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Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
J
Why don't you open a "Bible" instead of "ranting"?
I may be younger than you but you are behaving like a "spoiled child" wanting "your way" not "God's way" that is not how a servant of Christ is to be I don't need to read the bible for your sake I despite being young have read the entire bible and have "learned" how to "truly" serve Christ Jesus,why not try a novel idea "making sense" and "discussing" not trying to "hurt others" as I'm sure you may have already,try being "humble" with Jesus you just might surprise yourself.
I may be younger than you but you are behaving like a "spoiled child" wanting "your way" not "God's way" that is not how a servant of Christ is to be I don't need to read the bible for your sake I despite being young have read the entire bible and have "learned" how to "truly" serve Christ Jesus,why not try a novel idea "making sense" and "discussing" not trying to "hurt others" as I'm sure you may have already,try being "humble" with Jesus you just might surprise yourself.
You've missed the whole point! The baptism JESUS is referring to is Holy Spirit baptism which gives "POWER" (Acts 1:8) to perform the MIRACULOUS "SIGNS FOLLOWING" mentioned in Mark 16:17-18! Without "CONFORMATION" (Mark 16:16-20) of these "SIGNS FOLLOWING" one is "DAMNED" (Mark 16:16) and not "SAVED!"
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believe it or not it wasnt too long ago i was a sinless perfectionist
God provides the growth
and without the Holy spirit helping you along the way
it is actually veeeeeery easy to decieve yourself
it didnt matter i went completely through the bible many times
i was still in error
it wasnt until God broke that false doctrine from me that the scriptures all opened up in a whole new way
and flowed in perfect harmony
i spent many nights crying
begging to be delivered from itching ears
i didnt care if i looked like a fool to everyone. i argued with or called a sinner or pointed in the wrong direction
i just wanted truth
i wanted God to show me what HE wanted me to see...
annnnnnd
He has been correcting me step by step ever since
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
praise God for opening my darkened eyes
(yours too young Gracie
)
believe it or not it wasnt too long ago i was a sinless perfectionist
God provides the growth
and without the Holy spirit helping you along the way
it is actually veeeeeery easy to decieve yourself
it didnt matter i went completely through the bible many times
i was still in error
it wasnt until God broke that false doctrine from me that the scriptures all opened up in a whole new way
and flowed in perfect harmony
i spent many nights crying
begging to be delivered from itching ears
i didnt care if i looked like a fool to everyone. i argued with or called a sinner or pointed in the wrong direction
i just wanted truth
i wanted God to show me what HE wanted me to see...
annnnnnd
He has been correcting me step by step ever since
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
praise God for opening my darkened eyes
(yours too young Gracie
)