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[LaurieB]

Spanking a child is not illegal.

It IS illegal in schools. And it will soon be illlegal for a parent to spank a child as well it should be. Spanking means hitting hard enough to hurt.

If you hit another adult, it is assault.
If you hit your wife, it is domestic violence.
But if you (an adult) hit a a small child ... we call it discipline.

Very odd

 

[JonahLynx]

If he's doing this at 11, then (most likely) it doesn't stem from deeper issues such as depression or loneliness which would warrant the heavy-handed spiritual responses you're getting in this thread. But this being a result of pure curiosity, I think the temporary solution is simply restricting access to his exploration, so that WHEN he develops spiritual struggles, his habit is not to use porn as an outlet.

IMO most of the advice given here is treating the situation as if your son is a young adult.

Spanking a child is not illegal.

OP is not in the US.

 

[preacher4truth]

It IS illegal in schools. And it will soon be illlegal for a parent to spank a child as well it should be. Spanking means hitting hard enough to hurt.

If you hit another adult, it is assault.
If you hit your wife, it is domestic violence.
But if you (an adult) hit a a small child ... we call it discipline.

Very odd

You don't know what you're talking about. I do, in fact, I know the law. Spanking and hitting are not to be conflated.

 

[preacher4truth]

OP is not in the US.

Yes, good point, but my response was to one who has a US flag avatar and was meant for the laws here.

 

[MarcR]

It IS illegal in schools. And it will soon be illlegal for a parent to spank a child as well it should be. Spanking means hitting hard enough to hurt.

If you hit another adult, it is assault.
If you hit your wife, it is domestic violence.
But if you (an adult) hit a a small child ... we call it discipline.

Very odd

It is illegal in schools and academic standards and student behavior have gone from first in the world to abominable

 

[MarcR]

It IS illegal in schools. And it will soon be illlegal for a parent to spank a child as well it should be. Spanking means hitting hard enough to hurt.

If you hit another adult, it is assault.
If you hit your wife, it is domestic violence.
But if you (an adult) hit a a small child ... we call it discipline.

Very odd

Are you posting Biblical values or values of a culture where gay agenda and abortion rights are more important than constitutionally protected free exercise of religion?

 

[MarcR]

I said I was leaving the thread and I got caught back up in it.

 

[Pontiac]

Personally, I wasn't alarmed at Marc's statement that he is in favor of spanking children as discipline ... I am full aware that the Bible is not against this type of discipline ... What alarms me about Marc's philosophy is the "way" in which he goes about those spankings ( forcing a child to strip naked ) ... And most alarming is the fact that Marc stated that "ALL" Christian parents "should" follow his same philosophy ... That is the most alarming part of all to me ... That he actually believes that every Christian parent "should" strip their child naked prior to disciplining them ... What I don't get is why he believes that his method is best for all, especially when he can provide zero scripture in the Bible that offers any support for his method of disciplining children ... To me, that demonstrates a high degree of arrogance ...

 

[Pontiac]

Yes, I see you got caught back up in the thread Marc ... You are also caught up in the mindset that your idea is best for "all" ... Even though your philosophy has zero biblical support ... That is what is most troubling ...

 

[joefizz]

I will be leaving this thread.

Final thoughts on Biblical basis for discipline:

The Bible does NOT give ANY explicit guidelines on how to spank; so lack of specific support for my method is meaningless.

The Bible clearly teaches that spanking is God's recommended method.

The only guidance the Bible gives on how to spank is the way God disciplines Israel, His children, in OT times.

As demonstrated in a previous post, God uses both pain and embarrassment when He disciplines a nation including Israel and Judah.

Jesus suffered pain and embarrassment when he paid for our sins.

Since modern Psychological teaching has removed corporal punishment in the schools, both academic performance and student behavior have declined to the point that most public schools are not fit for christian children to attend.

You cannot name one Scripture that says spanking should NOT include pain and embarrassment.

Oh yeah?
Remember what Jesus said about "offending" a child it is written...Matthew Chapter 18 verses 1 -6 (KJV) " At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus ,saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
And Jesus called a little child unto him,and set him in the midst of them,And said ,Verily I say unto you,Except ye be converted,and become as little children ,ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child,the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me,it were better for him that a mill stone were hanged about his neck,and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
And so there you have it "you do not offend children" as you have done,so you have "not disciplined" you have "trespassed against your child" and are giving "untrue advice" I pray this same child didn't believe your flat out "abominable method" and you should stop "promoting" your "abominable sin" as "proper discipline".

 

[MarcR]

Yes, I see you got caught back up in the thread Marc ... You are also caught up in the mindset that your idea is best for "all" ... Even though your philosophy has zero biblical support ... That is what is most troubling ...

Your comment about no Biblical support would be well taken if you could show Biblical support for your position.

 

[MarcR]

When corporal punishment and open prayer were legal in our schools we did not have school shootings and human life was valued!

 

[preacher4truth]

Oh yeah?

Oh, just stop.

The passage you've provided and are blathering on about it, while taking it out of context and misapplying it, has zero to do with child discipline. Please don't mishandle the Word like this, (2 Timothy 2:15) and especially in feeble attempt to rebuke an older gentleman who knows the Word and is worthy of respect.

 

[joefizz]

Yes, I see you got caught back up in the thread Marc ... You are also caught up in the mindset that your idea is best for "all" ... Even though your philosophy has zero biblical support ... That is what is most troubling ...

Because he seeks "justification" for his "past guilt" which isn't there.

 

[MarcR]

Oh yeah?
Remember what Jesus said about "offending" a child it is written...Matthew Chapter 18 verses 1 -6 (KJV) " At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus ,saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
And Jesus called a little child unto him,and set him in the midst of them,And said ,Verily I say unto you,Except ye be converted,and become as little children ,ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child,the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me,it were better for him that a mill stone were hanged about his neck,and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
And so there you have it "you do not offend children" as you have done,so you have "not disciplined" you have "trespassed against your child" and are giving "untrue advice" I pray this same child didn't believe your flat out "abominable method" and you should stop "promoting" your "abominable sin" as "proper discipline".

If my children had been offended, you might have a point; however neither of my children were offended and both were strong soul winners.

 

[joefizz]

Oh, just stop.

The passage you've provided and your blathering on about it, while taking it out of context and misapplying it, has zero to do with child discipline. Please don't mishandle the Word like this, (2 Timothy 2:15) and especially in feeble attempt to rebuke an older gentleman who knows the Word and is worthy of respect.

I will always stand up for children get over yourself,I know the difference between "distorting" the bible and "teaching the bible in truth" so don't lecture me on such ridiculousness,I'm sure you too know what has been shared is "flat out wrong" I shared what is "true".

 

[preacher4truth]

I will always stand up for children get over yourself,

Standing up for children? LOL!!!!!!! You seriously need to get under some sound teaching, you're way off track! Looks like you need to get over yourself. People with your unbiblical politically correct philosophy are what is coming against truth and Scripture. You do attend church, right?

I know the difference between "distorting" the bible and "teaching the bible in truth" so don't lecture me on such ridiculousness,I'm sure you too know what has been shared is "flat out wrong" I shared what is "true".

No, obviously you don't know what is true or when Scripture is distorted. You've distorted the Word, turned it into a politically correct diatribe to such an extent Hillary would sign it. Your twaddle and diatribe has nothing to do with contextual truth.

 

[Pontiac]

Marc, I can easily show biblical support for "my position" ... My position is that it is o.k. to discipline a child with a spanking at times ... That is supported here ...

Proverbs 13:24 [SUP]24[/SUP]Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

However, no verse in the Bible supports the "stripping of a child naked" and embarrassing them as a form of punishment, which is your position ... Clearly there IS support for my position, while there is NO support for your position ... As I stated earlier, even more troubling is that you believe your twisted philosophy "should be" practiced by "all" Christian parents ... I realize your 78 years old and old school ... I also am old school about many things ... But I must see undeniable proof in the Bible for those old school positions ... In this case, your position is not supported anywhere within the Bible at all ... That is why it is extremely arrogant to suggest that "all Christians" should have the same philosophy as yourself ... You cannot even provide any evidence that "one" Christian parent should have the same philosophy as yourself ...

 

[joefizz]

Oh, just stop.

The passage you've provided and are blathering on about it, while taking it out of context and misapplying it, has zero to do with child discipline. Please don't mishandle the Word like this, (2 Timothy 2:15) and especially in feeble attempt to rebuke an older gentleman who knows the Word and is worthy of respect.

2 Timothy 2:15(KJV)
Study to shew thyself approved unti God,a work that neededth not be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth.
Fascinating so I use a "direct quote" which "does pertain to how to treat children" and yet somehow I'm not "rightly dividing" God's word and it's "Jesus" stating "not to offend children" who do you think I "trust"?

 

[preacher4truth]

2 Timothy 2:15(KJV)
Study to shew thyself approved unti God,a work that neededth not be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth.
Fascinating so I use a "direct quote" which "does pertain to how to treat children" and yet somehow I'm not "rightly dividing" God's word and it's "Jesus" stating "not to offend children" who do you think I "trust"?

The context isn't about child discipline, now is it? The same God who gave us means to discipline children isn't NOW saying that to spank them is to offend children. You're showing how little you know, so stop while you're behind.

Stop eisegeting Scripture while acting like you are going off the context, and learn to listen to others for once, in other words stop being callow.