KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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MarcR

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Could you explain how the Holy Spirit interprets scripture in each believer? I'll give you an example to work with since it's relevant to the discussion or you can chose your own.

1 Peter 1:23 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
The Holy Spirit has led some to interpret this verse as Jesus being the incorruptible seed (ignoring the grammar) and others, at least myself to believe the incorruptible seed is the word of God. How is it that the same Holy Spirit lead to 2 different views?
Here comes a third:

John 3:3-6
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV

The incorruptible seed causes the rebirth which is the work of the Holy Spirit; just as Gabriel answered Mary: Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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nddreamer

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I would argue that there is no true rest apart from Jesus Christ and the rest being spoken of here is something that Joshua would have been incapable of giving to them.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:28



Paul's teachings can be a little convoluted at times. Even Peter wrote this: "2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
Peter is suggesting here that those who don't get it shouldn't change it to suit themselves or they may be in some trouble.

"Heb. 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."

This can't be understood when taken out of context.

"Heb.3:1-19 Wherefore,---consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus (he who we have professed our faith in); 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him (our Holy Father sent him to accomplish his will in granting us salvation),---4 ---he that built all things is God.----6 But Christ as a son over his own house, whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope (our salvation) firm unto the end. 7 Wherefore as the Holy Ghost saith, To-day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation,--- 11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest. 12 Take heed,---lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To-day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;-----17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest,----4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day--And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And--again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again---saying in David,---To-day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.------11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.----14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession (our faith)."

"another day" written in Heb. 4:8 refers to that time which is called the day when God was provoked to anger in the desert by those who did not believe (Heb. 3:8), and also of the seventh day of God's rest from all his works which he made and how many could not enter into his rest because of unbelief (Heb. 4:4-6), and as written by David in "Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To-day if ye will hear his voice (believe)." Those who do not believe can not enter in. Jesus is our salvation if we will believe. To-day is our day of salvation or not. For those who are in unbelief, it is not.
"another day" is referring to those examples of people provoking God to anger by their unbelief. God has given us Jesus as our salvation, but we must believe that he is.

Heb. 4:8 For if they had chosen salvation, then God would not afterward have been angered as at other times.
"Heb. 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God (but you must choose him)."
"Heb. 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (as at those other times)."
 

preston39

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Yes.... back in the 70's I heard that "God is dead".....

I didn't believe that, either.

Nobody is promoting a "re-write" of the Bible. Translations are a whole different thing, though. The KJV is a translation. So is the NASB. And the ESV... and....
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Look at my words...."re-write". Logically, that MAY include new/different translation, etc.

The point is..... the new edition will say all of the above are justified and we are to accept changes in the written word.

Call it whatever you wish.
 

preston39

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No, I'm going off what you guys say.
Only begotten Son to one and only Son - backward revelation.
Gospel preached in the wildernes to good news preached in the wilderness - backward revelation.
The Son of God in the fiery furnace to a son of the gods in the furnace - backward revelation.
Easter BACK to Passover - backward revelation.
Lucifer falling from heaven to the morining star falling from heaven- backward revelation.

These are just a few things off the top of my head.
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Just curious...why wouldn't you respond to .."Gods" plural? ( a major, change, distortion, redaction, word replacement, spinning, of G-d's word in direct violation of Rev 22, et al ).
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Then what does the change form ...God...to gods...mean?
I'm not going through all that yet again. If it's such a big deal to you and you don't like it then read a translation you do like and let others do the same.
 

preston39

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I'm not going through all that yet again. If it's such a big deal to you and you don't like it then read a translation you do like and let others do the same.
L...,

WHOA.....I already did that. But, you said...surely you can answer the question for others..no? It should be a big deal for ...all..who wish to be clear with G-d.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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L...,

WHOA.....I already did that. But, you said...surely you can answer the question for others..no? It should be a big deal for ...all..who wish to be clear with G-d.
My conscience about the translations I read is quite clear before God thank you very much.
 

Locutus

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How can the message of the KJV be inspired when it mistranslates the Greek?

(Mat 24:3 KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Correct translation:

As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

(Heb 9:26 KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Correct translation:

Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
 

iamsoandso

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How can the message of the KJV be inspired when it mistranslates the Greek?

(Mat 24:3 KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Correct translation:

As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

(Heb 9:26 KJV) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Correct translation:

Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

lol, you go man Matthew 19:8...

Moses wrote something that was never so and by the same reasoning from the beginning the entire set of scripture is not to be trusted,,,
 

Locutus

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lol, you go man Matthew 19:8...

Moses wrote something that was never so and by the same reasoning from the beginning the entire set of scripture is not to be trusted,,,

How do you account for Deuteronomy 24:1?
 

preston39

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Her response was credible and appropriate. Yours? Not so much.

P...,

Please ...then you explain the substitute of Gods (plural)..for God (singular).

If your name is reflective this should be good and helpful....thanks.

Your lack of fact response ..so far...is not encouraging.
 

hornetguy

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h...,

Look at my words...."re-write". Logically, that MAY include new/different translation, etc.

The point is..... the new edition will say all of the above are justified and we are to accept changes in the written word.

Call it whatever you wish.
I have no problem calling a "bible" that espouses those things as a re-write, because it is changing basic doctrine to fit politically correct thought.

What I have a problem with is anyone insinuating that anything other than the KJV translation is a "re-write". They are translations... just as the KJV is.
 

hornetguy

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P...,

Please ...then you explain the substitute of Gods (plural)..for God (singular).

If your name is reflective this should be good and helpful....thanks.

Your lack of fact response ..so far...is not encouraging.
Since you are new here, I would recommend you do a search on KJVO threads, because this was explained, over and over again... ad nauseum in the other threads.

The scripture was quoting what King Nebuchadnezzar was saying... he was NOT a believer in one true "god". He believed in a plurality of gods. When he said there is someone in there that looks like a son of the gods, he was speaking from his world view.

Now, go study it... instead of denigrating others who HAVE studied it in context of who said it, and when it was said.
 

iamsoandso

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How do you account for Deuteronomy 24:1?
If it was so she could not receive the letter and marry that man of sin and then when he is slain at the Lords coming be reunited with her former husband Deuteronomy 24:4 but if Matthew 19:8 is true then all Israel will be saved as Paul stated. What difference would it make though if Moses mistranslated/misspoke something and all the scriptures cannot be trusted which is the same manner of thinking you gave of age/world?
 

Locutus

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If it was so she could not receive the letter and marry that man of sin and then when he is slain at the Lords coming be reunited with her former husband Deuteronomy 24:4 but if Matthew 19:8 is true then all Israel will be saved as Paul stated. What difference would it make though if Moses mistranslated/misspoke something and all the scriptures cannot be trusted which is the same manner of thinking you gave of age/world?
You'll have to explain yourself some more here in regards to Matt 19:8 and what I posted about the end of the world/age soandso?

How does the above have any bearing on "all Israel" - not the thread topic by the way.