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Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?
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This is false and leads to very bad implications. Instead such chastisement would be to correct you, so that you may walk as who He has now created you to be (born again, new creation in Christ Jesus, dead to sin and alive unto God, etc). He will not chastise until you confess your sins, that is silly talk.
He wants us to renew our minds, to not use our members for unrighteousness but for righteousness which comes about through His sanctification and a renewal of the mind, growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ (and all that is ours through Him).
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NoNameMcgee
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are you sure ben?
you think God doesn't chasten His children until they ADMIT their error?
or do i misunderstand you?
I believe He can do this first to SHOW you your error
be it through conviction within our quickened spirit
or consiquence
I am saying that God doesn't chasten His children so that they may confess their sins in order to obtain forgiveness. His chastisement will reveal the error of their ways, but more importantly it will reveal the right way that is found in who we now are in Jesus Christ. He does correct us, but He does not condemn us.
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NoNameMcgee
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I do not understand your logic " your death warrant" . LOL forgiven.
you can qoute charlie was a great man buit the context of Forgiveness is as such Jesus said to " Forgive as you have been forgiven.
Jesus told Peter when he asked the Lord how many times should I forgive ? Matt 18:21 :
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
what did Jesus our Lord say ? Matt 18: 35
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
So we are to forgive . we are told to repent we are told
[h=1]2 Chronicles 7 :14[/h]
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
so if you who are spirtual restore such aone in the faith what is it they are being restored from?
what was Gal 6:1 talking about ? in the KJV what is a " fault" ? in the NKJV what is a trespass ?
in the NIV what is a sin?
the Greek says fault is = ( a sin, misdeed)
so why restore a brother if he has not done a sin? what are you restoring him from ?
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eternally-gratefull
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I still think the end result should be our admitting of guilt Failure to do so will hurt self. We are told to confess our sins to each other. Gods wants us to confess and not keep our sins to ourselves.
but I agree, He is not still chastening me for some sis I did 20 years ago because I forgot to confess it.
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Ariel82
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You are reading into my words.....
You assumed I said "in order to obtain forgiveness" when I never did.
God chastens people until they confess their sins.
It's a true statement. Why do you call it false?
Yes to chasten means to show what you did wrong and teach you how to live holy and righteous lives. I have said that more often then not.
To confess ones sins is to admit that what you did was wrong and ask God teach you how to do right.
I have quite clearly stated that we repent because we have been forgiven, not in order to be forgiven. (which someone also told me I was wrong in saying)
Perhaps everyone should take a moment and pray?
It doesn't matter if you think I am right or wrong, but I hope we are all mature enough to actually listen to what is being said,instead of making assumptions and engaging in meaningless strife.....when in reality we actually mostly agree with one another.
you have serious issue with reading . Please show me where I said one loses thier salvation? LOL . You can't help your self. You got to circle your wagon around one typic LOL. You see the problem is today many half baked cakes who sin and do so willfully and thinks God just winks at it
He He does not. So to make one feel beter about what they do and know it is sin they strike up the ole lose your salvation skabula . that dog won't hunt. If you who are saved sin and know it is sin and do not confess That is between you and God . But if you sin and the church elders knmow it you who are spirtual are to Restore such a one . If he dose not repent , for the sake of those others you turn him over to the Lord.
This is why so many have issue with Church today because someone tried to restore them and they knew better. SO they have risen to the level of not needing to be forgiven because I am already. LOL the most prideful comment ever. and no humbleness either.
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Ariel82
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So far I will summarize what I hear people saying:
There are two types of repentance:
1. Repent and believe in the Gospel for salvation
This happens only once
2. Repent and turn from your sins towards God
This is life long and happens as we walk with the Holy spirit.
The next topic is forgiveness.
When we do the first type of repenting unto salvation we have eternal forgiveness of our sins. As we do the second type of repenting we don't seek God's forgiveness but that of our fellow man, because we have experienced the love and forgiveness given through Christ.
Not sure if that makes any sense, but it seems to me folks talk apples and oranges about repentance and forgiveness.
There are two types of repentance:
1. Repent and believe in the Gospel for salvation
This happens only once
2. Repent and turn from your sins towards God
This is life long and happens as we walk with the Holy spirit.
The next topic is forgiveness.
When we do the first type of repenting unto salvation we have eternal forgiveness of our sins. As we do the second type of repenting we don't seek God's forgiveness but that of our fellow man, because we have experienced the love and forgiveness given through Christ.
Not sure if that makes any sense, but it seems to me folks talk apples and oranges about repentance and forgiveness.
A saw a comment the other day about forgiveness on an article I was reading, and the person in the comment section made an interesting observation about forgiving others and Jesus' command.
Luke 17:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
There is a conditional clause. "If he repent" then forgive him. Just an interesting observation, and if you tie it into the Lord's Prayer, the forgiving of other's trespasses then has to do with forgiving people who have repented towards you for their wrong.
I think we should keep in mind that in the NT, past the resurrection of Christ, we are told to forgive others because we have been forgiven. Where as before Christ's death and resurrection people had to forgive in order to be forgiven, we now forgive from a place of forgiveness. Having experienced God's mercy and grace, we extend it to others. To not do so would be hypocritical (like the servant in the parable).
Ephesians 4:32 King James Version (KJV)
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
This forgiveness on the other hand doesn't seem conditional. Sure their repentance would make forgiveness easier, but to hold bitterness is only a poison onto oneself. We can forgive others in being empathetic and sympathetic to them, understanding where they are coming from (and how they got there, such as pain and suffering, heartbreak, etc). Hurt people, hurt people as it goes.
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NoNameMcgee
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i have a feeling all of us on this page so far are brothers and sisters in Christ
lol
may God bless all of you
anyways
is someone who is born again
saved already
made new
required to DO anything (including ask for forgiveness)
in order to MAINTAIN their own salvation?
naaaaah
but we OUGHT to examine ourselfs daily wether or not we are denying our flesh
walking in the spirit
and confess our sins to our Father and give thanks... say sorry... ask for help and strength
working FOR salvation is a fruitless chase that rejects the sacrifice of Jesus
working OUT our salvation is fruitful...and should be an accurate description of any mature brother or sister in Christ
amen?
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may God bless all of you
anyways
is someone who is born again
saved already
made new
required to DO anything (including ask for forgiveness)
in order to MAINTAIN their own salvation?
naaaaah
but we OUGHT to examine ourselfs daily wether or not we are denying our flesh
walking in the spirit
and confess our sins to our Father and give thanks... say sorry... ask for help and strength
working FOR salvation is a fruitless chase that rejects the sacrifice of Jesus
working OUT our salvation is fruitful...and should be an accurate description of any mature brother or sister in Christ
amen?
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eternally-gratefull
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you have serious issue with reading . Please show me where I said one loses thier salvation? LOL . You can't help your self. You got to circle your wagon around one typic LOL. You see the problem is today many half baked cakes who sin and do so willfully and thinks God just winks at it
You take the cake man, I asked you a question.
I never said you did, I ASKED YOU IF YOU DID, in fact my first response to you was IF YOU DID? WE HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES.
about all we have is you NEVER SAID YOU DID OR Did not.
(so it is you who has serious issues with reading)
stop blaming others for your own problems my friend, If you going to do like you did, then don;t blame me for misunderstanding you, You could have said in your first response. I never taught that,
I do not have an issue with elders confronting people in sin, especially if they do not fess up (confess) to it. But as usual, you think I am out to get you, so you can not understand what I am trying to say, and your silly comments just make you look silly.
again I repeat.
IF CONFESSING SIN IS REQUIRED. We ARE ALL IN TROUBLE. (the word REQUIRED is what I was questioning!)
If one can not lose salvation, IT IS NOT REQUIRED. (Hence you see why I asked the question to begin with. )
but at the same time, It is pretty serious if you do not confess your sin. (which I explained in other posts and you should have seen, in fact I said we are commanded to confess our sins to each other.. I guess you missed that post)
try for once to stop thinking everyone is out to get you, and try to understand what they are saying before you go mocking them, ok?
I'm sorry if I misread what you said. If by confess their sins you mean that they would see the error of their way, and come in agreement with God in respect to such sin, then I would agree. He does not condemn, however as I am sure you would agree.
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Ariel82
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He might point out if that sin from 20 years ago is still making it so you can't live your life today.
Like if you really hurt someone and God places it in your heart to try and make peace, apologize and make amends as He shows you.
I watched the movie "I can only imagine" with my daughter and some of her friends for her birthday. The author of the song learnt to forgive his dying father for the abuse he suffered as a child. He had been beaten so bad one night he had to sleep on his stomach because his back was like raw meat slabs.
He said a powerful thing about how the Gospel of Christ transformed his dad from a monster to His best friend.
In the movie, his dad says he is sorry.
Sometimes God brings up past sins so that we can go to those who we hurt and apologize and in that way we can both heal.
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eternally-gratefull
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something that severe, your probably right, But if it was that I was driving 90 MPH because I was in a hurry, or that I did not give my offering that week, because I wanted a new game, I doubt God is still chastening me about those sins.
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Ariel82
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I believe we condemn ourselves more often then God does. I have found many people have the harder time forgiving themselves more than anyone else in their life.
I wonder how many people actually believe God forgives them? That He loves them enough to have died for them? That they are a beloved child of God?
I have found that honestly, not that many people do believe it fully, but many will cry out to God "I believe, help my unbelief".
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Ariel82
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People want to make a checklist,like the ten commandments, but the sin of disobedience is compared to idolatry.
What God constantly asks me is do I value Him above all else or am I double minded?
What is my focus? Him or the world? His ways or my own?
His love for all or my love for self?
I know that there are two judgment seats - the bema is where we [believers] will stand before Christ
"to receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad". So we will receive rewards according to what we have done in this body - whether good or bad . . . why say "good or bad" because there is NO bad! I am not saying nor have I ever said that we will lose our salvation over this -
One believes in Jesus Christ. That person is saved, sins washed away, and no more sin will be accounted unto him - so no need for forgiveness but yet that person will stand before Christ to receive rewards according to what he has done in his body whether good or bad . . . there can be NO bad.
For unbelievers, those in hades, Also called the great white throne. Where people are delivered to christ, Not raised by him, and all who appear are cast into hell
. . . If they are not raised by God - who raises them? Unbelievers are in the grave, they will be raised to stand before the great white throne to be judged . . . yep, I know that.With this philosophy - one can live the way he wants once he is born again and it don't matter!
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