GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

Jackson123 · Apr 21, 2018

so in your opinion I am stupid, so do in my opinion you are stupid.
You are stupid because you say dead can not obey or not obey the law. And you are dead, why you say you can obey sabbath law. Also why I believe you are stupid because you think I am not observe sabbath. I observe sabbath simply by coming to Jesus, not stupid like you observe sabbath once a week.

Jackson123 · Apr 21, 2018

Studyman said:

What do you preach are the "works or deeds of the law" that existed which dealt with the atonement of sins are?

Was it "thou shall not steal"? Was there an OT law that said; "If you sin, "don't steal" and your sins are forgiven?

No there wasn't.

But there was a law that said; "if you sin, take a turtle dove to the Levite Priest and he will perform ceremonial, sacrificial "works" to atone for your sins.

Paul explains;

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

What is the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith"?

Regarding the Law of Works performed by Levite Priests.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by(Law of) faith without the deeds of the law.

But of the "Law of faith" Paul speaks in this wise.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And again:

1 cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Shouldn't we consider these scriptures as well?

My question is please explain romas 3:28. You not explain romans 3:28.

lightbearer · Apr 21, 2018

Jackson123 said:

He did not call you stupid he said your argument was.

What's worse is that people actually agree with it in that they like your posts that infer it.

Jackson123 · Apr 21, 2018

lightbearer said:

what is the different?

lightbearer · Apr 21, 2018

Jackson123 said:

Doesn't mean you are stupid only that view is.
Anyone can have stupid argument; baseless. Void of any wisdom, knowledge or understanding.

Personally I would not have said that to you. But the fact is; it is.

Dan_473 · Apr 21, 2018

Endoscopy said:

yes, as i wrote before, the law does endure

The law of theLord*is perfect.
****It gives us new strength.
The laws of the*Lord*can be trusted.
****They make childish people wise.
8*The rules of the*Lord*are right.
****They give joy to our hearts.
The commands of the*Lord*shine brightly.
****They give light to our minds.
9*The law that brings respect for the*Lord*is pure.
****It lasts forever.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms19&version=NIRV

if we are led by the spirit we are not under it

Gabriel2020 · Apr 21, 2018

The law that was written long ago was for the Isrealites to recognize their sins and to acknowledge God as their saviour . They were never meant to be abolished, but to serve as a reminder to all sinners that they were lost without God. And they still serve that purpose today.Those are their laws, not the laws for the righteous, because we as believers have our laws which are the laws of God that we have established in our lives.

Dan_473 · Apr 21, 2018

TMS said:

Jackson123 said:

Yes, not under the law

if we want to say there is a law for Christians, I'd suggest this

Galatians 6: 2. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Here is a simple, rule-of-thumb guide for behavior: Ask yourself what you want people to do for you, then grab the initiative and do it for*them. Add up God’s Law and Prophets and this is what you get.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew7&version=MSG

Jackson123 · Apr 21, 2018

Gabriel2020 said:

yep. I believe The law that written in a believer is the core of the law, where hang all law and prophets

[h=1]Matthew 22:37-40 King James Version (KJV)[/h]37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

if you love God you must love Jesus. And if you love Jesus you are save. And salvation is the most important in human life. I believe God write the most important law, in the heart of the believer.

Dan_473 · Apr 21, 2018

beta said:

yes, God's law is written on our hearts

the 10 and all the rest, imo

and it comes out this way

Romans 8: 15. you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" 16. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God

Studyman · Apr 21, 2018

Jackson123 said:

I don't think you are stupid Jackson, I think the preaching that I can't honor God and His Sabbath unless I stone people to death is stupid. And I still do. I don't care who preaches it.

Jesus honored God's Sabbath once a week as His Father commanded and He didn't stone anyone. Isaiah honored God's Sabbath and he didn't stone anyone.

It was Paul's custom to honor God with obedience to His Sabbath and Paul didn't stone anyone. John the Baptist obeyed God's Sabbath and he never stoned anyone to death.

Yet Paul said He died when the law came. I asked you weeks ago about this and you either didn't know, or ignored the question.

If I'm stupid (and I can't really argue if I'm compared to God) for listening to His Words and not yours, then I am gladly stupid.

Studyman · Apr 21, 2018

Jackson123 said:

I did explain what Paul was speaking to as far as the "Deeds of the Law" is concerned. But you didn't care to read it I guess. If you won't read this post, I'm quite sure you won't read another.

valiant · Apr 21, 2018

Studyman said:

Well it was God Who preached it

The Sabbath was observed because it was commanded to Israel. It is nowhere commanded to the Gentiles.

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

valiant said:

Outright false, YHWH said Himself it is for Genitiles and Hebrews alike:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]

Studyman · Apr 21, 2018

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Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (Both) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people (Jews), and to the Gentiles.

You preach the light was different depending on DNA. Paul didn't.

Rom. 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: (Not according to Christ's deeds as many preach)

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

I don't believe God divides His Holy, Good, Perfect and Just Commandments according to DNA or last name. Not because it is my doctrine, or the preaching of some religious franchise, but because of these and many, many more scriptures that teach God Doesn't care about bloodlines.

MattforJesus · Apr 21, 2018

valiant said:

That is true.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both(Jew,Gentile)have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Observe the physical sabbath for God rested on the 7th day from all the work He had done,which means He was done creating but God does not get tired.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

We observe the sabbath but it is a spiritual sabbath when a person receives the Spirit,for this is the refreshing,and the rest,but many would not hear.

We observe the new creation that Jesus went away to create,the New Jerusalem,and behold the kingdom of God is within you when you receive the Spirit,and we are strangers passing through the land seeking a better place provided by God.We belong to the kingdom of God so we observe that creation which is a spiritual rest by the Spirit.

We have to obey the sabbath because they are part of the ten commandments,and they are laws to love God,and love people,which are the two greatest commandments,so they do not pass away,and Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,the spiritual laws,moral laws,laws of love,but the sabbath is now spiritual.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath was made for man,not man for the sabbath,which people are more important than the sabbath,and the saints will not pass away,but the sabbath will pass away.

On the sabbath they could work as long as it was for the needs of other people,and to help them,which Jesus pointed out that it was alright to do good to others on the sabbath,but they could not work for their own interests.

Jackson123 · Apr 21, 2018

Studyman said:

1. Can you prove Jesus honor sabbath once a week, after crucifixion? Remember the word nail on the cross?

2. I never read a verse Paul teach to observe sabbath once a week, can you show me a verse?

3. Your argument Paul or Jesus never stone sabbath violator is not valid. They never stone sabbath violator because They may never meet sabbath violator in they life.

For sure God command to kill sabbath violator and you not do it

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

and you say you are dead, the dead can not obey or disobey the law, and you able to obey the law, it is logically problem.

beta · Apr 21, 2018

valiant said:

God does not have separate laws for gentiles...we are all to'turn to the God of Israel' or we have no part in it and are 'with no hope and without God in the world Eph 2v12....note NT !

Jackson123 · Apr 21, 2018

Studyman said:

you not answer the question. Let me make it more simple.

Paul say we aren't under the law, and you believe we are under the 10 c law. So you not agree with Bible.

Shamah · Apr 21, 2018

Jackson123 said:

1.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proof this is an end time prophecy is found here, for the Messiah has not yet returned;[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 21:30-33, “As soon as they produce leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is already near. In the same way, when you see these things taking place, you will know that the kingdom of God is near. I tell all of you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:32-36, “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches become tender and it produces leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, you will know that the Son of Man is near, right at the door. I tell all of you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until these things happen. Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear. No one knows when that day or hour will come—not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:17, "But it is easier forheaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yahshua is practice:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:16-17[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 24:20, “And pray that your flight does not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If the Sabbath were “done away” or now “kept spiritually in Jesus” why would the Messiah give and end-time prophecy saying it is still relevant? Maybe you need to tell Him the correct way? Unless He is correct...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]His Followers[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment." Luke 23:56[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Paul[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"And Paul, as his manner was went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures" Acts 17:2[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Paul And Gentiles[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of God." Acts 13:42, 44.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Here we find Gentiles in a Gentile city gathering on the Sabbath. It was not a synagogue meeting in verse 44, for it says almost the whole city came together, verse 42 says they asked to hear the message the "next Sabbath."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day." Rev. 1:10 (Mark 2:28, Isa.58:13, Ex.20:10, Clearly show the Sabbath to be the Lord's day).[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Josephus[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philo[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2nd Century[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"It is certain that the ancient[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Sabbath[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Lord's day[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." - A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath, p. 77[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Early Christians[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Early Christians[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2nd Century Christians[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Early Christians[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The primitive Christians did keep the[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Sabbath of the Jews[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif];...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Early Church[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"It is certain that the ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Note: By the "Lord's day" here the writer means Sunday and not the true Sabbath," which the Bible says is the Sabbath. This quotation shows Sunday coming into use in the early centuries soon after the death of the Apostles. Paul the Apostle foretold a great "falling away" from the Truth that would take place soon after his death.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2nd, 3rd, 4th Centuries[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." "Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3rd Cenury[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnized by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Egypt (Oxyrhynchus Papyrus) (200-250 A.D.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath," Greek), ye shall not see the Father." "The oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Early Christians-C 3rd[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Africa (Alexandria) Origen[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to keep also the festival of the Sabbath. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is, a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God (Hebrews 4:9)." "Homily on Numbers 23," par.4, in Migne, "Patrologia Graeca," Vol. 12,cols. 749, 750.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Palestine to India (Church of the East)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As early as A.D. 225 there existed lallrge bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]India (Buddhist Controversy, 220 A.D.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Kushan Dynasty of North India called a famous council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]weekly Sabbath. Some had been so impressed by the writings of the Old Testament that they had begun to keep holy the Sabbath. Lloyd, "The Creed of Half Japan," p. 23.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Early Christians[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4th Century[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"When you are in Rome, do as Rome does." Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan gave rise to this proverb by stating that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome he observed Sunday. (See page 70 in this Online version of Truth Triumphant)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Italy AND EAST-C 4th[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west...For in the Church of Millaine (Milan);...it seems the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme (Judaism); but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus (Jesus) Christ the[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Lord of the Sabbath[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]." "History of the Sabbath" (original spelling retained), Part 2, par. 5, pp.73, 74. London: 1636. Dr. Heylyn.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Italy - Milan[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb, 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'" Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath" (1612)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Orient And Most Of World[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]seventh day… It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Abyssinia - Remnants of Philip's Evangelism[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment." Ambrose, DeMoribus, Brachmanorium Opera Ominia, 1132, found in Migne, Patrologia Latima, Vol.17, pp.1131,1132.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Arabia, Persia, India, China[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Mingana proves that in 370 A.D. Abyssinian Christianity (a Sabbath keeping church) was so popular that its famous director, Musacus, travelled extensively in the East promoting the church in Arabia, Persia, India and China." "Truth Triumphant,"p.308 (Footnote 27). (Page numbers vary in this Online version)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Spain - Council Elvira (A.D.305)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Canon 26 of the Council of Elvira reveals that the Church of Spainat that time kept Saturday, the seventh day. "As to fasting every Sabbath: Resolved, that the error be corrected of fasting every Sabbath." This resolution of the council is in direct opposition to the policy the church at Rome had inaugurated, that of commanding Sabbath as a fast day in order to humiliate it and make it repugnant to the people.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Spain[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]It is a point of further interest to note that in north-eastern Spainnear the city of Barcelona is a city called Sabadell, in a district originaly inhabited. By a people called both "Valldenses" and Sabbatati."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Persia-A.D. 335-375 (40 Years Persecution Under Shapur II)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The popular complaint against the Christians-"They despise our sungod, they have divine services on Saturday, they desecrate the sacred the earth by burying their dead in it." Truth Triumphant," (Online Version p. 261)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Persia-A.D.335-375[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Council Laodicea - A.D.365[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"Canon 16-On Saturday the Gospels and other portions of the Scripture shall be read aloud." "Canon 29-Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day." Hefele's "Councils," Vol. 2, b. 6.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5th Century[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The World[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"For although almost all churches throughout The World celebrated the sacred mysteries (the Lord's Supper) on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Allexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." The footnote which accompanies the foregoing quotation explains the use of the word "Sabbath." It says: "That is, upon the Saturday. It should be observed, that Sunday is never called "the Sabbath' by the ancient Fathers and historians." Socrates, "Ecclestical History," Book 5, chap. 22, p. 289.

and Isaiah 56:1-6 shows Sabbath is for Gentiles.
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GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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