Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[LPT]

Keeping the law is not for salvation, but it is product of salvation.

If a branch abide in the Vine, it will bear fruit.

Branch can not bear fruit of itself. It mean impossible keeping the law make us save, but the sign of salvation is keeping the law, or bear fruit. I believe it is a process, the fruit may not perfect and mature over night.

indeed and that is obeying the law by not breaking them. you do it because you know the right thing to do, it's not impossible to never kill or cheat on a spouse or steal or believe in one God, to honor your parents, to not idol things, to rest one day a week, to not give false witness, to not covet, or to use the Lords name in vein. I mean really people think it's impossible to not do, wow I'm I surrounded by freak ziods or what really those ten are hard to do, good lord...

 

[UnderGrace]

Abiding in the vine, I would not say is "keeping the law"

it is abiding in the One who has fulfilled the law so that we can be partakers

of His divine nature spoken of by Peter.

2 Peter 1:4




So I had to enlarge my font to keep up with yours

Keeping the law is not for salvation, but it is product of salvation.

If a branch abide in the Vine, it will bear fruit.

Branch can not bear fruit of itself. It mean impossible keeping the law make us save, but the sign of salvation is keeping the law, or bear fruit. I believe it is a process, the fruit may not perfect and mature over night.

 

[Ralph-]

A christian needs to follow the law of love...

That's what I've been saying. A Christian needs to follow the law:

"you shall love your neighbor as yourself"-Leviticus 19:18


That is what James says to do:


8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[SUP]a[/SUP] you are doing right."-James 2:8

...THEY CANT KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES...

But you just said a Christian needs to follow the law of love! Now you're saying they can't keep it. And because they can't keep it, they don't have to keep it.

 

[Jackson123]

indeed and that is obeying the law by not breaking them. you do it because you know the right thing to do, it's not impossible to never kill or cheat on a spouse or steal or believe in one God, to honor your parents, to not idol things, to rest one day a week, to not give false witness, to not covet, or to use the Lords name in vein. I mean really people think it's impossible to not do, wow I'm I surrounded by freak ziods or what really those ten are hard to do, good lord...

Yep the the ability to bear fruit or keeping the law is only possible when we abide to the Vine.

 

[LPT]

What of the Ten Commandments do people most struggle with or find it impossible to keep?

 

[LPT]

Yep the the ability to bear fruit or keeping the law is only possible when we abide to the Vine.

Indeed and by abiding to the vine, you are keeping the law, the law thing is really probably not the choice words anymore but none the less it is still what is being obeyed the Ten Commandments by abiding. either way you look at it, it is still obeying by not doing those things anymore, Jesus doesn't force people to obey or wipe out any negative thoughts a person might have, yea someone could get you really mad by hurting a family member and you might have thoughts of killing them but with a true Christian heart you'll come to your senses and start to forgive the person that's the right way.

 

[Iconoclast]

And He did fulfill the Law's requirements. All of them. That's why we don't have to

You do not understand this topic at all. Listing out of context verses is confused thinking

 

[Ralph-]

Abiding in the vine, I would not say is "keeping the law"

it is abiding in the One who has fulfilled the law so that we can be partakers

of His divine nature spoken of by Peter.

2 Peter 1:4

What does the divine nature do?

Keep the law, of course.

The divine nature within us is how we keep the law. The divine nature does not excuse us from the responsibility to keep the law, as the church has been taught to believe. The divine nature is given to us so we can keep the law.

 

[Iconoclast]

@ Budman , excellent !!
But you realize im sure that some still wont get it , and will somehow wiggle the law back in with grace

You also have no understanding here....Christians are not lawless.

 

[Iconoclast]

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


25 [FONT=&quot]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; but with the flesh the law of sin.[/FONT]

 

[gotime]

Its not about "have to" Those who are in Christ simply will.

Christ fulfilled the law in his life and died in our place. If we accept this we are forgiven and reconciled and thus able to receive the gift of the Spirit which fulfils the law in us.

All by grace through faith.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

JESUS kept the law and the veil was torn from top to bottom,now the Issue Is faith.

 

[Gabriel2020]

he did not keep the law, because he was the only righteous on earth and the law was not for him. he was no law breaker. the law was for and is for sinners only and Jesus was no sinner.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

[FONT=&]8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: [/FONT]for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[FONT=&]9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


[/FONT]25 [FONT="]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd][FONT="]So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God[/FONT][FONT="]; but with the flesh the law of sin.[/FONT]

yes JESUS said come unto me,all who are burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest.We love because GOD first loved us.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

he did not keep the law, because he was the only righteous on earth and the law was not for him. he was no law breaker. the law was for and is for sinners only and Jesus was no sinner.

Did JESUS die In vain,I mean why did JESUS die on the cross.

I will say HE died on the cross on our behalf and the demand of the law was satisfied and grace was made available to whosoever believes In the WORD of GOD that was sent to earth manifested In the flesh.

 

[jaybird88]

of course we dont keep the law, Jesus kept it, the 12 kept it, Paul kept it, and we follow that example . . . by NOT keeping it, i call it follow Jesus by not following Him. yep thats clear enough for me.

 

[garee]

The letter of the law as that seen is a work of the flesh.

 

[Gabriel2020]

For us, but not for him. to say this is making Jesus a sinner. No human was worthy to die on the cross for man;'s sins. Only the holy one of God. holy from the beginning to end. He was treated as a sinner by the world, but it did not make him a sinner. he was made sin, but knew no sin.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What of the Ten Commandments do people most struggle with or find it impossible to keep?

It's because the ten commandments were given by Moses before JESUS died on the cross and made the Issue about faith.Under law the ten commandments would have to be fulfilled In our own strength and because of the weakness of the flesh man would have been brought Into captivity to the law of sin and not be able to be perfect therefore would come short of the glory of GOD.

 

[Gabriel2020]

If you struggle ,it is because you have not bound up sin in your life, it is still loose. what you bound up on earth is bound up in heaven. what you loose on earth is loose in heaven,.