Are women allowed to Preach?

[FlSnookman7]

By what you said, it is obvious you don't see what I'm saying at all. You actually believe it is fine for homosexuals to be leading the church. My oh my, I will pray for you brother. Things getting worse is not simply any perspective. This is also Bible prophesy coming true.

Please pray for me, i'll take all the prayers I can get.

I'll bet if you asked a black man in America if things are better now than they were 50 or 100 years ago he'd say yes. We like to think we live in the end times but God decides when the end comes, not us.

To compare women to homosexuals is simply wrong and shows perhaps some personal issues you need to work on. Keep following the popes and falwells and swaggerts of this world if you must. I choose to follow God and how and when He chooses to speak to me (the Word, men preachers, women preachers, a donkey by the well, a burning bush, etc) is His choice. Again, it seems like many want to tell God how to be God.

 

[wolfwint]

Sadly, people have used this approach "it is so clearly stated" to say God is okay with slavery too.

Well, i read the bible from beginnin to end. At moment I read leviticus chapter 5-6. I was surprised to read that only the male members of the priestfamily it was allowed to eat the flesh from the sacrifiesed animals.
Is God here unjusties? Are the male more worth then the female? You can start to blame now God.
I think the same is in the church. Not a question of worth, but of that what God wants.

 

[loyaldisciple]

Please pray for me, i'll take all the prayers I can get.

I'll bet if you asked a black man in America if things are better now than they were 50 or 100 years ago he'd say yes. We like to think we live in the end times but God decides when the end comes, not us.

To compare women to homosexuals is simply wrong and shows perhaps some personal issues you need to work on. Keep following the popes and falwells and swaggerts of this world if you must. I choose to follow God and how and when He chooses to speak to me (the Word, men preachers, women preachers, a donkey by the well, a burning bush, etc) is His choice. Again, it seems like many want to tell God how to be God.

You misunderstood just like I knew some people would. I didn't compare women to homosexuals other than the simple fact that they both are not what God said to preach in the church. Women are godly, natural and have a very important role in a godly society. They are to be a helper of mankind. Homosexuals are ungodly, filthy, completely immoral and have absolutely no role in a godly society. There is your comparison between a woman and a homosexual. And if you favor homosexuals in the church my friend then you are not listening to God very well.

 

[FlSnookman7]

You misunderstood just like I knew some people would. I didn't compare women to homosexuals other than the simple fact that they both are not what God said to preach in the church. Women are godly, natural and have a very important role in a godly society. They are to be a helper of mankind. Homosexuals are ungodly, filthy, completely immoral and have absolutely no role in a godly society. There is your comparison between a woman and a homosexual. And if you favor homosexuals in the church my friend then you are not listening to God very well.

I favor homosexuals, drug addicts, thieves, liars and everyone not saved in the church. They are the ones who need to hear the gospel. Sadly many in church look down upon anyone they perceive as "unGodly". I know that there is none any more unGodly, filthy or amoral than I was before I heard the Word and God saved me. Instead of letting my fear and hate push away those who need God the most, I choose to be lead by Him how He sees fit and to remember I too was once lost but now am found.

 

[loyaldisciple]

I favor homosexuals, drug addicts, thieves, liars and everyone not saved in the church. They are the ones who need to hear the gospel. Sadly many in church look down upon anyone they perceive as "unGodly". I know that there is none any more unGodly, filthy or amoral than I was before I heard the Word and God saved me. Instead of letting my fear and hate push away those who need God the most, I choose to be lead by Him how He sees fit and to remember I too was once lost but now am found.

I agree those people need help. Drug rehabilitation, mental therapy, and in general they need to come to God. However, they need to be outside of the congregation until they are stable enough to enter. If you let a bunch of homosexuals, drunkards and thieves into your congregation immediately without treatment, then they are highly likely to destroy the entire congregation and you end up with no church at all. And a homosexual should never be allowed to become any preacher. That is strictly against the will of God as this man is not a man with high moral standard.

 

[FlSnookman7]

I agree those people need help. Drug rehabilitation, mental therapy, and in general they need to come to God. However, they need to be outside of the congregation until they are stable enough to enter. If you let a bunch of homosexuals, drunkards and thieves into your congregation immediately without treatment, then they are highly likely to destroy the entire congregation and you end up with no church at all. And a homosexual should never be allowed to become any preacher. That is strictly against the will of God as this man is not a man with high moral standard.

I am thankful I was welcomed before I was stable enough. Without Jesus and the love of so many brothers and sisters I would never have been stable enough.

 

[loyaldisciple]

I am thankful I was welcomed before I was stable enough. Without Jesus and the love of so many brothers and sisters I would never have been stable enough.

Were you sitting in church under the influence of heroin or drunk and at the time ? Were you a homosexual making eyes at all the men ? Were you a thief looking to steal from the church ? Those are examples of not stable enough to enter. I don't know what your level of stability was, but I do know it is not a good idea for a church to just let "anyone" enter their congregation. And I do know a homosexual should never be any preacher.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Lloyd's back!

With his persecution complex

 

[lightbearer]

I agree those people need help. Drug rehabilitation, mental therapy, and in general they need to come to God. However, they need to be outside of the congregation until they are stable enough to enter.

The treatment is JESUS. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1Pet 2:24


Who Judges that they are stable enough?

Is there a committee set? A board of review?

No! Repent and believe is the only prerequisite. And that my friend is between GOD and the believer.

So unless one is not living a repentant life;still wearing their sin on their shirt so that all would see. Who is to judge this stability to which you speak?

 

[loyaldisciple]

I am thankful I was welcomed before I was stable enough. Without Jesus and the love of so many brothers and sisters I would never have been stable enough.

I guess your pastor did think you were stable enough to at least enter. If you were not under the influence at the service and were sober then you very well could have been stable enough to begin to learn. I didn't say one had to be anywhere close to fully recovered in order to enter. I just said it is not a good idea simply to let anyone to enter. It depends on their condition. A pastor does need to use some discernment in order to protect the congregation he already has.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Lucy....for the absence of a woman I would not be here..Women are needed and can preach to other women and children....Yes, they cannot by God's law teach other men or become part of the hierarchy of a congregation. Yet, they are the Backbone of Everything we hold dear.

I get the feeling you are about to pat me on the head and offer me a treat if I'll just be a good girl

 

[BenFTW]

The treatment is JESUS. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1Pet 2:24


Who Judges that they are stable enough?

Is there a committee set? A board of review?

No! Repent and believe is the only prerequisite. And that my friend is between GOD and the believer.

So unless one is not living a repentant life;still wearing their sin on their shirt so that all would see who is to judge this stability to which you speak?

If they ain't clean, they ain't seen. haha I suppose some would like to put up a facade. Its not a good standard to require perfection to sit in the pews, or there would be no one to teach. In which case, hey, women get up to the podium and have at it. LOL Kidding, stay seated. LOLolololol I am just playing, being silly now.

 

[loyaldisciple]

The treatment is JESUS. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1Pet 2:24


Who Judges that they are stable enough?

Is there a committee set? A board of review?

No! Repent and believe is the only prerequisite. And that my friend is between GOD and the believer.

So unless one is not living a repentant life;still wearing their sin on their shirt so that all would see. Who is to judge this stability to which you speak?

The pastor determines if they are stable enough to enter. If a man is drunk and puking all over, then he should not be allowed to attend the service. If a man is freaking out on heroin, he should not be allowed to attend the service. It is the pastor to make these decisions in order to reasonably protect the rest of his flock. C'mon people you can attack my stance here all that you wish, but you know there are times when a person should not be allowed to enter the church. Do I have to show you the scripture on that too for you to believe ?

 

[BenFTW]

The pastor determines if they are stable enough to enter. If a man is drunk and puking all over, then he should not be allowed to attend the service. If a man is freaking out on heroin, he should not be allowed to attend the service. It is the pastor to make these decisions in order to reasonably protect the rest of his flock. C'mon people you can attack my stance here all that you wish, but you know there are times when a person should not be allowed to enter the church. Do I have to show you the scripture on that too for you to believe ?

One way or another, that person still needs to hear the Gospel. That is the point. Let God do His work, in His timing, and do not alienate them from the brethren that God tells them to not forsake. Of course, use sound judgement and keep order.

 

[loyaldisciple]

One way or another, that person still needs to hear the Gospel. That is the point. Let God do His work, in His timing, and do not alienate them from the brethren that God tells them to not forsake. Of course, use sound judgement and keep order.

I never said a word about alienating the person or not trying to help them to Christ. What I said was that it is not a good idea to let just anyone into the service and that is true. All this assuming of what I meant has nothing to do with what I said. Yes, let God do his work and that might require the pastor or another person to meet with them privately at first. Very correct Ben, order must be maintained for the service.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

No one wants to allow junkies to shoot up during church services or have gay sex in the pews.
(Straw man)

BUT

Mark 2:15-17

Luke 7:36-50

 

[Depleted]

Read whatever Bible you choose. 1 Corinthians 14:34-14:35 and tell me exactly what it says.

Before I say what I'm going to say, understand I do not think women should be pastors nor should they teach men their age or older, (thus pretty much cutting out preaching sermons in a regular service.)

That said, if you think 1 Cor. 14 is why, I really won't ever be learning from you either. You've proven you are incapable of understanding the Word past your own myopic prejudices/stuff someone else taught you.

Here's why. Look at verse 35. "If there is anything they desire to learn." You dare to use that to prove women shouldn't teach? Really?

When was the last time you listened to a teacher out to learn instead of teach?

I still don't think women should teach with all the restrictions included above, but not from Corinthians. Paul was teaching church etiquette here, not who are teachers. Why would a woman desire to learn during a gathering? Because she didn't get what the preacher was saying! Not because she was the preacher! Basic etiquette. Even works today. Don't ask questions during a teaching.

Gabby woman here. I still sometimes don't get something and want to ask hubby immediately. Rude. Not orderly. (And, had you kept those two verses in context, you'd remember it was all about orderly, not gifts.) So, to avoid disrupting service, I write down the question and ask hubby later.

Oh, and if he doesn't know either, we're going to ask the teach next time we see him... but before or after church, because not going to interrupt him the next week either.

 

[Depleted]

Where does the law say that a woman is to be subordinate, as Paul says in 1 Cor 14:34?

Titus 2

 

[Depleted]

You were not trained in the way I was trained in the word because you are sitting and arguing the word. Your Bible tells you one thing, yet you sit and believe something totally different.

Well, you were trained poorly in the Word, so maybe it's a good thing not to be trained like you.

 

[Depleted]

If you have proof, then show me the verse where Paul said women could preach in the church.

Back atcha. Show me the proof that he said they shouldn't. (There is, but you haven't used it.)