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[Chester]

Yes, please don't make Chester laugh. We don't wanna see him pee himself... lol

Please, please, please! Quit it! Now I have to run home and change pants!

(Please don't look while I am at it! LOL!)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this is the post I was responding to above..forgot to include it









you know, that is truly not the reply of someone who says they are a Christian. this is what you do...you have made this exact remark to many on this forum

I'm not sure you know what honest would even look like

Honest is living up and admitting when you have made a mistake

Honesty is when you claim people say something, and you have been proven wrong by so many people. You admit you made a mistake and continue to slander people by saying they believe something they do not (Say like workers saying people like me HATE obedience and want nothing to do with it)

Honesty and integrity is not telling people to put their pants on, Not telling people to man up. Not attacking people who disagree with them.

I came in and made a few posts, of disagreement, As usual someone did not like it, and attacked me.

You quickly climbed on the bandwagon, Well what does that say about you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet, you continue to not understand the simplest of Scriptures........and the Title fits exactly what Christ preached during His ministry. You are too blinded by your denominational ideology and self importance to see beyond them.

No it does not.

Jesus said we are saved by faith, He said we are not condemned BECAUSE we trusted in him, He said if we believe in him we will never hunger never thirst, live forever, have eternal life and will be risen on the last day

He said those who come to him he will never cast out. And those who are his, if we want a blessed life, to go do the work he created us to do. Which is to love others, whether they are our enemy or not.

You wanna stir all this up again? That's on you dude.

I do not see how your nose isn't twisted into a pretzel the way you talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

You wanna stir it all up again? That's on you dude.......

I got you dude:
Just a little man hiding behind his computer screen puffed up with self importance

and again, this little elephant shows his true colors. He will yell and scream and cry when people disagree with him, saying they attack him, yet almost every post he makes he has a derogatory remark about someone.

And yes, I will continue to expose every time he does this whether he is talking to me or not

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what I highlighted in blue is something I have tried to say, pointed out and also believe

but few pay attention

no one...ABSOLUTELY no one...has addressed the things posted by the op and said by Jesus

you may not be aware, but there are some in this forum that do no believe we need to pay attention to what Jesus said because (and I quote) 'He was under the law'

they do not understand the OT, they do not understand the difference between trying to earn salvation with so called works and obedience to the gospel

it is an ongoing and sad statement that reflects on either a true inability to comprehend or the belief that Jesus preached a different gospel than did Paul...which is also a teaching that has crept in here

do you believe that good works are required to maintain salvation? Yes or no.

can you answer this question?

 

[Chester]

The Title fits the Scriptures provided in the OP. Even a few of the detractors have to acknowledge that obedience is required by God. Jesus spoke more than once of this, and He also warned what being disobedient to Him/God would result in. We are saved by Grace through Faith.......and we must believe on Him.......here most agree, however too many do not understand that. IF we truly believe on Him, we will be obedient to Him and obey His Commandments. It is not works salvation, it is walking in obedience to Christ/God. The disobedient will not enter into the Kingdom, and that is exactly what Matthew 7:21 is warning all believers of.

I agree with everything you wrote in the above paragraph.

But when you write "remaining obedient secures eternity": you are saying something very different than what you say in the above paragraph. (at least to me it is very different).

Obedience is required - Yes! But this does mean that it is obedience that secures salvation or eternity!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please, please, please! Quit it! Now I have to run home and change pants!

(Please don't look while I am at it! LOL!)

Please go in the closet and change, Stunned is hacking people computers!! She will take a pick and post it all over the internet for all to see

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with everything you wrote in the above paragraph.

But when you write "remaining obedient secures eternity": you are saying something very different than what you say in the above paragraph. (at least to me it is very different).

Obedience is required - Yes! But this does mean that it is obedience that secures salvation or eternity!

Thank you, You see what the jist of the discussion centers around

It is not, nor has it ever been obedience, it is the salvic implication of obedience (it saved you, or it is a result of being saved)

 

[Chester]

do you believe that good works are required to maintain salvation? Yes or no.

can you answer this question?

Are good works required by God? YES!

Is it the works that maintain our salvation? NO!!!!!!!!

Chester's answer: Sorry to butt in! (I have my pants on! LOL!)

 

[p_rehbein]

I agree with everything you wrote in the above paragraph.

But when you write "remaining obedient secures eternity": you are saying something very different than what you say in the above paragraph. (at least to me it is very different).

Obedience is required - Yes! But this does mean that it is obedience that secures salvation or eternity!

No, and that has been the problem all along. People just do not understand the concept/use of the word secure. Maybe you will have a better idea of what I mean when I use "secures" by reading a Parable Jesus taught to explain His teachings about obedience.

Matthew 7:24) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25) And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

This man was secure in knowing his house would stand because of the ROCK, not because of His labour. Does that help?

 

[blue_ladybug]

ROFL.... If she peeps on me, she deserves what she might see.. lol

Please go in the closet and change, Stunned is hacking people computers!! She will take a pick and post it all over the internet for all to see

 

[p_rehbein]

No it does not.

Jesus said we are saved by faith, He said we are not condemned BECAUSE we trusted in him, He said if we believe in him we will never hunger never thirst, live forever, have eternal life and will be risen on the last day

He said those who come to him he will never cast out. And those who are his, if we want a blessed life, to go do the work he created us to do. Which is to love others, whether they are our enemy or not.


and again, this little elephant shows his true colors. He will yell and scream and cry when people disagree with him, saying they attack him, yet almost every post he makes he has a derogatory remark about someone.

And yes, I will continue to expose every time he does this whether he is talking to me or not

You continue to protest......yet you, and others here continue to do what you accuse me of. Sad, truly sad.....but, shoot, your history has been one of attack, assault, belittle, berate and mock, so why should anyone expect any less?

All you expose is your own lack of understanding of Scripture, and your own denominational blindness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are good works required by God? YES!

Is it the works that maintain our salvation? NO!!!!!!!!

Chester's answer: Sorry to butt in! (I have my pants on! LOL!)

Thank you, Someone can answer the question. (and thanks for having your pants on!! lol)

 

[p_rehbein]

Thank you, Someone can answer the question. (and thanks for having your pants on!! lol)

He said nothing different that what I have said all along.......but some folks are too blinded by their bias to even begin to understand.........soooooo

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You continue to protest......yet you, and others here continue to do what you accuse me of. Sad, truly sad.....but, shoot, your history has been one of attack, assault, belittle, berate and mock, so why should anyone expect any less?

Dude I am not attacking you, I just gave a different opinion. I disagree that works ASSURE of of salvation. I believe works are a PRODUCT of salvation. (that is my only gripe. yet you NEVER respond to this issue. )

But for some reason you think everything I say something I am attacking you. Like Peter Jenz did, and other people who do not like it when people have a different view and will keep making sure that view is seen also.

So please. get off your high horse and stop with the nonsense

You have yet to respond to any post I have made in this thread. Every time you respond to me, you respond with an attack.

Who is the one attacking here (everyone sees)

All you expose is your own lack of understanding of Scripture, and your own denominational blindness.

1. I have no denomination
2. Your the one who has an issue wiht scripture. I gave an interpretation of a few of your scriptures. You have yet to even respind to them. so again, Your the one who has the problem here not me.

Both of these are strawman arguments, They have no basis of fact, They can go both ways (I can say the same argument to you this they are invalid argument)

You want to discuss the word let discuss it, lets stop calling people names, telling them to man up. Telling them to put their pants on. Lets discuss the word. Or continue with your nonsense.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity

For this very reason, be diligent to supply in your faith goodness, goodness in knowledge, 6 knowledge in self-control, self-control in endurance, endurance in godliness, 7 godliness in brotherly affection, and brotherly affection in love. 8 For if these things are yours and are increasing, they will keep you from being useless or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 The person who lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten the cleansing from his past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, be diligent to make secure your calling and election, because if you do these things you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied to you. 2 Peter 1:5-11​

Works in Faith

1. In your faith supply the desire and will to do good;
2. and supply in your will to do good the knowledge that there is nothing good in you, and all goodness comes from GOD;
3. and supply in your knowledge that only GOD is good the self-control to not run ahead of GOD doing your own dead works;
4. and supply in your self-control the patient endurance to endure suffering while waiting for the guidance of GOD's spirit;
5. and supply in your patient endurance the godly behavior of seeking GOD's glory instead of your own glory;
6. and supply in your godliness the brotherly affection that esteems others better than yourself;
7. and supply in your brotherly affection the love (agape) that lays down it's life for the brethren.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He said nothing different that what I have said all along.......but some folks are too blinded by their bias to even begin to understand.........soooooo

So you do not believe works are required to maintain salvation, that salvation can not be lost?

When did you change?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and by the way ,As I showed earlier ( the ope never even responded) works do not assure salvation, our position and faith in Christ does.

People can continue to run the race because they KNOW they are forgiven, and KNOW when the fall down. God will get us back up. and set us on our way again

Works is a FALSE assurance of salvation, The pharisees had many works, How much did it assure them? Sadly the church is focused on works today, And missing the true meaning of Grace and where the root of obedience comes from.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Get this through yo heads.. Works DO NOT save us. Works DO NOT secure or guarantee our salvation.. Works ARE NOT a requirement for being saved. Works ARE NOT to be done for the purpose of keeping or maintaining salvation..

If I didn't know better I'd say this was the Not By Works thread.. lol

 

[p_rehbein]

Dude I am not attacking you, I just gave a different opinion. I disagree that works ASSURE of of salvation. I believe works are a PRODUCT of salvation. (that is my only gripe. yet you NEVER respond to this issue. )

But for some reason you think everything I say something I am attacking you. Like Peter Jenz did, and other people who do not like it when people have a different view and will keep making sure that view is seen also.

So please. get off your high horse and stop with the nonsense

You have yet to respond to any post I have made in this thread. Every time you respond to me, you respond with an attack.

Who is the one attacking here (everyone sees)



1. I have no denomination
2. Your the one who has an issue wiht scripture. I gave an interpretation of a few of your scriptures. You have yet to even respind to them. so again, Your the one who has the problem here not me.

Both of these are strawman arguments, They have no basis of fact, They can go both ways (I can say the same argument to you this they are invalid argument)

You want to discuss the word let discuss it, lets stop calling people names, telling them to man up. Telling them to put their pants on. Lets discuss the word. Or continue with your nonsense.

Dude.......go back in the Thread.......because you surely did not have a problem belittling and berating me quite often. Now you want to back off? It is your history that when folks give back what you give out, you whine and cry about being attacked. You honestly think I am not aware of your 5 year history here?

You do not want to discuss anything. If you did, you would see that some of us have been discussing it all along, and having to do so while putting up with your nonsense. I expect you are ready to stop with the name calling, it would be wise, but, if you begin to lose the argument, you will revert right back to your normal MO. So, what is the use?

You want to stop, yet you continue, even in this post? Too, too funny........

HeRoseFromTheDead posted a comment that blew all of your arguments out of the water. I did the same by posting the Scriptures of Christ in His own Words. Especially those from the 7th Chapter of Matthew, which you have little or no understanding of. The Word is Truth! If you have a problem with the use of the word "secures," that is your problem because of your lack of understanding.

 

[p_rehbein]

Get this through yo heads.. Works DO NOT save us. Works DO NOT secure or guarantee our salvation.. Works ARE NOT a requirement for being saved. Works ARE NOT to be done for the purpose of keeping or maintaining salvation..

If I didn't know better I'd say this was the Not By Works thread.. lol View attachment 179727

I agree with every word of that!

Neither I, nor others who understand what I have said about obedience have ever proposed that works lead to salvation. Try reading Matthew, Chapter 7, and understand Jesus teaching about obedience, and how our being obedient to Him gives us security in our salvation.