Does the Bible claim to be inerrant?
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"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us," (Luke 1:1)
Is there anything that is not true in how this verse?
There is nothing untrue there; but it is NOT an accurate translation of Luke 1:1
There are 1000 paces or about 3000 British feet in a Roman mile. This is also perfectly true but it isn't a translation of Luke 1:1 either.
You are a smart person. Surely you can figure out how something can be true but an inaccurate interpretation of what was written? I will give you an example. Say I wrote, "I walked a mile to school, and a mile home from school, every day, twice a day," and someone interpreted it to say, "I walked four miles every day to school and back." That second statement is true according to what I wrote, but it is not an accurate interpretation of what I originally wrote.
If instead of believed the KJV had 'a Roman Mile is 1000 paces', would you accept that as an accurate translation just because it is true? There are more true statements than you or I could count in ten lifetimes but they do not all translate Luke 1:1.
You are right, new manuscripts are being found and examined.
I think its not even in NA 28.
No translator translates just from one manuscript (Vaticanus or Sinaiticus), but mostly from the NA text.
Consider this invented scenario as an example:
Fact Mr Trump drank coffee with breakfast.
In the U.N. general Assambly the speaker said " I can't accept that"
The translator said "Mr. Trump drank coffee with breakfast.
The statement is undenyably true but it is NOT an accurate translation.
You can believe that psalm 69 is prophetically speaking of Jesus. When I read it it sounds like David asking for vengeance against those who go against him, not Him. Jesus never was given gall to eat and He asked for forgiveness against those who tortured Him, not retribution. He never asked for deliverance from his enemies, he went as a lamb to the slaughter. The only similarity is vinegar to drink, which might have been a cruel prank in the day. Also regarding the word (logos) that endures forever, is this the same logos that was in the beginning that was with God (theos), and was God (theos)? Do you think Peter was talking about the Bible? The second psalm could have been him writing a song inspired by the prophets.
This is why there is no point debating scripture. You take written words taught to you interpreted one way, and I take the same words and interpret them differently. If you read the whole chapter of 1 Peter 1, instead of fractions you would see the message Peter delivered. We are to love, obey the truth through the Spirit and be born again through the Word of God that lives forever. This in my opinion is obedience to Christ not validation of the Bible. For the record I don’t believe the pope wrote the Bible. It was put together by people who were under the authority of the Roman Church. What was selected, what was omitted and how it is interpreted for the most part has been by offices driven by political ambition. Reformation and some of the subsequent faiths or divisions are the result (in some cases) of Spirit led individuals realizing everything taught by the Church isn’t Christianity. It is not my intension to further bring division into the Body of Christ, just to challenge others to read scripture as it is written. The Spirit opens eyes and will teach you, don’t trust man. Scripture to the Christian life, is like the rules are to a board game. The point of the game isn’t to contest the rules. Too many people who label themselves followers are more focussed on rules rather than strategy.
It was "the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Peter 1:25)
But this is a dead end discussion because it is obvious you reject what the Bible says!
It’s a dead end discussion because you choose to use half of the verses you want to make them say what you want them to say. Read the first half of that verse. Stating I reject what the Bible says, just indicates your lack of interest in admitting you might be wrong.
I already quoted both verses yesterday and you have been refuted by the what the word of God says.
What did Jesus say about Psalm 69?
"[FONT="]But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause." (John 15:25)
[/FONT]"[FONT="]They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away." (Psalm 69:4)
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I just quoted Bible verses so the words speak for themselves. You on the other hand are a private interpreter so let us hear what Peter has to say about that!
"[FONT="]Knowing this first, that no [/FONT]prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (1 Peter 1:20)
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"[FONT="]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23
[/FONT]The "word of God" here is lower case and is likened unto seed!
Concerning the Parable of the Sower Jesus said "[FONT="]The sower soweth the word." (Mark 4:14)
It is the written word or that which is heard that is sown not "the Word."
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The thing is that our suppositions and opinions do not count for much. What does the Bible say?
Why don't you take up your own challenge because it is clear that you have a problem with reading "scripture as it is written!"
Authorized Version said:
First I refer to the Authorized Version above.
The word “declaration” refers to Luke’s gospel as both a legal testament and a proclamation.
The phrase ‘even as they delivered them unto us’ means that the things which are most surely believed among us, were things delivered to the group ‘us.’
In the context of a declaration; the phrase ‘even as they delivered them unto us’ refers to testimonies provided by witnesses having been given to a council of, eyewitnesses and ministers of the word of God, that received those testimonies “even as” they were delivered to them by the witnesses, (meaning that the council recorded the testimonies of those witnesses without altering them in any way).
That is how certainty was assured.
By council I refer to them whom Luke was associated in gathering the gospel record.
Corrupt modern version said:
The corrupt text above is proven corrupt in that it refers to things ‘fulfilled’ as being things that were delivered.
But, fulfilled things can’t be delivered because those are things done.
Witnesses deliver testimony.
Things fulfilled are not carried about.
There are other problems in the corrupt sentence.
The corruptors present the nonsense phrase “having accurately followed after all things from above” because, since they intentionally ruined the idea of the Gospel of Luke being the testimony of witnesses, the corrupters were then forced to provide some means of providing the certainty Luke aimed at. So, they claim the certainty is provided by Luke alone, based on his personal accuracy in all things from above.
But the word of one man can’t produce historical certainty.
Only the legal witness of many can.
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