GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[PS]

Friend, the Hebrew language goes much deeper than an explanation in e-Sword. That is the beginning but there are so much more

Yes there is a lot more, like for example the earth is billions of years old. To talk in terms of days is silly.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Yes there is a lot more, like for example the earth is billions of years old. To talk in terms of days is silly.

Yes the earth is gazillions of years old and my grandmother was a catfish.... I have heard it all before....

PS just kidding, really

 

[PS]

Yes the earth is gazillions of years old and my grandmother was a catfish.... I have heard it all before....

PS just kidding, really

Yes, well look, as believers we have to be sensible and get it right. Religious people have been laughed at for a long time and there is no need to give them ammunition.

The Jewish calendar is wrong for a start, Adam and Eve were living in the Bronze Age about 5000 years ago, so the Bible is correct on that score, but where the Bible or the translators get it wrong is to say Adam was the first man when in reality early people were hunter gatherers, unlike Cain and Able who were farming and shepherding, and early people were living in caves and go back through several ice ages.

All this because the Hebrew word for man is H121 אָדָם 'âdâm aw-dawm' and consequently people think it was his name.

This is another error perpetuated by the Jews.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

All this because the Hebrew word for man is H121 אָדָם 'âdâm aw-dawm' and consequently people think it was his name.

I know where you are going with this and it would be interesting to know if Adam had another name than Adam.

 

[PS]

I know where you are going with this and it would be interesting to know if Adam had another name than Adam.

Probably he did have a name, 'man' is not a name.

I will tell you what, since I began studying these things, my faith has become a whole lot stronger now the anomalies have been ironed out.

I have to go, back later.

 

[Dan_473]

Gandalf,

just asking,
did you see this post?

possibly related

are the priests doing work here

But the priests were too few, so that they were unable to skin all the burnt offerings;therefore their brothers the Levites helped them until the work was completed and until the*other priests had consecrated themselves

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles29&version=NASB

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Gandalf,

just asking,
did you see this post?

Brother Dan, yes I did but it didn't register with me

I red the peace and what I found was interesting, the first day of the first month is a Sabbath, if we add another 14 days we are at day 15 and the 16th day should be the first day of the new week. The other interesting thing is that this was done on the feast of first fruits.

I hope I didn't miss something?

 

[Dan_473]

Brother Dan, yes I did but it didn't register with me

I red the peace and what I found was interesting, the first day of the first month is a Sabbath, if we add another 14 days we are at day 15 and the 16th day should be the first day of the new week. The other interesting thing is that this was done on the feast of first fruits.

I hope I didn't miss something?

well
the priests skinning the animals for A burnt offering is referred
to as work

it's the same word as used in the fourth Commandment

we know that there were at least 2 burnt offerings every day at the temple

thus the priests worked every day of the week

 

[Shamah]

well
the priests skinning the animals for A burnt offering is referred
to as work

it's the same word as used in the fourth Commandment

we know that there were at least 2 burnt offerings every day at the temple

thus the priests worked every day of the week

This is the important thing:

On the 7th day did the priests do their own work or the work of the Most High?

as it is written:

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

thus the priests worked every day of the week

As they should

 

[Dan_473]

This is the important thing:

On the 7th day did the priests do their own work or the work of the Most High?

as it is written:

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

i think they were doing the work God commanded

i think that's why Jesus said they break the Sabbath and are innocent

 

[Dan_473]

As they should

right,
i believe you had asserted that what they do didn't count as work

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

i think they were doing the work God commanded

i think that's why Jesus said they break the Sabbath and are innocent

Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the Sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Jesus taught them written Torah, they were accusing Him with the rules of the oral Torah.

 

[Dan_473]

Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the Sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Jesus taught them written Torah, they were accusing Him with the rules of the oral Torah.

i disagree

Jesus says
"have you not read in the Law"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew12&version=NASB

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus says that we can read in the law

(not a human tradition, the traditions of the Pharisees)

"that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple*[c]break the Sabbath and are innocent"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew12&version=NASB

 

[ELOHIMLOGOS]

Hello, I did ask this earlier but no one answered it at the time. I was just wondering if someone has the time to answer it now?

I have read the OP and agree with it. So could someone please tell me how we are to keep the 4th Commandment under the new covenant? Thanks for your advice in advance.

I am not interested in arguments thanks as I study Gods word for myself and know what I believe.

Thanks again for your time and wish everyone well.

 

[Shamah]

Hello, I did ask this earlier but no one answered it at the time. I was just wondering if someone has the time to answer it now?

I have read the OP and agree with it. So could someone please tell me how we are to keep the 4th Commandment under the new covenant? Thanks for your advice in advance.

I am not interested in arguments thanks as I study Gods word for myself and know what I believe.

Thanks again for your time and wish everyone well.

Yes I answered you before but here is the same, it does not touch every issue but to be basic understanding using Scripture

The intent of YHWH’s Sabbath is to keep it “set apart” to YHWH, this means doing His will. This is a general overview touching on a number of common topics and misconceptions concerning the Sabbath.


The Sabbath (7[SUP]th[/SUP] day) was from creation, as shown above and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, it is the only Law/Command that sows it is from the Creator of all that is. Anyone can make a list of Laws for a clean lifestyle, but nobody but YHWH can make a Law that shows they are the Creator, and He did.


Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”


“set it apart” is word #H6942 - qadash: to be set apart or consecrated, Original Word: קָדַשׁ, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: qadash, Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-dash'), Short Definition: consecrate


The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments, and we are told by YHWH to “remember” it, yet it seems to be the most forgotten Commandment:


Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labor, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה your Mighty One. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”


“Six days you labor, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה”


The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day is for His will, we have 6 days to do our will. We are commended to “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.” The verse does not say “remember the Sabbath to physically rest” it says “to set it apart.” So then what does this mean?


“set it apart” is word #H6942 קָדַשׁ qadash (kaw-dash') v., 1. to be clean (ceremonially or morally)., 2. (causatively) to make, pronounce or observe as clean (ceremonially or morally)., [a primitive root], KJV: appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy(-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify(-ied one, self), X wholly.


Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions; - Original: קדשׁ, Transliteration: Qadash, Phonetic: kaw-dash', Definition: 1. to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be


Yahshua was doing the will of YHWH yet the Pharisees accused Him of sin;


Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”

John 7:22-24, “Because of this Mosheh has given you the circumcision – though it is not from Mosheh, but from the fathers – and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the Torah of Mosheh should not be broken, are you wroth with Me because I made a man entirely well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”


Why were they not sinning by breaking the Sabbath by “doing work” on the Sabbath? Because they are doing the will of YHWH, the true intent of the Sabbath day:

Isaiah 58:11-14, “YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it.”


The true intent of the Sabbath day is not about only worshiping on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, it is about doing His will and not doing our own will.

Mat 12:12, “And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath.”

This does not teach us to

A. Abolish the Sabbath

B. Change it to a different day

C. Make Jesus our Sabbath (sounds nice but it is not Scriptural)

D. Make every day the "Sabbath" as it is impossible, nobody can set apart every day as holy/set apart to YHWH. 1. Only YHWH can set apart a day, and YHWH did this at creation; Genesis 2:1-3, “...the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart...” 2. We have work, chores, errands, etc. While mowing the lawn, doing dishes, cleaning the bathroom, etc are not sin, they are also not the will of YHWH thus doing these things is not the will of YHWH, the 7th day Sabbath is set aside for the will of YHWH. Any who claim to set aside every day are not being honest and probably don't set aside any day as they clearly don't understand what it means.


Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”

Galatians 5:5-6, “For we, in Spirit, by belief, eagerly wait for the expectation of righteousness. For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but belief working through love."


1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

Yet the Sabbath was set apart at Creation:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

This does not cancel out other Instructions from YHWH, it's purpose is to focus on Him and His Instructions. To use the Sabbath to cease from the remaining part of YHWH's Instructions (as the Pharisees did) is to break the intent of the Sabbath.

The 7th day Sabbath is STILL looking forward to the rest in Yah that none have yet entered, the rest Yahshua offers that none have yet entered.

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”

2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”

Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

For Messiah said:

Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.”

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: *from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because *on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

It is a training tool for the will of Yah that makes us more like He wants us to be, and only those who are in His will enter the rest, in this life and the next.


Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

To sum it up it is a day set apart for His will, now what that is can be different for every person every week. He guides, His path, His ways, His will...

 

[PS]

Hello, I did ask this earlier but no one answered it at the time. I was just wondering if someone has the time to answer it now?

I have read the OP and agree with it. So could someone please tell me how we are to keep the 4th Commandment under the new covenant? Thanks for your advice in advance.

I am not interested in arguments thanks as I study Gods word for myself and know what I believe.

Thanks again for your time and wish everyone well.

The parapharased Bible here makes it very clear
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2&version=TLB

In a nutshell, keep looking to Christ the author and finisher of our faith and take no notice of those who tell you differently.

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13 You were dead in sins, and your sinful desires were not yet cut away. Then he gave you a share in the very life of Christ, for he forgave all your sins, 14 and blotted out the charges proved against you, the list of his commandments which you had not obeyed. He took this list of sins and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ’s cross. 15 In this way God took away Satan’s power to accuse you of sin, and God openly displayed to the whole world Christ’s triumph at the cross where your sins were all taken away.

16 So don’t let anyone criticize you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating Jewish holidays and feasts or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these were only temporary rules that ended when Christ came. They were only shadows of the real thing—of Christ himself.

 

[Endoscopy]

Is this supposed to be some type of insult

I guess uoting more than one verse is bad in a bible discussion forum?

So explain this to me whats going on here?

The point I have made before is long posts on forums are usually ignored. Keep it short and simple if you want it read. 2 or 3 paragraphs at most.

 

[Endoscopy]

Yes there is a lot more, like for example the earth is billions of years old. To talk in terms of days is silly.

There are 2 opposed paradigms.
1. In the begining God created the heavens and earth.
2. Big bang evolution.

The problem is big bang evolution fails 5 seperate scientific laws. Thus the old earth concept is flawed.

OOPARTS is Out Of Place Artifacts
A hammer found in a coal deposit for example.
s8int.com

There is C14 in Diamonds.
Soft tissue in dinosaur bones.
How can these things be with old earth?