Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

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It does say in the book of Isaiah though "Come now, and let us reason together..."
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To reason together is one thing...to insist on your own opinion is another. This is where satan's influence has spoilt human thinking right at the beginning...WE have this strong URGE to BE RIGHT which is from the devil who is a spirit stronger than ours...THAT is why we NEED the Holy Spirit of God to counter/kill it. Speaking the WORD of GOD will achieve that in ourself and others - for it is 'sharper than a double-edged sword coming out of His mouth Heb 4v12, cutting down and out all opposition'.
Of course what is required of us is OBEDIENCE to Him OF OUR OWN FREE WILL because now we LOVE HIM...not (no longer) because we are commanded...that was OT !!!
So...is everybody rushing to obey God now ? certainly not, because satan does not give up so easy..he has for the time got us (mankind) and he wants to keep us...so he finds other ways around that problem and people under his influence are his ignorant followers...to this day !!!
 
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Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

OT scripture and NT scripture both come from God and is truth.
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1) Christ is the end of the Law to everyone who believes (Romans 10:4)

2) Its foolish to return to works of the Law after we have believed the gospel (Galatians 3:3,5)

3) Paul (being even a Jew by birth) said that he is NOT under the Law (1 Corinthians 9:20)

4) We have been released from the Law to serve in a new way (Romans 7:6)

5) We died to the Law so that we can belong to Christ (Romans 7:4)

6) In the Old Testament itself its clearly implied that its obsolete, outdated and will soon disappear (Hebrews 8:13)
 
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If the NT doesn't say it, then we don't participate in it.
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It is not quite that simple. Just because a law or command is not mentioned in the NT it is NOT necessarily done away but may have taken on a SPIRITUAL meaning - no longer observed literal and physical as in the OT....but is in any case still valid and standing. Rom 7 has a lot to say !
 
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Blik said:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

OT scripture and NT scripture both come from God and is truth.
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Blik, I still waiting for your response to my last post. You are right, OT and NT is both from God and is truth. For it seems that you are inconsequent. You defend the OT laws as for us today, but you dont follow it. At least you gave me no answer that you Living according f.e. After Leviticus. And if you cant see that God selected Israel out of all other Nations, then you ignore Him.
 
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OT scripture and NT scripture both come from God and is truth.
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You are missing the point. The entire Bible comes from God and is God's truth.

At the same time the New Covenant has been in force since the crucifixion of Christ, and that does not make any impression on you whatsoever.
 
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I have a question to ask regarding this topic...
Do people think Jesus was a Christian....did HE do all the things we today have accepted as 'christianity ? don't think so...that's why He will say to MANY....'depart from me, I don't know you !

Christians don't know the true Jesus Lord of the Sabbath...they fashioned themselves another jesus called lord of sunday, a usurper and pretender.
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Jesus was Lord of Sunday. He rose from the dead that day. If that isn't something to celebrate what is? Of course Jesus wasn't a Christian. Christians are followers of Jesus. He could hardly follow himself. According to the Bible people started calling themselves Christians at Antioch.
 
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Jesus was Lord of Sunday. He rose from the dead that day. If that isn't something to celebrate what is? Of course Jesus wasn't a Christian. Christians are followers of Jesus. He could hardly follow himself. According to the Bible people started calling themselves Christians at Antioch.
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Seems you did not follow the thread that proved otherwise and that is why you have no scriptures for your erronious belief...all just assumed !
 
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It is not quite that simple. Just because a law or command is not mentioned in the NT it is NOT necessarily done away but may have taken on a SPIRITUAL meaning - no longer observed literal and physical as in the OT....but is in any case still valid and standing. Rom 7 has a lot to say !
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If a commandment is no longer observed as it was in the OT, then the onus is on you to show through Jesus' and/or the apostles' words how it was changed.
 
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Seems you did not follow the thread that proved otherwise and that is why you have no scriptures for your erronious belief...all just assumed !
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Are you serious? You need scripture? For to proof that Jesus rose up on the first day of the week, which we call sunday? Do you not read the gospels ? Matth.28, 1; Marc.16,2; Luke 24,1; John 20, 1 When Jesus rose from the death according your believe?
 
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If a commandment is no longer observed as it was in the OT, then the onus is on you to show through Jesus' and/or the apostles' words how it was changed.
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It is not me who has to prove anything....JESUS in the sermon on the mount does that ! all we have to do is BELIEVE !
 
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Seems you did not follow the thread that proved otherwise and that is why you have no scriptures for your erronious belief...all just assumed !
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Which erroneous belief are you referring to in my post? That Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week which we call Sunday or that members of the Church in Antioch were first called Christians. I would have thought that my quoting scripture would hardly be necessary. Check out Luke 24:1-6 and Acts 11:26

I said Jesus was Lord of Sunday actually He is Lord of every day.
 
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Are you serious? You need scripture? For to proof that Jesus rose up on the first day of the week, which we call sunday? Do you not read the gospels ? Matth.28, 1; Marc.16,2; Luke 24,1; John 20, 1 When Jesus rose from the death according your believe?
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Seems you did not follow that thread neither...your loss...hence belief in a false christ predicted to lead astray MANY !!!
 
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tanakh said:
Which erroneous belief are you referring to in my post? That Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week which we call Sunday or that members of the Church in Antioch were first called Christians. I would have thought that my quoting scripture would hardly be necessary. Check out Luke 24:1-6 and Acts 11:26

I said Jesus was Lord of Sunday actually He is Lord of every day.
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well there you go...from bad to worse...also mentioned in scripture.
 
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Seems you did not follow that thread neither...your loss...hence belief in a false christ predicted to lead astray MANY !!!
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Then what is your believe? I dont want get lost. So please tell me the truth.
 
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That is incorrect. Kindly quote from the Old Testament to prove what you have stated above: "Only true if you are keeping the law for the purpose of justification."

You will not find any such statement in the Torah. There are no exemptions.
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When the law of Moses was the covenant between man and God, yes, you had to literally keep the whole thing. In this New Covenant, you do not have to literally keep all of the law just because you try to keep one law.

When we keep 'love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18) it certainly doesn't mean we are now forced to literally keep all of the law. You only have to do that if you are not in Christ and you are trying to be justified by the law, the old covenant, instead of by Christ, the New Covenant.
 
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If I gave the impression that I knew the Hebrew you learned, I'm sorry. I was asking.

I don't also like your saying I am not checking the source of my information. I never read an ancient history book without checking the authors credentials. I use the computer, and again I check the source of any site. In my town are two biblical scholars, Klein and Spears who are acknowledged scholars. I am certainly not Catholic, but I find they have collected documents that can be relied on. I have also found that two history books can report differently about the same period, both giving facts. It is in what facts they chose to report. Do you take this much care to choose the things you read?

My retired minister who is a dear accepts anything he learned in seminary, although I have found that much of this is doctrine, or interpretation of scripture and not really scripture. He believes what he learned in seminary as from God, ahead of scripture. Just think of the millions of Muslims and Mormons, all sure of the information they receive. We cannot be too careful.
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yes, checking the facts

I believe you expressed the idea above that there were many early writers who confirmed the claim that most of the New Testament was written in Hebrew.

So I'm asking,
Which early writers?
 
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Ralph- said:
When the law of Moses was the covenant between man and God, yes, you had to literally keep the whole thing. In this New Covenant, you do not have to literally keep all of the law just because you try to keep one law.

When we keep 'love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18) it certainly doesn't mean we are now forced to literally keep all of the law. You only have to do that if you are not in Christ and you are trying to be justified by the law, the old covenant, instead of by Christ, the New Covenant.
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The OT covenant was not between man and God. It was between the nation of Israel and God!
 
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If a commandment is no longer observed as it was in the OT, then the onus is on you to show through Jesus' and/or the apostles' words how it was changed.
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As an example, Paul calls Jesus our Passover Lamb that has been sacrificed. And he refers to the casting out of the unholy fellow from the midst of the Corinthian church as a 'keeping' of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (which comes immediately after Passover).


7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."-1 Corinthians 5:7-8


Law of Passover--fulfilled when you believe in the sacrifice of Christ.

Law of the Feast of Unleavened Bread--fulfilled following the Passover in the removal of sin from your 'house' (both, corporately and individually).


See how that works? Now that the Passover Lamb (Christ) has been sacrificed, clean the leaven (the sin) out your house.

You offer up the required Passover Lamb when you believe in Christ. And the cleansing from sin the household of believers receives when they believe in Christ is the fulfillment of the required festival to cleanse your 'house' of leaven that immediately follows Passover.

I can't think of any better way to celebrate and commemorate what God has done for us in Christ the Passover Lamb and the deliverance from sin in the Feast of Unleavened Bread than to use the actual celebrations that God himself gave his people that illustrate those. We don't do that to be justified, we do it in honor and commemoration and thankfulness of what God has done for us. It's not for justification, it's for the honor of God in what he has done. No legalism, no attempt at justification. Just rejoicing and thankfulness before our God in a way that is approved by him and does not have forbidden pagan practices involved (sun worship, etc.).
 
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I mean the Moseatic covenant from Mt. Sinai in book Exedus.
 
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wolfwint said:
The OT covenant was not between man and God. It was between the nation of Israel and God!
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It was the covenant between the people of God and God.

The nation and kingdom and people of God was composed of both gentiles and native Israelites.

The person who came to the God of Israel came to him through the practices of the nation of Israel. Because that was the covenant that existed at that time between man and God of Israel (our God).
 
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