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IT’S DISAPPOINTING TO LEARN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS CLING OR TRUST MAN MADE DOCTRINES MORE THAN THE TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

THESE SELF-PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS WOULD REJECT GOD’S WORDS, LAWS AND COMMANDS TO DEFEND WHAT WAS TAUGHT TO THEM BY THEIR CHURCH LEADERS.

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you HYPOCRITES; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who CURSES his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. And YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT”

TO THEIR SHAME, THESE PEOPLE CLAIM TO KNOW GOD BUT BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM.( titus 1:16)

THEY CLAIM TO BE ETERNALLY SAVED ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DEAD IN THE EYES OF GOD (rev 3:1-6)

THEY NOT ONLY APPROVE OF THOSE WHO MOCK GOD AND TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDER FOOT.(psalms 49:13-15)

Hebrews 10:28-29 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

BUT THEY EVEN PRAISE THE ONE WHO CALLS JESUS “CURSED" WHILE MOCKING AND INSULTING THOSE WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD AND HIS WORD THROUGH THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL..

“WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS “CURSED” AND TEACHES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORDS AND COMMANDS.”

2 John 1:5-11 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. ANY SUCH PERSON IS THE DECEIVER AND THE ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

“GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED"

“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR.”
How can one reject that which is written on one's heart?
 

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How can one reject that which is written on one's heart?
What is written on your heart? The Law? or oppisition to the Law? I ask this sincerely because so many say the are in the Spirit but the are constantly speaking against what the Creator says He will put on our hearts:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
 
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What is written on your heart? The Law? or oppisition to the Law? I ask this sincerely because so many say the are in the Spirit but the are constantly speaking against what the Creator says He will put on our hearts:

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
What is written on my heart is to serve God/Jesus unto death though it pains me as humbly and devoutly as possible,I have lived only because of him and am guided through his spirit I have desires but inevitably his will comes first and soon his will shall overwhelm me to where I may never be quite the same and truthfully it weighs on my mind because though it brings me cheer to serve him I feel my path shall me treacherous and sorrowful yet joyous and full of blessings.
 
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What is written on my heart is to serve God/Jesus unto death though it pains me as humbly and devoutly as possible,I have lived only because of him and am guided through his spirit I have desires but inevitably his will comes first and soon his will shall overwhelm me to where I may never be quite the same.
Your words sound like that words of a man that is sincere in following the Most High, may He strengthen and guide you in these days.

But I do want to ask why do you fell the Law is not written on your heart as Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 10 explains? Or how do you precieve it?
 

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New International Version 1984 Luke 6:43-46 A Tree and Its Fruit “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
 

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Matthew 13:18-23 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

Romans 10:8-18 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”
 

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Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
 
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Your words sound like that words of a man that is sincere in following the Most High, may He strengthen and guide you in these days.

But I do want to ask why do you fell the Law is not written on your heart as Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 10 explains? Or how do you precieve it?
For if I were to observe to do right by the law I would do wrong by Jesus,though true his commandments and statutes are written on my heart,but not as one who could hope to be as his Lord but as one who cherishes his words and commands for wisdom and in admiration.
I have but begun to live yet I have learned that I can not trust myself, not my heart,nor my mind, nor my flesh I can only trust God/Jesus for whilst in this flesh I will undoubtedly do wrong even if it be in the very slightest and so I realize it is vanity,I have made vows to God/Jesus and them be in good faith but yet in seeking to keep them I tear them asunder and feel like a failure.
I like any servant before God/Jesus have had to come to the reality that try as I might I can serve in spirit but not of myself,for though I am well read in my Lord's commandments and statutes to abide by them would lead me to lack servitude and to be a liar,for in accepting Jesus I can only hope to lead others to him I cannot hope to keep to the law and serve Jesus for I would stumble and fall.
 

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For if are were to observe to do right by the law I would do wrong by Jesus,though true his commandments and statutes are written on my heart but not as one who could hope to be as his Lord but as one who cherishes words and commands for wisdom and in admiration.
I have but begun to live yet I have learned that I can not trust myself not my heart,nor my mind, nor my flesh I can only trust God/Jesus for whilst in this flesh I will undoubtedly do wrong even if it be in the very slightest and so I realize it is vanity,I have made vows to God/Jesus and them be in good faith but yet in seeking to keep them I tear them asunder and feel like a failure.
I like any servant before God/Jesus have had to come to the reality that try as I might I can serve in spirit but not of myself,for though I am well read in my Lord's commandments and statutes to abide by them would lead me to lack servitude and to be a liar,for in accepting Jesus I can only hope to lead others to him I cannot hope to keep to the law and serve Jesus for I would stumble and fall.
Mostly I feel the same as you with a slight difference. I definitly feel that when I sin it strikes my heart, but to me this is a good thing, I am glad that I feel this way. Before I really knew Him, I called my self a Christian but had no real compass, He sent me on a journney and changed me. I feel by Him writing His law on my heart that is what makes me seek His ways and feel bad when I go against Him and His ways. I feel it is the key factor in my heart and mind being one that seeks what is right.
 

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No matter our slight differences Joe, we both seek the Messiah so ini this we do well, may He guide us both!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 17:14, “Heal me, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], so that I am healed. Save me, so that I am saved, for You are my praise.”[/FONT]
 
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Mostly I feel the same as you with a slight difference. I definitly feel that when I sin it strikes my heart, but to me this is a good thing, I am glad that I feel this way. Before I really knew Him, I called my self a Christian but had no real compass, He sent me on a journney and changed me. I feel by Him writing His law on my heart that is what makes me seek His ways and feel bad when I go against Him and His ways. I feel it is the key factor in my heart and mind being one that seeks what is right.
Yes and how terribly sorrowful yet joyful it is realizing one is a sinner and accepting Lord Jesus for we don't want to "learn" that we have been in sin but it is all apart of humbling oneself to him,think of a wealthy man,if you were to tell him that his money was worth less than a penny to God because he keeps it for himself he would be cut to the heart,but to tell a poor man that there is more to life than money he might rejoice.
 

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Yes and how terribly sorrowful yet joyful it is realizing one is a sinner and accepting Lord Jesus for we don't want to "learn" that we have been in sin but it is all apart of humbling oneself to him,think of a wealthy man,if you were to tell him that his money was worth less than a penny to God because he keeps it for himself he would be cut to the heart,but to tell a poor man that there is more to life than money he might rejoice.
Right, and the parrallel as you hinted at, realize we are sinners and let Him work in us, look at the change... It leads me to wonder what the Kingdom will be like, no more tears, no more death... no more sin.... unimaginable, the extent the IDK, I just know I want to be there.
 
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No matter our slight differences Joe, we both seek the Messiah so ini this we do well, may He guide us both!

Jeremiah 17:14, “Heal me, O יהוה, so that I am healed. Save me, so that I am saved, for You are my praise.”
Yes as it is to be here but in the Lord's kingdom I would gather that we wouldn't be able fathom any "differences",Amen.
 

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Luke 24:46-49 He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

Zechariah 4:6 So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty.

Galatians 2:17-21 “If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
 
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Right, and the parrallel as you hinted at, realize we are sinners and let Him work in us, look at the change... It leads me to wonder what the Kingdom will be like, no more tears, no more death... no more sin.... unimaginable, the extent the IDK, I just know I want to be there.
Yeah I think often about that there will be no day nor night and I think of a white light and rejoice in my heart somewhat for here I am epilectic(I have seizures) but in the Lord's kingdom it's such a great feeling thinking of light that "doesn't hurt".
 

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Romans 9:4-5 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Ephesians 2:11-13 One in Christ Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
 

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Yeah I think often about that there will be no day nor night and I think of a white light and rejoice in my heart somewhat for here I am epilectic(I have seizures) but in the Lord's kingdom it's such a great feeling thinking of light that "doesn't hurt".
Endure Yah has more than we can imagine for us

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 49:13, “Sing, O heavens, rejoice, O earth! And break out in singing, O mountains! For [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall comfort His people and have compassion on His afflicted ones.”[/FONT]
 
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Have the workers for done enough today to earn salvation or stay saved....nope

Have the lawyers and Pharisees who push law kept the law today....nope

Have the sinless perfectionists kept from sinning...nope

Does Jesus still eternally save by faith alone.....YEP!

Trust Jesus fully....he saves by faith and keeps us by his power!
 

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Have the workers for done enough today to earn salvation or stay saved....nope

Have the lawyers and Pharisees who push law kept the law today....nope

Have the sinless perfectionists kept from sinning...nope

Does Jesus still eternally save by faith alone.....YEP!

Trust Jesus fully....he saves by faith and keeps us by his power!
Gotta love psuedo Christians that are afraid to say or use Jesus....
Have you hurled enough accusations to show your heart? yes.