The Rapture

[DiscipleDave]

I'm sorry but they did not repeat the Gospel of Jesus Christ because he had not at that time been crucified and raised from the dead. They Said and recognized his Devine Position as God's Messiah and his Being the Son of God, as the Holy One of God. They Recognized his Divinity not what he did to save mankind. This is their test to see if they are of God or not because this is the work of God that men should believe on Jesus Christ through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You are correct.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

When you die you are immediately in the presence of God and are being judged. If you are Christian Jesus will be there to intercede for you. If he is not, you are in BIG Trouble!

Where is this written? Scriptures plainly teach there is ONLY One Judgment Day, and that day is NOT the time of death of a person. Judgment Day, when Jesus Returns to the Earth the second Time, is the ONLY DAY that determines who will and who will not go to Heaven or to Hell? On that specific Day is when the Books are opened and if your name is found in the Book of Life, ON THAT DAY, it is on that Day that you are judged to go to Heaven.

There is no Scriptures that teach when a person dies they immediately go to Heaven or that they immediately go to Hell. If that was the case then Judgment Day is at the time of death of a person. This is a false doctrine, and is not True nor is it Scriptural.

Judgment Day is the ONLY Day that determines who is going to Heaven and who is not. On That DAY, is when the dead are then Judged, and those who are sleeping IN CHRIST are then at that DAY risen to be with Jesus where He is. The rest of the dead are not risen for battle until after the millennial Period is over.

Scriptures PLAINLY teaches what Day determines if a person goes to Heaven or not, and that is Judgment Day, The Day of the Lord, the Rapture. satan falsely teaches that a person goes to Heaven when they die, this is not taught anywhere in Scriptures.

The Great White Throne Judgement is for all of those who rejected Jesus in this life. You don't want to be in that resurrection.

The Great White Throne Judgment is to judge satan, demons, all those who rejected Jesus, Unsaved, and the "goat" christians, whose names were once written in the Book of Life, but have been blotted out of the Book of Life.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

. .. . . . . At this point in time NO ONE knows what the prophecies mean.. . . . . . . . . . .

Try me.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

.. .. . .. . . Where is Jesus on the throne here on earth as prophecied?

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the Holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

This has not yet happened. New Heaven and New Earth, is yet to happen. No more oceans, is yet to happen. The Holy City New Jerusalem has not come down from Heaven yet, it is yet to happen. Read on concerning the Holy City, and you learn that the Throne of God is inside of the Holy City, which will one day be on the Earth. This is yet to happen.


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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

.. .. .. .. .I assure you, that I do have all the details correct. .. .. . .. . . . . .

You do not have ALL the details correct. Sure you think you do, but you don't. i don't have ALL the details either.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

If you find them in error, that is your free will to feel that way. But everything that I claim is accompanied by scripture.

This is simply not the TRUTH. You claim many things that are NOT accompanied by Scriptures.

You claim that the Holy City Jerusalem comes down AFTER the 7 year Tribulations Period, the millennial Period, and the Great White Throne Judgment. This is but one of MANY things you teach which are NOT accompanied by Scriptures. You have boat load of opinions what you think is going to happen, which are NOT accompanied by Scriptures. Therefore you saying the above that EVERYTHING that you claim is accompanied by Scriptures is a lie and is not the TRUTH.

I don't make claims unless I have all the details.

details that YOU claim to be True, correct? You make many claims that i say is opinions. You make those claims because you derive details from your own understanding, your own intellect, then pass those off as TRUTH. So then the details are what YOU claim to be True. Does not make them True, just because YOU think they are.

I live in the book of Revelation and end-time events, as well as the rest of the word of God. There is not one teaching that I have presented that you can deny scripturally. If you think that you can, please make your case and I will prove you wrong with scripture.

lol, you do not prove me wrong with Scriptures, but you try to prove me wrong with your interpretations of Scriptures. For example you believe the Church is not present for this or that, based on your interpretations that since the Church is not mentioned then that must mean it is not present at that time, and many more such things you do. i hear you saying all the time, when i ask for Scriptures to back up something you say, i hear you always giving me your opinion on what you think the Scriptures means. You base what you believe on your own interpretations. Which you altogether fail to understand this simple TRUTH. Interpretations belong to God, NOT TO MEN. So you took it upon yourself to try to interpret the Word of God via your own means, your own studies, your own intellect, then try to pass off what YOU came up with as TRUTH.
What i teach is what God told me.
What you teach is what YOU told yourself.

I proclaim the word of God, nothing else.

If you proclaimed the Word of God, then you would not be proclaiming your opinions now would you?

i am not saying you are not intelligent, on the contrary, i think you are highly intelligent. i just believe you have this vision of what you think is the TRUTH based on your OWN opinions of what you interpreted the Word of God to mean based on your own interpretations.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by Ahwatukee

If you find them in error, that is your free will to feel that way. But everything that I claim is accompanied by scripture. I don't make claims unless I have all the details. I live in the book of Revelation and end-time events, as well as the rest of the word of God. There is not one teaching that I have presented that you can deny scripturally. If you think that you can, please make your case and I will prove you wrong with scripture. I proclaim the word of God, nothing else. So please give me an example of what you find laughable.

Who exactly are the 144,000. Support with Scripture.
What exactly id the mark of the beast. Support with Scripture.

Those are but a couple of MANY things he teaches, that are his opinions and not backed by Scriptures. i think he actually thinks that all the things he teaches is backed up by Scriptures, but they are NOT, what he teaches are backed up by his interpretations, his opinions of what the Word of God teaches. Many people have told him over and over again, to back up what he is teaching with Scriptures, and most of the time, he comes back with his interpretation of the Scriptures, and not Scriptures.

Tom says "A thousand days to man is but one day to God"
Tina replies "Can you back that up with Scriptures.

Then Tom uses Scriptures:

Psa_90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Did you notice Tom did not use anything other than Scriptures themselves to back up what he was teaching.

Ahwatukee says " The Holy City comes down AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment"

Discipledave asks, "Can you show any Scriptures that back that up"

Then Ahwatukee replies with NO SCRIPTURES at all, but goes into great detail how he THINKS it MUST comes after the Great White Throne Judgment, and gives others verses to support his own interpretation of what he believes MUST happen. And in no way whatsoever give any Scriptures to back it up. And then worse yet, in latter posts, replies "I have given you Scriptures many times, but i will give them to you again" And AGAIN, gives NO Scriptures that teach the Holy City comes AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment. But again, gives his reasoning why he THINKS the Holy City Comes After.

Then he says "It MUST come after because it has to come after the end of the age" Then i will ask Him, what verse teaches that, and again, NO SCRIPTURES given, but what i do get is his interpretations, his opinions, his ideals, but NO SCRIPTURES. And now he is saying that everything he teaches is accompanied by Scriptures. That is NOT TRUE, Everything he teaches is accompanied by his own opinions, that is most certainly True. i am not saying all this to attack him, i'm really not trying to do that, only revealing what i know to be TRUE. maybe he will opened his eyes and see.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Who the 144,000 are is very easy to understand, or should be anyway, for scripture is very clear on this.

If Scriptures are very clear on this, then it would not be such a controversy who they are? If Scriptures were clear on this, it would plainly and clearly say "The 144,000 are MEN" It would plainly and clearly tell us who they are EXACTLY. But because Scriptures are NOT clear on this, that is why it is a topic being discussed.

According Rev.7:1-8 and 14:1-5, this group will be 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes, minus Dan, who come out of unbelieving Israel as those who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and who will be sealed in their foreheads with the seal of God. They are referred to as the "first fruits" and are those who will not have defiled themselves with women, which infers that they are all adult males. Here are the scriptures:

So YOUR opinion is that they are all Adult Males? Does Scriptures say they are Adult Males? The answer is NO. Do you say they are Adult Males? That answer is yes. Now if you teach they are Adult Males, and someone asks you to show them Scriptures to back up that they are MALE, you can't do that can you? Because Scriptures does not teach they are Adult Males, that is something that you interpret Scriptures to mean, therefore you even say it above, that INFERS, that is to say, you are guessing, it is your opinion, it is your interpretations that they are Adult Males.

So everything you mentioned above is what Scriptures teach, EXCEPT when you added the statement "Which infers they are Adult Males" Then you have ADDED Your own opinions. This is what i try to address all the time with you.

i even remember having a conversation with you concerning that verse. Remember i asked you if it was a sin for a woman to lust after a man? Scriptures plainly teach if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, that is a sin. i asked you, if the word used "woman" meant ONLY WOMEN? Do you see that? Woman can mean men, children, or even animals. He that endures to the end shall be Saved. Does that mean that verse does not apply to women? It did not say She that endures to the end shall be Saved. So then the word "He" can also be applied to She as well.
i even brought it to your attention, the statement "and these are they that are not defiled with women" Could apply to women as well. i even asked you "Are you saying a woman can't be defiled by a woman?" You are assuming they are Adult men, because of that statement, that you are most certainly misinterpreting. You say adult, how do you come up with they are Adult?. Can children be defiled by someone? Yes they can be. So it is your assumption, your interpretation that the 144,000 are Adult Men, when Scriptures does NOT teach that, YOU DO, based on your won interpretations of that verse, which is wrong. God revealed to me the 144,000 are children. Those children have not been defiled by women, they are virgins. Can i say that Scriptures backs up that they are children? NO more than you can back up that they are Adult Men. But i know what God revealed to me is TRUE and is from God. They are children that make it through the 7 year Tribulation Period, protected by Angels of God.

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DiscipleDave

 

[Nehemiah6]

If Scriptures are very clear on this, then it would not be such a controversy who they are?

The controversy exists because some prefer to apply fanciful interpretations to plain Bible truth.

If Scriptures were clear on this, it would plainly and clearly say "The 144,000 are MEN" It would plainly and clearly tell us who they are EXACTLY. But because Scriptures are NOT clear on this, that is why it is a topic being discussed.

The Bible does NOT have to say "The 144,000 are MEN". That they are clearly men is indicated thus: These are they which were not defiled with women.

Since homosexuality is a sin and these men are servants of God, only men could defile themselves with women. And that word "defiled" is more of an application to the fact that they are "virgins" (having had no sexual intercourse) rather than legitimate sexual intercourse within marriage which is not defiling.

So YOUR opinion is that they are all Adult Males? Does Scriptures say they are Adult Males?

How can that be an opinion? Children would not be those who could defile themselves with women, therefore they are ADULT males.

The fact is that these 144,000 are misrepresented over and over again by those trying to avoid the fact that they are actually men from each of the tribes of Israel -- 12,000 from each of 12 tribes. That is as plain as day. We are not told how God can distinguish and establish those 12 tribes in the future, but with God nothing is impossible, so it is purely UNBELIEF that tries to make these Hebrew men into something other than what God says.

 

[DiscipleDave]

In other post you refer to the 144,000 as the male child. Why did you not include that this time. Where is your Scripture proof of the 144,000 being the male child?

Where is your Scripture prof that the mark is an implanted chip.

This is proof that you often give opinion as Bible facts.

i agree, not saying that his opinions are wrong or right. But he often says something as a Bible Fact, which is NOT a Bible Fact, but is a Fact in his own mind, his own opinions.

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DiscipleDave

 

[PlainWord]

Why assume, just ask me if that is what i believe, instead of assuming that i believe this way or that way. Do you like it when people assume something about you? Or would you rather they ask you if that is what you believe instead of assuming they believe this or that?

No, i do not believe the Beast was Nero. I believe the Beast the Bible refers to is yet to come. And i believe satan has people believing that Beast was Nero, so they will not be looking for another one to come, Hence the reason i suggested studying Duel Prophesies.

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DiscipleDave

Rather than getting offended, please re-read what I asked you. I wrote:

Can I assume from your response...

I did not make any assumptions about your beliefs, rather I asked you if I could make assumptions to which you could have simply replied, "no." So, now you've stated that the Beast of Rev 13 is future and you went as far to say that Satan has put the idea of Nero as the Beast into people's minds to deceive them. Hmm, is it possible you have it backwards?

What if the Beast was Rome led by Nero (which it was) and you instead think all this evil is coming in the future, although it is hard to imagine a man more evil than Nero as far as pure evil goes. Maybe there will be a man equally as evil but with better weapons? Was Hitler as evil as Nero? Was Mao? Was Stalin? Is Putin as evil? There will always be evil men, brother Dave, as history is loaded with them.

Maybe Satan has deceived you into thinking a terrible world-wide great tribulation is coming so that you waste time storing up food and supplies, building bunkers, etc instead of doing more important things? We are told not to worry about such things and that God will provide. Ever think that maybe you are the one who is wrong? If not, perhaps it's time.

 

[PlainWord]

DD,

Where is this written? Scriptures plainly teach there is ONLY One Judgment Day, and that day is NOT the time of death of a person. Judgment Day, when Jesus Returns to the Earth the second Time, is the ONLY DAY that determines who will and who will not go to Heaven or to Hell? On that specific Day is when the Books are opened and if your name is found in the Book of Life, ON THAT DAY, it is on that Day that you are judged to go to Heaven.

There is no Scriptures that teach when a person dies they immediately go to Heaven or that they immediately go to Hell. If that was the case then Judgment Day is at the time of death of a person. This is a false doctrine, and is not True nor is it Scriptural.

Guess you never read Heb 9:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment...

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[DiscipleDave]

I did not mention it because you were having problems with understanding the baser things. But since asked, the woman gives birth to a male child and is "caught up" to God and His throne.

=Scriptural.

The reference to the woman giving birth to a male child, is referring to the 144,000 coming out of Israel who in opposition to unbelieving Israel, will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.

= Your Opinion.

Another clue in supporting this, is that in Rev.14:4, the 144,000 are said to have not defiled themselves with women,

= Scriptural

which would infer that these are 144,000 male adults, ergo, the male child.

= Your Opinion.

In addition, the scripture states that the dragon/Satan is waiting to devour the child as soon as it is born, but the male child is caught up before the dragon/Satan can devour it.

= Scriptural

That said, Jesus does not fit this criterial, for He was crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to God's right hand.

= Your Opinion.

The male child is "caught up" which is the same word "Harpazo" used to describe the living church being caught up to meet Christ in the air.

= Your Opinion

It is also the same word used by Paul when he was "caught up" to the third heaven.

= Your Opinion.

And it is the same word used when Philip was "snatched away" from the eunuch.

= Your Opinion.

During the middle of the seven years, the male child will be "caught up" to God's throne without harm, where Jesus was crucified.

= Your Opinion.

Jesus is not the male child.

= Your Opinion.

Where is your Scripture prof that the mark is an implanted chip.

There isn't any Scriptural Proof that the mark is an implanted chip. Therefore the mark is debated about what it could be.

Well, let's see. The scripture states that it will go in/on the hand or the forehead.

= Scriptural.

Currently, the RFID chip is being implanted under the skin of the hand and one of its purposes is to make purchases.

= Opinion.

So far we are 2 for 2. I am sure that as time goes on that the technology for the RFID chip will evolve into something more applicable leading up to the revealing of hat antichrist.

= Opinion.

However, what will remain consistent, is that whatever the device ends up being, it will still go in/on the hand or the forehead

= Scriptural

and will be used to electronically credit and debit a persons bank account, in the same way that it is being done with card swiping and cell phone bank apps.

= Your Opinion.

When I first came to Christ, I was drawn to the book of Revelation and the study of end-time events. When the first ATM's came out, I knew that this technology was relevant to the coming mark. Then I witnessed the next stage, which was the Universal Produce Code (UPC), then came the Point of Sale system (POS) and now for the last couple of years, starting in Sweden, people at companies have been receiving RFID chip implants which perform different functions, one of which is electronic crediting and debiting. And now, that technology is here in the US with a company also offering their employees implants to make electronic purchases within the company.

= Your Opinion.

I am confident that very soon, we will begin to see people paying for their products and services by having their hands scanned for electronic crediting and debiting.

= Your Opinion.

It's just a matter of time before this technology spreads throughout the world.

= Your Opinion.

People are even proud to receive them!

= Your Opinion.

The way in which the false prophet "forces" all to receive that mark,

The first 3 1/2 years of the Mark of the Beast is when the False prophet deceives them into taking it.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The first 3 1/2 half years of the Mark of the Beast it is optional and they are NOT forced to take it, he tricks people into taking it. However the last 3 1/2 years of the Mark of the Beast, he forces people to take it.

will be because at that time all the other methods of buying and selling of any kind will become obsolete, leaving only that mark. It will force the inhabitants to either receive it or reject it. The problem is that, without it no one will be able to make any purchases. In fact, without that mark, no one will be able to have a job, pay their bills, buy food or anything else.

Scriptures teach that those who have the mark will not be able to buy and sell. How that is done, or what that entails = Your Opinion

You keep saying that this is my opinion, which it is not.

Most of what you say is indeed YOUR opinion. see all those above. Please don't misunderstand me. i am not saying your opinion is right or wrong. Matters of fact on this topic i agree with many of your opinions concerning the Mark of the Beast. But what i am trying to point out to you, which you seem to not understand, is that most of what you teach is YOUR OPINION, and not what Scriptures actually teaches.

i teach that the 144,000 are children. Does Scriptures back that up? NOPE. Now can i interpret verses to support that? Yes. But to say and teach that the 144,000 are children is Scriptural, is a lie. Which you seem to do just that all the time. You state something that is YOUR OPINION and then say it is Scriptural, which it is NOT. That is my point to you concerning all this.

I

'm simply connecting the dots,

Which is solely based on YOUR OPINIONS.

while everyone else discredits what the Spirit has made known to me through the study of His word.

The problem is that you think it is the spirit that is making it known to you, when in Truth it is You making it known to YOU, based solely on your interpretations of the Word of God.

If you don't believe me, just keep on watching, because as I said, very soon we are going to be seeing people begin to pay for their products by having their hand scanned, replacing card swiping and cell phone bank apps and whatever else is being used. So, don't believe me, just keep watching and then think back on all that I have said.

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This is your opinion how it is all going to go down. Which i happen to agree with this opinion. Scriptures teach the mark will go on the right hand or forehead, that is Scriptural. Scriptures teach that you can buy and sell with the Mark, that is also Scriptural. Now i can add my opinion to farther that by saying How this is going to happen, how it is going to go down, What we can see or not see, but in Truth all of that is my opinion.

I have nothing against you or anyone on this forum, but it is just frustrating to know the truth of these end-time prophesies, but no one believes them, even when it is happening right before their very eyes.

i understand this frustration, i have dealt with it my whole life. God tells me many things that is going to happen, and people do not believe it. And What God told me does not contradict one solitary verse in all of Scriptures. But people still do not believe the TRUTH that God told me is going to Happen, very frustrating indeed.

Tell me who would be more frustrated me or you?

You teach Truths that you have come up with your own self, and people do not believe you.
i teach Truths that God Himself told me, and people do not believe me?

You: you being human are fallible and can make many mistakes.
me: me hearing from God who is infallable and it is not possible for Him to be wrong.

You: Think you know the TRUTH based on your own studies.
me: Know the TRUTH based on what God told me.

Yes, my friend, i all to well know and understand this frustration that you are talking about.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

If you go back and read my previous post, you will see that I gave you scriptural proof regarding the male child being a collective name representing the 144,000. I really hate it when I give scriptural proof and then someone comes back and says that I didn't.

That is because you are NOT giving Scriptural Proofs Brother, but you are giving us YOUR OPINIONS of what you think the Scriptural Proof is. So intelligent but can't figure out why EVERYONE is saying you are not giving them Scriptural Proof, when you think that you are. kind of like that statement "Book smart, but not common sense smart"
If Everyone is asking you give Scriptural proof to back up something you teach, and then you give them what YOU THINK is Scriptural Proof, and they then respond "That is not Scriptural Proof", it would seem to me, you should question what YOU THINK is your Scriptural Proof. Because what you give is your opinions about what you THINK is Scriptural Proof.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

If Scriptures are very clear on this, then it would not be such a controversy who they are?

The controversy exists because some prefer to apply fanciful interpretations to plain Bible truth.

Amen.

DiscipleDave said :If Scriptures were clear on this, it would plainly and clearly say "The 144,000 are MEN" It would plainly and clearly tell us who they are EXACTLY. But because Scriptures are NOT clear on this, that is why it is a topic being discussed.

The Bible does NOT have to say "The 144,000 are MEN".

The Bible doesn't say the 144,000 are MEN. That is my point exactly.

That they are clearly men is indicated thus: These are they which were not defiled with women.

But that does not say They are MEN, now does it, as i said before, Scriptures DOES NOT clearly say they are MEN, which is a TRUE statement. Now if you want to interpret that verse this way or that way, then that intepretation is YOUR OPINION, correct?

Since homosexuality is a sin and these men are servants of God, only men could defile themselves with women.

Only men could defile themselves with women? Really. A man can't possibly defile himself with a man?

And that word "defiled" is more of an application to the fact that they are "virgins" (having had no sexual intercourse) rather than legitimate sexual intercourse within marriage which is not defiling.

i agree with your opinion on that matter. Just because it says they were not defiled with women, is merely a statement saying they are virgins.

So YOUR opinion is that they are all Adult Males? Does Scriptures say they are Adult Males?

How can that be an opinion?

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. That is Scriptural. Now ANY interpretation of that verse is the opinion of the person interpreting it.


These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.

Can children be defiled with women? Yes.
Can women be defiled with women? Yes
Can men be defiled with women? Yes

To automatically interpret this verse to mean MEN ONLY is indeed YOUR OPINION, YOUR INTERPRETATION of that verse. Scriptures plainly says what it says above. it does NOT say they are MEN ONLY. Which is my point.

Children would not be those who could defile themselves with women, therefore they are ADULT males.

YOUR OPINION. how many children are defiled by women? Are you saying there are no female adult sex offenders? Really? Were those children defiled with women? Yes they were, know you not what times you live in?

The fact is that these 144,000 are misrepresented over and over again by those trying to avoid the fact that they are actually men from each of the tribes of Israel -- 12,000 from each of 12 tribes.

Are you not interpreting that above verse to mean MEN, and therefore by your interpretations you say they are MEN? And then you claim that your interpretation is FACT.

That is as plain as day. We are not told how God can distinguish and establish those 12 tribes in the future, but with God nothing is impossible, so it is purely UNBELIEF that tries to make these Hebrew men into something other than what God says.

God says, they are not defiled with women, and that they are virgins. Are YOU not the one trying to make them into MEN ONLY? Are you not trying to make all those 144,000 chosen by God as being MEN only? What? God will not choose WOMEN? What? Women are not worthy to be chosen by God? You do error not understanding the Truth concerning this matter.

Tell me, if you will answer me. Is it adultery for a woman to look upon a man to lust after him? Scriptures only says it is only adultery to lust upon a woman.

Mat_5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So then i guess "woman" there can ONLY mean Women right? Therefore it is not adultery for a woman to look on a man to lust after him, has NOT committed adultery. Because this verse plainly and clearly teaches that it is ONLY those who look upon a WOMAN to lust after her is the ONLY ONES who is committing adultery? Does anyone else see the ignorance in this logic? Woman can mean men as well.

We read the verse that says "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins." And that can't possibly mean anything OTHER than WOMEN ONLY.

But then we look on this verse that says "That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her" We know that "Woman" means whosoever looketh upon anyone to lust after them commits adultery. Hypocrites this generation is not devoid of.

God revealed to me, that the 144,000 are children that are Not Raptured up with Jesus, that are sealed, protected during the 7 year Tribulation Period.

Tell me. If the 144,000 are all MEN, what are they to do? Why are they chosen?

There is ONLY one way to get to Heaven, and that is by having your name written in the Book of Life. Your name is written in the Book of Life the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord. During the Rapture, that Day of the Lord, children are NOT taken up with Him, their names have not been written in the Book of Life. Scriptures are clear there is only ONE WAY, it does not say nor teach that children are exempt from the ONLY WAY. 144,000 children (boys AND GIRLS who were not defiled with women, for they are all virgins) will be sealed by God, He is redeeming those children to Himself, to repopulate the Earth during His 1,000 year reign on the Earth during the time satan is bound.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

During the 7 year Tribulation Period is when the Heaven and the Earth is remade into this New atmosphere and New Earth, oceans are gone, islands and mountains are gone, all this happens during the 7 year Tribulation Period. Read the rest of Isa 65: 17-25 describing the time of the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth.
Notice verse 20 which indicates sinners are still present. Which they are. When Christ comes back and Raptures the Church to be with Him where He is, which is in the New City Jerusalem, ON EARTH. For the next 3 1/2 years of His reign sinners are present, that is what the 7 last vials purpose is for, to wipe out the remaining (left behind) from off the planet Earth, then satan is bound for a thousand years, and His Kingdom on Earth will be like that of the Garden of Eden. And the 144,000 children that make it through the entire 7 year Tribulation Period will repopulate the Earth, that they have sex (male and female) we see that in verse 23 saying these will have OFFSPRING. So the 144,000 can't be all MEN now can they, else how are do they have offspring.

And who are they that Isaiah talks about in Chapter 65 verses 17-25 If they are not the 144,000 firstfruits of God, the 144,000 REDEEMED from the Earth. They can't be the Saints they are Raptured, and no longer Human, but are in their Glorified bodies, so then who are these that Isaiah is talking about? God revealed to me, they are indeed the 144,000 who are sealed and protected during the entire 7 year Tribulation Period, and they repopulate the Earth and shall live extremely long lives again, like that of prior to the flood.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by PlainWord

Can I assume from your response that you agree the Beast in Rev 13 was Nero but we can expect another Nero in the future? What passage tells of the next Nero?

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Why assume, just ask me if that is what i believe, instead of assuming that i believe this way or that way. Do you like it when people assume something about you? Or would you rather they ask you if that is what you believe instead of assuming they believe this or that?

No, i do not believe the Beast was Nero. I believe the Beast the Bible refers to is yet to come. And i believe satan has people believing that Beast was Nero, so they will not be looking for another one to come, Hence the reason i suggested studying Duel Prophesies.

Rather than getting offended, please re-read what I asked you. I wrote:

Can I assume from your response...

I did not make any assumptions about your beliefs,

Originally Posted by PlainWord

Can I assume from your response that you agree the Beast in Rev 13 was Nero but we can expect another Nero in the future? What passage tells of the next Nero?

and yet you did ASSUME that i believed the Beast of Rev 13 was Nero. Which Assumption is wrong. Oh, and i was not offended by it at all, really. Only trying to help you realize that making assumptions might cause others to be offended, when it could have been avoided by merely asking them if that is what they believe.

rather I asked you if I could make assumptions to which you could have simply replied, "no."

No to your assumption that i believed the Beast of Rev 13 is Nero.

So, now you've stated that the Beast of Rev 13 is future and you went as far to say that Satan has put the idea of Nero as the Beast into people's minds to deceive them. Hmm, is it possible you have it backwards?

No.

What if the Beast was Rome led by Nero (which it was) and you instead think all this evil is coming in the future, although it is hard to imagine a man more evil than Nero as far as pure evil goes.

lol, Hitler. He was considered to be the antichrist, and fits into a lot of prophesies as well.

Maybe there will be a man equally as evil but with better weapons? Was Hitler as evil as Nero? Was Mao? Was Stalin? Is Putin as evil? There will always be evil men, brother Dave, as history is loaded with them.

True. But none of those you mentioned will cause a great falling away. The antichrist will one day be on TV and say "Where is your God now?" And this will cause a great falling away from ALL FAITHS of the world, not just Christianity. The Muslims will believe he is their Messiah. The Jews will believe his is the coming Messiah. He will do many great things that all the inhabitants of the world will marvel at him. He will cause ALL religions to cease, and they will be banned. He will be all about coming together as humans, putting all gods aside. Those who will hold on to the belief of God will be severely punished, or executed. Yeah this man is going to be far worse than any other in human history. He devises one world government, one world money via the mark (chip) and one world Religion, that is to say NONE. And when the whole world is going crazy, the Earth is out of orbit, spinning faster, wobbling in orbit like a drunkard, oceans disappearing, mountains gone, billions killed, rivers and lakes boiling, and Jesus Christ DID NOT COME, like all the pre-tribbers believe He should have, and then they hear this man saying on TV to the world "Where is your God now?" Many, and i say trillions will fall away from their faiths, because how could a God exist when all that stuff is happening to the Earth. The antichrist is Atheist. Not a devil worshiper, not a God worshiper, he does not believe in anything like that stuff, but he believes in POWER and CONTROL, and he wants to be god of this world, and satan is going to give him his authority to do so. Yeah way more evil than anyone in the past.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said: Where is this written? Scriptures plainly teach there is ONLY One Judgment Day, and that day is NOT the time of death of a person. Judgment Day, when Jesus Returns to the Earth the second Time, is the ONLY DAY that determines who will and who will not go to Heaven or to Hell? On that specific Day is when the Books are opened and if your name is found in the Book of Life, ON THAT DAY, it is on that Day that you are judged to go to Heaven.

There is no Scriptures that teach when a person dies they immediately go to Heaven or that they immediately go to Hell. If that was the case then Judgment Day is at the time of death of a person. This is a false doctrine, and is not True nor is it Scriptural.

DD,
Guess you never read Heb 9:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment...

i have read the entire Bible front to back over 80 times in my life, so i would imagine that i read that over 80 times.

It is appointed for each and every human person to die ONCE. This is TRUE and is Scriptural.

However that verse is not talking about, or referring to the immortal spirit that is in each one of us. Why do you think that we either spend eternity in Heaven or in Hell. Because the spirit that is in us, is immortal, God made it to where it can't be killed or destroyed. There is a Spiritual Body, and there is a fleshly body. The fleshly body is appointed to die once. The Spiritual body can never be killed. Even a spiritual death of a spirit is NOT DEATH as we know it, but a spiritual death is being separated from God for all eternity.

Scriptures plainly teach those who die in Christ, SLEEP. Believe Scriptures not what men teach you.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Ahwatukee]

That is because you are NOT giving Scriptural Proofs Brother, but you are giving us YOUR OPINIONS of what you think the Scriptural Proof is. So intelligent but can't figure out why EVERYONE is saying you are not giving them Scriptural Proof, when you think that you are. kind of like that statement "Book smart, but not common sense smart"
If Everyone is asking you give Scriptural proof to back up something you teach, and then you give them what YOU THINK is Scriptural Proof, and they then respond "That is not Scriptural Proof", it would seem to me, you should question what YOU THINK is your Scriptural Proof. Because what you give is your opinions about what you THINK is Scriptural Proof.

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DiscipleDave

What is actually happening is that everywhere you put "Opinion" is because you refuse to make the connection to the scripture. For example:

"These are those who did not defile themselves with women."

This is not "Opinion" but infers by the verse that these 144,000 are all males. I can't help if you are not intelligent enough to make the connection. The verse above also reveals that they are adult males, because it would not have to be said of children that they did not defile themselves with women.

Therefore, your label of it being my "Opinion" is in fact your opinion. What it really means is that you yourself can't make the connection the scriptures.

 

[PlainWord]

DD,

lol, Hitler. He was considered to be the antichrist, and fits into a lot of prophesies as well.

Do you suppose John was talking about Hitler here? "Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming."

So, John was talking about being in the "last hour" and that the Antichrist was coming. My view is, he was talking about the pending destruction of Jerusalem and the end of Israel as a nation and that the Antichrist's arrival was to be tied to this "last hour" of Israel as a nation. Your view is that John looked completely past the total and utter destruction of his country and instead was worried about a generation some 2,000+ years into the future. Your view is that John's hour lasts 2,000 plus years. Your view doesn't pass any smell test, except that of the Rotten Egg.

The AntiChrist that John wrote about was Titus and he came in 70 AD who Paul calls "The Man of Sin" and the "Lawless One." Who ended the Temple, and thus the ability to practice the Law? Could "Lawless" mean "no more Law" or "without Law?"

True. But none of those you mentioned will cause a great falling away. The antichrist will one day be on TV and say "Where is your God now?" And this will cause a great falling away from ALL FAITHS of the world, not just Christianity. The Muslims will believe he is their Messiah. The Jews will believe his is the coming Messiah.

LOL. You got all of this from this one passage, right? I'm asking, not telling.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Do you see the word, "television" or "TV" in the above? Do you see any mention of all peoples of the world seeing him? If so, please point that out to me. I see a man sitting in the temple showing himself to be God, opposing and exalting himself above all called God. Titus did this and news flesh, there is no more temple.

As for the "falling away" it has nothing to do with today's church. It had everything to do with the apostate Jews and their actions under the Law in those final few years. They totally abandoned the Law and allowed people to pay money to become priests not even requiring them to be from the Tribe of Levi. Later, they just appointed themselves priest and put on their priestly robes. A huge No No. They offered sacrifices to Nero. When the Seditious took over the temple, they killed priests in the Temple and near the alter. They dressed up as women and .... (did bad things with each other in the temple). They slaughtered and killed their countrymen by the tens of thousands. They burned the city's food supply then robbed the people of their food. They drank wine from the temple's holy cups. Would this behavior inside the temple by thousands be considered a "falling away" from the Law?

Oops, Houston. DD has a problem. When prophesy is 100% totally and accurately fulfilled in close proximity to being given (< 40 years), why would we ignore it and invent an additional prophesy thousands of years later?

 

[Locutus]

DD,

Your view doesn't pass any smell test, except that of the Rotten Egg.