GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[gb9]

If only you would practice what you preach, we would agree on this. The fake preachers of Christ's time also read the Bible and refused to accept what it tells us as Jesus explains in the very verse you use.

John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Why not G9? Why does Jesus say they can read His Words but not understand them and come to Him?

Lets ask the Word which became Flesh!!!

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Now we could have a discussion about this, discuss the scriptures, all of them, and we could come to a mutual conclusion. But you and "many" others have been on this forum preaching the falsehood that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by following God's Laws, which is an insidious lie.

I didn't make you preach this lie, I tried to show you where Jesus exposed the Pharisees and where HE, again HE, tells us why the Pharisees didn't listen to His Words. This is not selective editing, it is believing what is written regardless of what some mainstream preachers tells us.

scholars and history books tell us that the Pharisees and the high priests of post- Babylon Judea , over many years, added the 613 laws, all based ( as you have been shown, one by one, by posthuman ) on the Torah, to ensure that God's law was kept.

they reasoned that since the reason Israel was sent out of the promised law for breaking God's law, they would hardline enforce it. but, in doing so, they destroyed the intent. that is history. the only sources that I have ever heard say otherwise are you and a youtube video . you say you have not watched it, o.k. fine. ( you should, it lines up with your wrong beliefs. )

now, here ( I hope ) is something we can have at least some understanding on- the Pharisees real reasoning - John 11 v.48- they were worried that rome would come and crush them, if they let Jesus go on teaching and turn the people to him. so, they were playing politics.

 

[beta]

Jesus never went to synagogue with any of his friends our disciples?

when he went he told them to wait outside?

That same night the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea where they went to the synagogue.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts17&version=NCV

Paul and Silas were very careful not to have any companionship with each other during, say, the prayer time?


I would find those things hard to believe

I was ref to those who were NOT YET converted...of course the disciples and Paul and Silas were converted and of the same belief so OBVIOUSLY they had 'fellowship together.
YOU mentioned people with problems the Disciples met with who had yet to be taught the truth and I would not call that fellowship....so don't mix the Believers all together with the UNbelievers.

 

[Endoscopy]

yes, i understand that Biblical denominations often disagree with each other on peripheral issues.

i was wondering where someone who stays out of mainstream religious franchises worships and fellowships.

Each major denomination has several sub denominations that adhere to the Bible preaching the gospel. The problem is finding a church in one of the sub denominations that preaches the gospel. Two sub denominations that I know preach the gospel are Presbyterian PCA and Lutheran Missouri Synod. Use Google to look up the sub denominations for any major denomination then attend one near you and see if it preaches the gospel. It will be very obvious. Listen to what they say about God and Jesus. If no mention walk away. Then in a gospel preaching church there will be Bible study and fellowship groups meeting privately.

 

[beta]

i don't think that means we would never gather with other believers

Together you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of that body.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians12&version=NCV


So, brothers and sisters, what should you do? When you meet together, one person has a song, and another has a teaching. Another has a new truth from God. Another speaks in a different language,[c]*and another person interprets that language. The purpose of all these things should be to help the church grow strong.*

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians14&version=NCV

Of course we are to have fellowship with ''like-minded''....but not with UNconverted which you seem to espouse.
Certainly Jesus and the Disciples met with these people TO TEACH THEM...not play happy families with them while they were in error !

 

[Endoscopy]

I don't go to the Catholic Church because I don't believe in their religions, or those who broke off her and kept most of her doctrines. But I do not forsake the assembly of Believers.

If I am studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord, like Isaiah and Paul, is this not fellowship with believers?

Careful how you say it. Catholic Church preaches the gospel. Due to their church government secular priest are removed. I totally disagree with many of the distinctives they adhere to but agree to disagree. One thing about the Catholic Church is it has in times past made wrong assertions and never repudiate them. Pope speaking ex cathedral is equal to the Bible is one but that was only done once and it conformed to the Bible. It has never been done in the centuries since. Current actions need to be looked at. One issue is elevating tradition to Biblical level.

 

[beta]

"Are you really going to try and make the case that Jesus "fellowshipped" and sat around singing Kumbaya with the Mainstream Preachers of His time*..."

i believe you are engaging in All or Nothing thinking

when Jesus was growing up and attended synagogue

and the rabbi said Blessed art thou o Lord our God,

our at the reas3on of the psalm

Jesus absolutely refused to say Amen?

Jesus submitted to authority while He was growing up and was subject to His Parents and Levitical Priests.....but that CHANGED when He BEGAN His Own Ministry !!!

 

[beta]

"I have many brothers with whom I fellowship with.*"

great again!

do you meet in person?

what is it with this 'in person thing ? it was fine 2000 years ago but Joh 4v21-24 shows us a 'better way GOD was predicting. You don't see God or Jesus in person so does your fellowship with them not count ? move on Dan...we are now in the Spirit-age.

 

[Studyman]

scholars and history books tell us that the Pharisees and the high priests of post- Babylon Judea , over many years, added the 613 laws, all based ( as you have been shown, one by one, by posthuman ) on the Torah, to ensure that God's law was kept.

they reasoned that since the reason Israel was sent out of the promised law for breaking God's law, they would hardline enforce it. but, in doing so, they destroyed the intent. that is history. the only sources that I have ever heard say otherwise are you and a youtube video . you say you have not watched it, o.k. fine. ( you should, it lines up with your wrong beliefs. )

now, here ( I hope ) is something we can have at least some understanding on- the Pharisees real reasoning - John 11 v.48- they were worried that rome would come and crush them, if they let Jesus go on teaching and turn the people to him. so, they were playing politics.

oh, I'm sorry, you said something?? I thought after I completely shut down your Pharisee / Satanist conspiracy theory, you would have slunk away, after all, that is your pet lie.

Pretty harsh even for you G9.

I don't believe or have faith in your scholars or your history books. I am perfectly fine with the Word's of the Christ explaining why the Pharisees refused to listen to God. The fact that you must go outside the Bible to support your religion makes my point perfectly.


So just to make sure I have this right, you are preaching that the scholars and History books can over ride the Word's of Christ.

So because they say the Pharisees were obeying God's Laws, we must reject the Word's of Christ which say they were "Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men" because their father was not God, but the devil, which I just showed you and you rejected completely.

So the man who chooses Christ's words over yours and your scholars are legalists who slink around telling lies.

Well that explains a lot about your belief and that of your friends.

The Romans were not the enemy of God's People G9. The doctrines and traditions and laws of the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of that time were their enemy of the people.

Can you deny that?

 

[gb9]

Pretty harsh even for you G9.

I don't believe or have faith in your scholars or your history books. I am perfectly fine with the Word's of the Christ explaining why the Pharisees refused to listen to God. The fact that you must go outside the Bible to support your religion makes my point perfectly.


So just to make sure I have this right, you are preaching that the scholars and History books can over ride the Word's of Christ.

So because they say the Pharisees were obeying God's Laws, we must reject the Word's of Christ which say they were "Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men" because their father was not God, but the devil, which I just showed you and you rejected completely.

So the man who chooses Christ's words over yours and your scholars are legalists who slink around telling lies.

Well that explains a lot about your belief and that of your friends.

The Romans were not the enemy of God's People G9. The doctrines and traditions and laws of the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of that time were their enemy of the people.

Can you deny that?

yes, I will deny that. did you miss the part where I said that the Pharisees tinkered with the law to the point of ruining the intent. case in point- when the disciples were eating some grain of the Sabbath, the Pharisees chided them for harvesting on the Sabbath. well, they had took what God said about it, and added their own words, thus making something be there that God did not intend.

that is the commandments of men that Christ was speaking of. and stop trying to hand me the Bible only part of your junk theology. is just dressed - up Hebrew roots/ sda propaganda. if you only study the Bible, how do know about all the " catholic tradidtions " ??

 

[Dan_473]

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I just believe in the Word which became Flesh over you and your religious tradition Dan.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

It's either a lie, or it's the truth. there is no in between. Jesus said the "Truth" shall set us free. Free from what? What one thing did Jesus and His Disciples warn about over and over?

Deception Dan. Deceiving men is what "many", who come in Christ's name, "SHALL DO". You said it yourself. No one believes the way I do. But the whole religious mainstream Christian world believe as you do, religious traditions, man made doctrines and all.

I am on this forum to discuss these truths in fellowship of the brethren as instructed.

Where else was Jesus to learn about Himself Dan? As He said.

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

How did Jesus the man learn this if He didn't go to the Synagogue? They all didn't have Bibles like you and me.



when Jesus was growing up and attended synagogue

and the rabbi said Blessed art thou o Lord our God,

our at the reas3on of the psalm

Jesus absolutely refused to say Amen?

"I just believe in the Word which became Flesh*..."

me too!

John 5: 24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

[Dan_473]

Are you saying the Pharisees and the Corinthians gathered together even though they had many problems?

no, that the Corinthians gathered together even though they had many problems

 

[Dan_473]

Not those on this forum, but others, yes.

good! and how often do you meet?

 

[Dan_473]

I was ref to those who were NOT YET converted...of course the disciples and Paul and Silas were converted and of the same belief so OBVIOUSLY they had 'fellowship together.
YOU mentioned people with problems the Disciples met with who had yet to be taught the truth and I would not call that fellowship....so don't mix the Believers all together with the UNbelievers.

right, Paul and Silas had fellowship together

and this is a good example for us

it is God for Christians to meet together

not good to be a Christian Loner

 

[Studyman]

yes, I will deny that. did you miss the part where I said that the Pharisees tinkered with the law to the point of ruining the intent. case in point- when the disciples were eating some grain of the Sabbath, the Pharisees chided them for harvesting on the Sabbath. well, they had took what God said about it, and added their own words, thus making something be there that God did not intend.

that is the commandments of men that Christ was speaking of. and stop trying to hand me the Bible only part of your junk theology. is just dressed - up Hebrew roots/ sda propaganda. if you only study the Bible, how do know about all the " catholic tradidtions " ??

Yes, I know what your scholars preach G9, and I know how zealous you are for the traditions of your fathers. But Jesus didn't tell me the Pharisees "Tinkered" with God's Laws to make people follow them. That is your religion, based on the words of your religious advisers.. You can not, with one scripture, support this preaching.

Jesus said, and I posted it right in front of your face, that the Pharisees were "children of satan" and that they were "Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men", that they;

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

That they;

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Stephen said of them:

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

They "Transgressed the Commandments of God" by their own religious traditions. They didn't "tinker" with God's Commandments to make sure people kept them as you and your scholars preach.

You accuse me of junk theology, not because I don't believe in the Word's of the Christ, but because I don't believe in your religious advisers.

I still believe we should heed the warnings and follow the Word's of the Christ over men.

If that is junk theology in your religion, so be it.

 

[Studyman]

no, that the Corinthians gathered together even though they had many problems

Now wait a minute here. The Corinthians and the Pharisees claimed belief in the same God of Abraham. In your religion, how is that not the Body of believers?

 

[Dan_473]

Each major denomination has several sub denominations that adhere to the Bible preaching the gospel. The problem is finding a church in one of the sub denominations that preaches the gospel. Two sub denominations that I know preach the gospel are Presbyterian PCA and Lutheran Missouri Synod. Use Google to look up the sub denominations for any major denomination then attend one near you and see if it preaches the gospel. It will be very obvious. Listen to what they say about God and Jesus. If no mention walk away. Then in a gospel preaching church there will be Bible study and fellowship groups meeting privately.

right, i wasn't saying that i stay out of mainstream religious franchises worships and fellowships

my question was for anyone who does

becaus. i believe there was a beloved brother on here who said that they stay out of mainstream religious franchises worships and fellowships

 

[Studyman]

right, Paul and Silas had fellowship together

and this is a good example for us

it is God for Christians to meet together

not good to be a Christian Loner

1 Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godlinessBig churches?) from such withdraw thyself.

Just because I believe in all the Word's of the Christ doesn't make me a "Loner" Christian. Your unbelief or any ones unbelief doesn't make the Faith of God void.

4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

 

[Studyman]

right, i wasn't saying that i stay out of mainstream religious franchises worships and fellowships

my question was for anyone who does

becaus. i believe there was a beloved brother on here who said that they stay out of mainstream religious franchises worships and fellowships

I am following the instructions of my Lord and Savior Jesus, the Christ.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Believe it or not there is only one group of people on the planet who "Comes in Christ's name, who preach that Jesus is truly to Messiah. It's not Islam, or Atheists Dan, it's Christianity.


A hard pill for "many" to swallow, as it was for me 25 years ago, and for everyone who "Picks up their cross and follows Him".

 

[Gabriel2020]

And that salvation we have is finishing what we started fro beginning to end.

 

[gb9]

Yes, I know what your scholars preach G9, and I know how zealous you are for the traditions of your fathers. But Jesus didn't tell me the Pharisees "Tinkered" with God's Laws to make people follow them. That is your religion, based on the words of your religious advisers.. You can not, with one scripture, support this preaching.

Jesus said, and I posted it right in front of your face, that the Pharisees were "children of satan" and that they were "Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men", that they;

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

That they;

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Stephen said of them:

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

They "Transgressed the Commandments of God" by their own religious traditions. They didn't "tinker" with God's Commandments to make sure people kept them as you and your scholars preach.

You accuse me of junk theology, not because I don't believe in the Word's of the Christ, but because I don't believe in your religious advisers.

I still believe we should heed the warnings and follow the Word's of the Christ over men.

If that is junk theology in your religion, so be it.

I gave an example with Scripture about the Sabbath , right out of Matthew. I gave you Scripture straight out of John about the Pharisees searching Scripture for eternal life.

see, all this stuff you do is argument tactics.

instead of addressing what was said, you attack and belittle who said it.

you accuse us of doing what you are actually doing, changing the meaning of Scripture.

have a catch all " you have been corrupted by catholic traditions " so, that you can throw that out, and never get proved wrong. ( in your mind, not in reality ).

always stay in your safe space, where you are controlling conversation instead of having actual debate.

I could go on, but, these are all straight out of rules for radicals and the naked communist.

you are not the smartest person in this room, maybe one day you will accept that.

oh, I am not saying I am, I just I know exactly what you are trying to do.