lives to do it."

Others are more difficult to sit through. I don't know why I stayed, but, I wept all the way through a more recent war movie that showed the horrors of modern combat.

Same concept in the movie, "The Wrath of Khan," (Star Trek II). All the guy did was go around killing people and destroying things, and, in the end, he symbolically represented the devil, and Captain Kirk defeated him.

In real history, Jesus defeated the devil, from the first confrontation with that face of evil in the desert, using the Word of God as a sword, to the last, in the Garden of Gethsemane and Roman execution/crucifixion, allowing the powers of evil to think they were killing Him, when in their crazed and blinded delusions, they defeated themselves by their own hand.

Jesus also knew that in this world, the meek must be defended and protected, until we all inherit the earth, sooner than later, and He made a point of commending virtuous Roman officers and commanders, and even made a reference to kings planning a war, but suggested they try to mediate disputes, and warned that those who take up the sword, or maybe He meant, those who rely on the sword alone for defense against evil threats, or who are not authorized to use deadly force, or who use weapons for evil purposes, such as Islamic militants, or those who use weapons against innocent citizens, "will be defeated by the sword. When it comes to spiritual warfare, though, He said that Christians would be given words that can not be defeated, or the sword of truth. I believe this applies to other areas besides the written word, such as "all things work together for good, for those who love God, and are called according to His purpose." (Romans 8:28).
 
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HeraldtheNews

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I understand the middle one perfectly.

Its for monks who who have been shot in the head with an arrow, who like setting
off fireworks! :D
no. it's for the devil, a confused bi-sexual, and author of confusion in the world.
But, this is not to judge people who have been deceived by deceiving spirits. We all have issues--