Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[Ariel82]

Hmmm.... I always took that we pray without ceasing LITERALLY.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Seeking opinions on this question.

I personally say no. As all of our sins have already been forgiven, there's no reason to ask afresh. Since God looks upon His children as never having sinned (as we have the righteousness of Jesus imputed to us) our fellowship with Him can not suffer.

Yes,faith In HIS WORD that was sent to earth MANIFESTED In the flesh that men had physically handled although the apostles handled JESUS In the flesh,no we no more HIM In the flesh,therefore If anyone be IN CHRIST he Is a NEW creature and old things have passed away,all things are new.
GOD was IN CHRIST reconciling the world?

 

[BenFTW]

Want to see another conundrum about 1 John 1? Prepare to be baffled.

1 John 1:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

How does the blood of Jesus Christ cleanse us from all sin if we are walking in the light? What sin is there to be cleansed if we are in the light? Do you see it? How can we be cleansed of sin if walking in the light is walking righteously? There wouldn't be any sin to cleanse!

So then, what do we see here? A parallel of light and darkness. Saved and unsaved, that is key to understanding 1 John 1. If we see that a person is being invited into the fellowship ("that we have with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ"), told to admit their sinfulness (and not deny it, calling God a liar), and God will forgive them of all sin we can see, ever so clearly, an invitation is being made to recognize one's own sinfulness which in turns requires their acknowledgement of Christ as Savior.

To make a doctrine of sin confession for forgiveness out of 1 John 1:9 would contradict what Jesus accomplished on our behalf. Even in the Old Testament saints of ole confessed their sin and their iniquity was forgiven them, but we must understand we are under a new covenant. A covenant where our righteousness is one of faith, and our forgiveness through the shed blood of Jesus. To suggest that our forgiveness is through any other means than faith in the Son of God is to trample underfoot the Son of God and treat His blood as unholy (within the covenant) and common (Hebrews 10:29).

If we must confess our sins in order to be forgiven Christ would have to get back on the cross, for the penalty for sin is death and He is that very sacrifice that is sufficient to be the propitiation for our sins (Hebrews 9:26). Without the shedding of blood is no remission of sin. This is why Christ died once, and for all. His blood sufficient for all sin, with an eternal priesthood. He is able to save us completely (Hebrews 7:25).

The implications of sin confession for forgiveness (as a doctrine) is that Christ failed His mission of reconciliation, once again placing a barrier between God and man (the very veil Jesus tore "in twain"). No, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin and we are reconciled to God. This is the truth, and there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ.

I LOVE this verse (1 Corinthians 15:17) because it paints it so very clear (for me).

1 Corinthians 15:14-19 King James Version (KJV)

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

"Ye are yet in your sins" if Christ is not risen. There is no mention of sin confession, penance, or what ever other method people think grants them forgiveness from God under the New Covenant. It is simple. Christ and Him crucified. If He isn't risen then ye are yet in your sins. He is risen! Therefore you are not in your sins.

 

[Budman]

Of course all sins were paid for at the Cross. But not all sins were AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN. That is the fundamental fallacy that you simply cannot seem to get rid of.

Wrong. Wrong. Oh...and wrong.

"When you were dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He FORGAVE us ALL our sins." (Colossians 2:13)

"I am writing to you dear children, because your sins have been FORGIVEN on account of His name." (1 John 2:12)

"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the FORGIVENESS OF SINS: And by Him all that believe ARE JUSTIFIED FROM ALL THINGS, from which ye could not be justified from the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38-39)

"...In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:14)

 

[followjesus]

Wrong. Wrong. Oh...and wrong.

"When you were dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He FORGAVE us ALL our sins." (Colossians 2:13)

"I am writing to you dear children, because your sins have been FORGIVEN on account of His name." (1 John 2:12)

"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the FORGIVENESS OF SINS: And by Him all that believe ARE JUSTIFIED FROM ALL THINGS, from which ye could not be justified from the law of Moses" (Acts 13:38-39)

"...In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:14)

Henrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."



we still Have the new covenant to follow, He died to remove the Old covenant, thats the Only way to remove our sins accrding to the first testament. when He fulfilled the coveanant By dying, for sinners, His testament Began, all the things He spoke then become the testament to follow. His death covers even Non believers sins....But Not all people will be saved just Because His blood is sufficient to save even the worst. it matters what they do. His Blood Paid to redeem all creation, But those who turn to Him, will be saved from thier sin, those who reject Him will not. this doesnt Mean His blood wasnt sufficient to save them. it Means they did Not find His blood worthy of thier Lives. sin is transgression of the Law, Jesus died so that the righteousness of the Law , be fulfilled in Us. He didnt die so we can do as we please and not be held guilty, He died for what we Have done, and what mistakes we Make while following after Our Lord. Gotta Love Jesus in return His way. John 14:15-26

 

[beta]

Yes with the New Covenant comes a NEW way of Life which is ''to no longer transgress God's law/Commandments....PAST Sins are remitted completely so we can start afresh !Rom 3v25.
PRESENT Sins need to be confessed and repented of to have them forgiven, they are not automatically wiped out !
Yes JESUS has done HIS part in all that HE could do but for the redeemed MAN it is a New Beginning, THIS time to become/be obedient to the Will of God and His Word Heb 5v8,9, starting with His Commandments ! Do we continue in Sin ? God forbid ! Rom 6.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1Joh 3v4....which christians have done from the start. NOW they are being enlightened and corrected (before judgement) they should ''turn to the Lord God of Israel and keep His Commandments...starting with HIS HOLY SABBATH...JESUS being our living example !!!
YOUR choice !!!

 

[followjesus]

Yes with the New Covenant comes a NEW way of Life which is ''to no longer transgress God's law/Commandments....PAST Sins are remitted completely so we can start afresh !Rom 3v25.
PRESENT Sins need to be confessed and repented of to have them forgiven, they are not automatically wiped out !
Yes JESUS has done HIS part in all that HE could do but for the redeemed MAN it is a New Beginning, THIS time to become/be obedient to the Will of God and His Word Heb 5v8,9, starting with His Commandments ! Do we continue in Sin ? God forbid ! Rom 6.
Sin is the transgression of the law 1Joh 3v4....which christians have done from the start. NOW they are being enlightened and corrected (before judgement) they should ''turn to the Lord God of Israel and keep His Commandments...starting with HIS HOLY SABBATH...JESUS being our living example !!!
YOUR choice !!!

well also dear sister theres More there " He is the mediator of a New testament" Gods commands are given By Jesus His Only Begotten Son, its what the People asked for at Horeb.

there is a whole new covenant, we do Not follow the Law of Moses way, we follow Jesus way, regarding the sabbath, Yes indeed to observe the sabbath is a Christian doctrine, But.....we do Not observe the sabbath according to Moses Mediation of the first coveanant given at horeb when they pleaded NOT to Hear Gods Word. we Observe the sabbath according to Jesus.

for instance under Moses Mediation, it is unlawful to bear any Load, for any reason on the sabbath, it is also, unlawful to gather food on the sabbath. As you Know sister, under Moses there is No reasoning to violate the sabbath and it at points is a death sentance to do so.

Jesus However Got caught defending His disciples who were picking Wheat on the sabbath, which gathering food was part of the six day work, the 6th, 2 days were gathered so that No one was to work at all on the sabbath. you see this in the manna that fed them. and also written in the law of Moses. Jesus as it is thought He preached the law of Moses again did not, His Mediation is of the spirit. So in other words "Judgement rules over ordinance" if that Makes sense

it is unlawful to gather food on the sabbath.....But is God Our Father prefering that His Children go Hungry rather than gather a Bite to eat real quick on the sabbath? does it really Honor God to carefully do No work, even if its cold to Light No fire or gather No firewood, to rather go Hungry than obey this rule?

Jesus teaches us something No one really understood, God does Not wish for us to see Him through 10 commands of " what Not to do" and given By a Blazing terrifiying Mountain where all are commanded to remain far away lest they be put to death, thunder terrifying sounds only 1 allowed to approach, and a few companions allowed to approach part way.

Jesus teaches us that rather than seeing God Like that, we are to See Him as Our Father who Loves us, and is calling us into His presence, His Loving embrace is waiting for us. can you imagine saying that in Moses law? the same God who took Lives for coming too close, who warned the priests to carefully observe so Many rituals before they came into the temple. yet Jesus tells of God as Our Father who is waiting to run to Us and put His arms around us, waiting to forgive those who will Just turn toward Hoime again.....


there are two mediations, One came at Horeb, with it came a promise that " I will raise up a prophet Like Moses from omong thier brethren, Him they Must Hear I will put My words in His mouth, and will Hold the people to account of the words He speaks" this is a reference to Jesus ( acts 3) a Mediator, is the One in between two Parties, He goes Before One, takes His word to the others and they then Hear it and respond. He is a go between, a mediation between two seperated parties, in this case God, and Mankind. were seperated, because of transgression of the Law of Moses.......Jesus Brought the Law of reconciliation, His testament, is Life for the dead, Moses testamen is what Put us to death.


i agree we Have to obey the Lord, we have to Obey Jesus and His commands, those are the Word of God. the sabbath should Never Be more important than the people.......while we should abserve the sabbath, we Have to Love above all. do I maybe Mow My elderly Neighbors yard for Her on the sabbath Because I know Her Health isnt good? would God condemn Me for violating His sabbath if im doing good to another Person?

According to Moses,,,,yes. According to Jesus, Love covers Sin every time. or Love is < sin always. the sabbath is a cammandment, that we should enjoy, i think theres also an element to God that if you hate having to keep the sabbath......it doesnt Matter to Him when you do it, Because its Something that we do, to Honor Our God, Just Because in the Beginning when He created us and Our world and Gave it all to Us...He said " Keep this day Holy, for i rested this day I am the Lord God , observe My sabbath"


thats really enough for us to Observe His word. He is our Creator Life exists Because God gave it to us.....when did Obeying Our Good God who is always looking out for our good, become something foreign to faith ? we Must see the Judgement of Jesus, Love first. infact to Love others in truth, is to Love God. or an example Jesus uses " the commandent Hinor thy Mother and father".....yet if the tithe or offering takes away from you supporting the needs of your Parents, first take care of them, and then figure out the tithe but Put the Love first even over the Laws letter. Moses taught the letter was More than the Man.

for instance do Not commit adultery...Moses then " the adulterer must die" Because they Broke the command, they were commanded to be put to death. the word is greater than even the person.

Jesus again values the person, even when they have transgressed the Word. the adulterer is Not commanded to be putto death inder Jesus Mediation, the judgement is turned on Her accusers, and she who is guilty and condemned By Law, is pardoned and instructed. There is real value, in seeing God through the New covenant and His truth , that He Loves us and actually desires to Be with us, close to us Live in and with us. rather than Looking to destroy us for breaking the law......Jesus is all we really Need. He will always lead to freedom from sin, and righteousness in the sight of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet somehow you believe unbelief can be forgiven..?

All men are born in unbelief, They have till the day they die to repent and come to faith. As jesus said, You are in DANGER of committing the pardonable sin (yet they actually did)

once you die, Unbelief can not be forgiven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I've always seen a tie between unbelief and blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. It would seem to me the only sin that cannot be forgiven is the failure to ask for forgiveness!

You reject the gospel and say no to Gods gift, Yes You commit the unpardonable sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From what I have seen in scripture if you sin you have to ask forgiveness. If you are Christian and you sin and know that you have sinned you are to ask forgiveness for that that sin.

Well to me this says if you do not ask forgiveness, You have lost salvation. See, how else could I see this? You say it is REQUIRED. That means if you do not, something happens. Thats like the water baptism regeneration people who say water baptism is required. or the lawyers saying obedience to the law is required. Whats the difference? That's why people call it legalism. So thank you for showing why I had a reason to question what you were saying.

Now If we read Rom 6 & 7 we know as Christians we are to be dead to sin. Should we sin more that grace abound more Heaven forbid" the power of GrACE is something we really do not know about however, our relationship of sinning aginst a God who is Holy and HE we not repay the wages of sin is not Biblical.

So your saying we have to repay the wage of sin? See how people can get confused.

we are to be Holy as He is holy

Correct. I agree, But in order to earn our righteousness, we have to be perfect. Last I read. No man but christ attained that feat. when people preach holiness, most of the time they are teaching works. One must be careful. Are they teaching we are to work out our salvation, or work FOR our salvation (to maintain it) so when people make claims like this, they are questioned, so we know which group they belong to. so again, you see why people ask question.

So if we have an issue with sinning in our life then in the santifcation process ther Holy Spirit works with us to show us our short falls .

He reproves of sin.

Amen he does. But this does not prove we have to ask forgiveness, The bible says confess. the word confess does not mean feel sorrow or ask forgiveness, the word confess means to state. We literally state our sins to God.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Uh huh.

Look, here's the skinny. If you have any sins that are attributed to you, that are left in your account, that you must have forgiven, you are lost and there's nothing you can do about it.

Here's why: One sin will damn you. If there is a single sin of yours yet to be paid for, then God must separate from you. The Holy Spirit must leave you. You will not be holy, righteous, nor perfect, as God said all of His children are.

The above is INCORRECT! Once you are saved - you are BORN of the Spirit. That Spirit is born within you - You will never LOSE the gift you were given. It is Christ which makes you righteous by/through faith . . . Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ.

You will not be able to ever be saved, because the Bible says without the shedding of blood there is NO remission of sins. Since the Bible also says the sacrifice of Jesus was a one-time only event, He's not coming back to die for anymore sins, your situation would be hopeless.

Either all sins were paid for and forgiven at the cross, or we're all doomed.

Jesus' blood was shed . . . It's a done deal - God set him forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God. There is NOTHING wrong with people who confess their sins, admit when they have done wrong and ask God to forgive them for sins committed once they were born again. What is the purpose of confessing, admitting one's sin if one doesn't want forgiveness?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course all sins were paid for at the Cross. But not all sins were AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN. That is the fundamental fallacy that you simply cannot seem to get rid of. If all sins were automatically forgiven, we would not have these words of Christ:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15,16)

Furthermore, if Christians did not need to deal with their present sins, we would not have instructions in Scripture telling Christians what they must do. Christians could simply keep sinning and say they have already been forgiven, so "let us do evil that good may come".

what do they call people who think it is ok to sin, and they can live any way they desire? I think Jude calls them lpeople who turn the grace of God to licentiousness. Whose destruction has been fortold.

No true bible believing faith based people goes around thinking my sin is forgiven so I can go live however I please. So please stop with this strawman

 

[Lewiz]

this is directed at CS1,but everyone, why is it people always pick these grave sins when they make this argument, why cant you say if i say a little white lie, or i failed to love my neighbor today, don’t you think we need to confess thos sins also? Or are thos sins so small it does not really matter?

I don't see the point. Why say this one is a 'grave' sin? Sin is sin. I can only see this as a personal interpretation.

 

[beta]

well also dear sister theres More there " He is the mediator of a New testament" Gods commands are given By Jesus His Only Begotten Son, its what the People asked for at Horeb.

there is a whole new covenant, we do Not follow the Law of Moses way, we follow Jesus way, regarding the sabbath, Yes indeed to observe the sabbath is a Christian doctrine, But.....we do Not observe the sabbath according to Moses Mediation of the first coveanant given at horeb when they pleaded NOT to Hear Gods Word. we Observe the sabbath according to Jesus.

for instance under Moses Mediation, it is unlawful to bear any Load, for any reason on the sabbath, it is also, unlawful to gather food on the sabbath. As you Know sister, under Moses there is No reasoning to violate the sabbath and it at points is a death sentance to do so.

Jesus However Got caught defending His disciples who were picking Wheat on the sabbath, which gathering food was part of the six day work, the 6th, 2 days were gathered so that No one was to work at all on the sabbath. you see this in the manna that fed them. and also written in the law of Moses. Jesus as it is thought He preached the law of Moses again did not, His Mediation is of the spirit. So in other words "Judgement rules over ordinance" if that Makes sense

it is unlawful to gather food on the sabbath.....But is God Our Father prefering that His Children go Hungry rather than gather a Bite to eat real quick on the sabbath? does it really Honor God to carefully do No work, even if its cold to Light No fire or gather No firewood, to rather go Hungry than obey this rule?

Jesus teaches us something No one really understood, God does Not wish for us to see Him through 10 commands of " what Not to do" and given By a Blazing terrifiying Mountain where all are commanded to remain far away lest they be put to death, thunder terrifying sounds only 1 allowed to approach, and a few companions allowed to approach part way.

Jesus teaches us that rather than seeing God Like that, we are to See Him as Our Father who Loves us, and is calling us into His presence, His Loving embrace is waiting for us. can you imagine saying that in Moses law? the same God who took Lives for coming too close, who warned the priests to carefully observe so Many rituals before they came into the temple. yet Jesus tells of God as Our Father who is waiting to run to Us and put His arms around us, waiting to forgive those who will Just turn toward Hoime again.....


there are two mediations, One came at Horeb, with it came a promise that " I will raise up a prophet Like Moses from omong thier brethren, Him they Must Hear I will put My words in His mouth, and will Hold the people to account of the words He speaks" this is a reference to Jesus ( acts 3) a Mediator, is the One in between two Parties, He goes Before One, takes His word to the others and they then Hear it and respond. He is a go between, a mediation between two seperated parties, in this case God, and Mankind. were seperated, because of transgression of the Law of Moses.......Jesus Brought the Law of reconciliation, His testament, is Life for the dead, Moses testamen is what Put us to death.


i agree we Have to obey the Lord, we have to Obey Jesus and His commands, those are the Word of God. the sabbath should Never Be more important than the people.......while we should abserve the sabbath, we Have to Love above all. do I maybe Mow My elderly Neighbors yard for Her on the sabbath Because I know Her Health isnt good? would God condemn Me for violating His sabbath if im doing good to another Person?

According to Moses,,,,yes. According to Jesus, Love covers Sin every time. or Love is < sin always. the sabbath is a cammandment, that we should enjoy, i think theres also an element to God that if you hate having to keep the sabbath......it doesnt Matter to Him when you do it, Because its Something that we do, to Honor Our God, Just Because in the Beginning when He created us and Our world and Gave it all to Us...He said " Keep this day Holy, for i rested this day I am the Lord God , observe My sabbath"


thats really enough for us to Observe His word. He is our Creator Life exists Because God gave it to us.....when did Obeying Our Good God who is always looking out for our good, become something foreign to faith ? we Must see the Judgement of Jesus, Love first. infact to Love others in truth, is to Love God. or an example Jesus uses " the commandent Hinor thy Mother and father".....yet if the tithe or offering takes away from you supporting the needs of your Parents, first take care of them, and then figure out the tithe but Put the Love first even over the Laws letter. Moses taught the letter was More than the Man.

for instance do Not commit adultery...Moses then " the adulterer must die" Because they Broke the command, they were commanded to be put to death. the word is greater than even the person.

Jesus again values the person, even when they have transgressed the Word. the adulterer is Not commanded to be putto death inder Jesus Mediation, the judgement is turned on Her accusers, and she who is guilty and condemned By Law, is pardoned and instructed. There is real value, in seeing God through the New covenant and His truth , that He Loves us and actually desires to Be with us, close to us Live in and with us. rather than Looking to destroy us for breaking the law......Jesus is all we really Need. He will always lead to freedom from sin, and righteousness in the sight of God.

I agree with everything you say ! did I give the impression we are to keep MOSES' law to the letter ?
I believe I mentioned the EXAMPLE of JESUS and HIS teaching...was that not clear enough ? HIS Name should be the sacred Word that transforms everything from old to new ! Praise and Glory to HIM for HIS wondrous work for us and in us ! HE kept His Fathers Commandments to please HIM, not Moses !

 

[gb9]

I agree with everything you say ! did I give the impression we are to keep MOSES' law to the letter ?
I believe I mentioned the EXAMPLE of JESUS and HIS teaching...was that not clear enough ? HIS Name should be the sacred Word that transforms everything from old to new ! Praise and Glory to HIM for HIS wondrous work for us and in us ! HE kept His Fathers Commandments to please HIM, not Moses !

and you think you that you have to keep the Sabbath to maintain your salvation, so, you might want to try to reconcile these two things.

 

[Lewiz]

Don't know who you think darkness and light are but I would pray before speaking to my little brother again....cuz we have an Advocate and we know He is the Light of the world.

Hopefully you have the same Advocate.

All I'm saying is a few weeks from now this will be the goal. Already nearly everyone believes no one can put their salvation at risk for multitudes of unrepented sin, and that confession of sin doesn't mean we're repenting of sin.

This isn't across the board, but it is the general consensus.

It seems this thread is more about changing minds slowly than repentance.

That's my real point.

 

[Budman]

we still Have the new covenant to follow

And here it is:

"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (John 6:28-29)

Done and done.

 

[Budman]

Once you are saved - you are BORN of the Spirit. That Spirit is born within you - You will never LOSE the gift you were given. It is Christ which makes you righteous by/through faith . . . Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ.

We finally agree.

There is NOTHING wrong with people who confess their sins, admit when they have done wrong and ask God to forgive them for sins committed once they were born again. What is the purpose of confessing, admitting one's sin if one doesn't want forgiveness?

We have no sins to account for. They are gone. That's what the Great Exchange is all about. Jesus took all of our sins away and gave us His righteousness.

There is no need to ask forgiveness for sins that have already been forgiven - ALL of them.

Yet again:"When you were dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He FORGAVE us ALL our sins." (Colossians 2:13)

All.

Once again, All.

One more time, ALL!

 

[beta]

And here it is:

"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (John 6:28-29)

Done and done.

And you know who is the True Christ among the ''many false ones ? Mat 24v4,5.

that would be a 'relevant question to anyone's believe ! get that wrong and they are lost !

 

[Budman]

And you know who is the True Christ among the ''many false ones ? Mat 24v4,5.

that would be a 'relevant question to anyone's believe ! get that wrong and they are lost !

Are you asking me if I know the Jesus of the Bible?