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Is that what you are hearing? Grace cannot be added to or taken away from. Grace is complete in itself.
For your benefit I will state clearly it is oxymoronic to ascribe to a belief system that depends on water baptism. It is oxymoronic to ascribe to a belief system that permits man to lose his salvation after he has been sealed by Christ unto eternal life.
Happy now? I did not call anyone a moron just articulated the complete vanity of water baptismal regeneration.
For by grace are you saved not by works.
Always give the gospel when the people you speak with are possibly not saved.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For your benefit I will state clearly it is oxymoronic to ascribe to a belief system that depends on water baptism. It is oxymoronic to ascribe to a belief system that permits man to lose his salvation after he has been sealed by Christ unto eternal life.
Happy now? I did not call anyone a moron just articulated the complete vanity of water baptismal regeneration.
For by grace are you saved not by works.
Always give the gospel when the people you speak with are possibly not saved.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am orthodox on this matter it is you who has gone off into error.
I may distain your lack of sound doctrine but I have not called you any names. You are making unfounded accusations. Not really a surprise since you read posts like you read your bible. Not for comprehension but with bias toward the inane.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I may distain your lack of sound doctrine but I have not called you any names. You are making unfounded accusations. Not really a surprise since you read posts like you read your bible. Not for comprehension but with bias toward the inane.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I remember as a teenager and going to church I wanted to get baptised.
I was brought up in the anglican church and christened as a baby.
Something inside me at that time said this was not the time.
Water baptism is the sign of faith, of dying with Christ and being resurrected.
There are very few ceremonies in the Christian faith, but this is one endorsed
by Jesus. For this very reason, it is significant, for the fulfillment of righteousness.
My question to those who disregard such a thing, who is their Lord? And do they
know what Christ being their Savior and doing His will actually means?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Matt 28:19-20
Jesus commands us to baptize believers, teaching them to obey everything Jesus has
commanded.
Oddly some claim to be believers and disobey what Jesus has commanded, which contradicts
Jesus's great commission and not surprisingly similar people also resist baptism.
I was brought up in the anglican church and christened as a baby.
Something inside me at that time said this was not the time.
Water baptism is the sign of faith, of dying with Christ and being resurrected.
There are very few ceremonies in the Christian faith, but this is one endorsed
by Jesus. For this very reason, it is significant, for the fulfillment of righteousness.
My question to those who disregard such a thing, who is their Lord? And do they
know what Christ being their Savior and doing His will actually means?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Matt 28:19-20
Jesus commands us to baptize believers, teaching them to obey everything Jesus has
commanded.
Oddly some claim to be believers and disobey what Jesus has commanded, which contradicts
Jesus's great commission and not surprisingly similar people also resist baptism.
Christian Universalism is focused around the idea of universal reconciliation, also known as universal salvation—the doctrine that every human soul will ultimately be reconciled to God because of divine love and mercy
A universalist is as a universalist said.
Really?
A universalist is as a universalist said.
Really?
Do you think it is related? If the question is about being reconciled to God and attaining to life ever after, the Scriptures are pretty clear that is by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Christ, Who gave His life as an atoning sacrifice to pay the sin debt of the world. He is God. He baptizes with the Holy Spirit, causing a new birth in us, giving us the right to be called children of God. Those found in Him through the covering of His blood at the end of this age, have their names written in the Lambs book of life, and live. Those not born again of the imperishable seed of Christ perish.
The OP just asked if it was required. I believe that Jesus told us it is. It is the "faith/grace only" folks that want to nit pick it down to "so, you think being dunked in water SAVES you, don't you"
I've stated all along that we are saved by God's grace, because of Jesus sacrifice for us. We are also required to be water baptized.
I've stated all along that we are saved by God's grace, because of Jesus sacrifice for us. We are also required to be water baptized.
However you wish to define "Spirit Baptism" it does not negate water baptisms role as the point of remission of sins (Acts 2:38). Any attempt to do so is in clear violation of the gospel. No matter how popular faith alone regeneration theology becomes the word of God does not change. The sensibilities of free grace theology does not allow anything other then faith to be part of the Good News, forcing the willful ignorance of much of the Bible. This is the wedge that is driving division in the church, separating the goats from the sheep.
I totally understand the theory behind this theology and would embrace it myself if it were not for the numerous verses that insist on the need for obedience before remission of sins is granted or acknowledged. The lack of a reasonable rebuttal to these verses is more then enough to question such thinking. Claims of consensus or esoteric knowledge are not valid defenses
I totally understand the theory behind this theology and would embrace it myself if it were not for the numerous verses that insist on the need for obedience before remission of sins is granted or acknowledged. The lack of a reasonable rebuttal to these verses is more then enough to question such thinking. Claims of consensus or esoteric knowledge are not valid defenses
However YOU wish to define baptism, and water, Jesus defines them differently. You can stick with your materialistic and worldly understanding of Spiritual things. I will stick with my Spiritual understanding of Spiritual matters.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Rev 7:16-17
Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of
his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” John 7:38
his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” John 7:38
Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” John 4:13b-14
And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment." Rev 21:6
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say,“Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price. Rev 22:17
With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. Isa 12:3
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb Rev 22:1
On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. John 7:37-39a
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Rev 7:16-17
Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” John 4:10