racism to Christ

[MirageLeaf]

Would Jesus Christ accept and respect good racism from a Christ-loving Christian? Please remember that racism is not all the same. I speak of good racism that is not hateful, but rather very peaceful, loving, respectful of human life regardless, intelligent, just, and fair.

It is not the stereotypical one. I believe racism has just as much right to come in many different forms just like people do. It deserves a more fair representation.

It would be better to hear a more insightful and intelligent response than a brute and unsupported opinionated one unsupported by detail, facts, references, and personal explanation. E.g do not say: Racism is bad.

It's better to say: Racism is not very good in my personal belief and experience. Racism denies a person of some basic spiritual understanding of what Christ embodies. Racism hurts a person just as much as the person they hate. Racism disunites Christians in general and fellowship.

I hope to get some good responses back and in return I will try to respond back in this thread with my other thoughts and experiences.

 

[lil-rush]

How can racism be good? Ever?

Racism is stereotyping a person based on the origin of their descendants or the color of their skin. The amount of melanin in a person's skin does not determine their character.

For example, I am neither better than or worse than my father just because I have more melanin in my skin than he does. Likewise, I am neither better than or worse than my mother just because I have less melanin in my skin than she does.

 

[MirageLeaf]

Quick response to lil-rush: You say racism is a stereotyping of another person.

Stereotypes are often false preconceptions that are often not true in reality, meaning they are like delusions. Following delusions are often represented as evil, against Christ.
I believe that there is truth in delusion...when you consciously know it could possibly be a delusion. Delusions are harmless if they never result in negative consequences against Jesus Christ. These thoughts remain as nothing but stationary and dead ideas that take not enough life to threaten Christians and those Christ would wish to protect and take care of. As long as you don't let delusions take serious harmful effect controlling you in a bad way, then they are fine to Christ.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

Define racism and we'll go from there.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Yeah, please share what you feel is racism first.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

Quick response to lil-rush: You say racism is a stereotyping of another person.

Stereotypes are often false preconceptions that are often not true in reality, meaning they are like delusions. Following delusions are often represented as evil, against Christ.
I believe that there is truth in delusion...when you consciously know it could possibly be a delusion. Delusions are harmless if they never result in negative consequences against Jesus Christ. These thoughts remain as nothing but stationary and dead ideas that take not enough life to threaten Christians and those Christ would wish to protect and take care of. As long as you don't let delusions take serious harmful effect controlling you in a bad way, then they are fine to Christ.

The Bible seems to indicate that we should value truth:

Psalm 51:6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.​

Being concerned for truth is a virtue and God delights in it.

Ephesians 5:8–9 for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth)...​

Here, it seems like being in the truth or having a concern for truth is a "fruit" of being transformed by Christ.

The importance of truth is implied in that Jesus is the personification of truth:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.​

Moreover, consider how truth is spoken of in the following passages:

John 14:16–17 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Ephesians 4:25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

James 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.​

Granted, one might say particular truths are being spoken of here and there. But the over all attitude towards truth in the Bible is clearly a very positive one.

Furthermore, we often thing persons have some obligation (an ethical one?) to follow the truth and be logical.

For example, if I gave you the following argument:

1. All men are mortal.
2. Socrates is a man.
3. Socrates is a mortal.

Most people think you are under some obligation to accept 3 if you accept 1 and 2. If you don't you are cast as irrational and stupid, neither of which is a positive. If you don't accept 3, having accepted 1 and 2, you are not functioning properly.

After all, why did God create us as rational cognizers? Presumably it was so that our thoughts could correspond to reality. If that's the case, then we only function properly, as we were designed to, when our ideas correspond to reality.

So why should we entertain stationary and dead ideas when we could have ideas which correspond to reality? If the idea is as impotent as you suggest, what's the motive for holding onto it?

 

[MirageLeaf]

Quick Reply to Credo_ut_Intelligam:

I have already described the good racism of focus in this thread. It is ideal. What has history taught us? Racism back in the past was this way with slavery and civil rights movements. Racism gets a bad reputation. Good racism is a lot more advanced in nature. It is the racism of the future. I do not think those racist people of the past were of good intelligence that is enough to express it good enough and properly. They merely existed to help racist ideology advance through allowing people to examine them and their various documented actions and behaviors to help the future refine themselves by seeing what is real and what exists in this world.

Just like science can be used to help us make better food for our loved ones and families, these racist ideologies of the past and present can also be used as sources of inspiration and things to help us be better in development to Christ.

Good racism is like something that can help me. It allows me to better understand Christ by devoting myself more to Christ and not to chaos, which is shown through the multiple religions, ethnic backgrounds, and racial characteristics found in others that are plainly chaotic because they lack simplicity and order. Good racism allows me not to waste my time being persecuted by the bad racists and with people that are not pure with Christ and that do not help me to better develop relationships to Christ, making me lose my focus.

Look at everything around you. There is diversity everywhere you look. It is not solely restricted to race and color. We see wide-screen televisions, color tv's, doors, ink printers, money, atoms, black sky,water jugs, buildings, high rise buildings, cars, people, fast moving light, blinking lights, airplanes, helicopters, guns, violence, vivid imagery, elevators, boxes, animals, laughter, smiling, frowning, sickness, sorrow, emotions, tunnels, empty black space, toilets, public places where people gather, people in disguises, drugs, blinking lights, color, crayons, art.....

Separation is important in finding truth. Imagine looking through a huge pile of hay searching for a needle. You can not find it because there are too many things that hide the important thing. That is why you must take out the things that hide it, similarly to taking out races of different color out of our lives. I think this is supported by the Bible. One day at the church, I think heard the priest talking about it.

Good racism is loving all people regardless of race. Good racism is loving both your enemies and your friends. You treat everybody with the same level of respect yet maintain more preference for your own kind, your own people, your own blood linked family members who are the same race as yourself, obviously. Good racism allows you to love in the aspect of professionalism and maturity to other races but never develop a relationship of physicality in which you have children with them or see them everyday in person by which you talk to them one-on-one.

Good racism is moderation and what you can take on reasonably and intelligently.

It is wiser to first take care of your own first that you do see right now at this moment, than to wander and just leave them to dust while you just go meandering to someone else that is different and help them. There is no order and nothing gets done right. Accept difference.

Good racism involves good ethics and morals. You don't have to see someone in person to show them that you love them.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

We are not supposed to develop relationships with someone of a different race??


(I'm really confused. Sorry?)

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

Quick Reply to Credo_ut_Intelligam:

I have already described the good racism of focus in this thread. It is ideal.

I don't see where you did. Why don't you repeat it for me.

What has history taught us? Racism back in the past was this way with slavery and civil rights movements. Racism gets a bad reputation. Good racism is a lot more advanced in nature. It is the racism of the future. I do not think those racist people of the past were of good intelligence that is enough to express it good enough and properly. They merely existed to help racist ideology advance through allowing people to examine them and their various documented actions and behaviors to help the future refine themselves by seeing what is real and what exists in this world.

I'm glad to see the racists have evolved beyond being dumber than a block of rocks. They've graduated to being as dumb as a bucket of coal.

Just like science can be used to help us make better food for our loved ones and families, these racist ideologies of the past and present can also be used as sources of inspiration and things to help us be better in development to Christ.

Good racism is like something that can help me. It allows me to better understand Christ by devoting myself more to Christ and not to chaos, which is shown through the multiple religions, ethnic backgrounds, and racial characteristics found in others that are plainly chaotic because they lack simplicity and order. Good racism allows me not to waste my time being persecuted by the bad racists and with people that are not pure with Christ and that do not help me to better develop relationships to Christ, making me lose my focus.

I'm getting the impression that an attempted conversation would be pointless.

Look at everything around you. There is diversity everywhere you look. It is not solely restricted to race and color. We see wide-screen televisions, color tv's, doors, ink printers, money, atoms, black sky,water jugs, buildings, high rise buildings, cars, people, fast moving light, blinking lights, airplanes, helicopters, guns, violence, vivid imagery, elevators, boxes, animals, laughter, smiling, frowning, sickness, sorrow, emotions, tunnels, empty black space, toilets, public places where people gather, people in disguises, drugs, blinking lights, color, crayons, art.....

You're right... Whenever I walk into Walmart I see all the big screen TVs segregated into one isle and the small screen TVs segregated into a different isle (the back isle). It's like racism is built into the very fabric of our society!

Separation is important in finding truth. Imagine looking through a huge pile of hay searching for a needle. You can not find it because there are too many things that hide the important thing. That is why you must take out the things that hide it, similarly to taking out races of different color out of our lives. I think this is supported by the Bible. One day at the church, I think heard the priest talking about it.

Gee willikers, it just truck me!! I failed trigonometry only because of all those Asian kids were sitting around me.

Good racism is loving all people regardless of race. Good racism is loving both your enemies and your friends. You treat everybody with the same level of respect yet maintain more preference for your own kind, your own people, your own blood linked family members who are the same race as yourself, obviously. Good racism allows you to love in the aspect of professionalism and maturity to other races but never develop a relationship of physicality in which you have children with them or see them everyday in person by which you talk to them one-on-one.

Doesn't the parable of the Good Samaritan teach us that our neighbor is whoever is in need? If what you are saying is correct, then doesn't Jesus' parable fail to get the point across? Couldn't one of the Jews have just objected to Jesus' parable with "But, Jesus, the Samaritan had an obligation to his fellow Samaritans, but not a Jew. I mean, what if the Samaritan wasted his resources on that Jew when he could have helped a more deserving Samaritan?" It seems clear that we have special obligations to our family members that we don't have to other persons in society, but I don't see where we have special obligations to our race.

Good racism is moderation and what you can take on reasonably and intelligently...Good racism involves good ethics and morals.

These are some amusing sentences.The Christian philosopher Gertrude Anscombe once said that there are some positions so ridiculous that we shouldn't dignify them with a debate. She was probably right...

 

[MirageLeaf]

I wasn't dignifying it. I wasn't dignifying it to you. OK, you hate racism. Whatever. Go believe whatever you want to believe and I will believe what I want to.

Christ is the one I really want to love the most, not some idea or human.

 

[lil-rush]

Good racism is loving all people regardless of race. Good racism is loving both your enemies and your friends. You treat everybody with the same level of respect yet maintain more preference for your own kind, your own people, your own blood linked family members who are the same race as yourself, obviously. Good racism allows you to love in the aspect of professionalism and maturity to other races but never develop a relationship of physicality in which you have children with them or see them everyday in person by which you talk to them one-on-one.

I'm biracial. Where does that leave me?

QQ, what is your racial background?

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

I'm biracial. Where does that leave me?

QQ, what is your racial background?

That's easy: spawn of Satan.

 

[MirageLeaf]

Credo_ut_Intelligam, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it, just leave this thread, and read another one or something.

What you say to me is very disrespectful. You don't owe me anything. I get it. I don't owe you anything either.

You chose to read my thread on your own.

Look at the things you say to me all out of disrespect and your anger. Did I ever say anything that was really attacking?

If you choose to read something that is like very hard to digest, don't read it.

If you choose to learn a million years of knowledge and wisdom in an instant and end up dying from it, why did you do it?

You disrespect me, because these things I am saying are beyond you. You can not handle it without resorting to this.

I never asked you to read it or respond in a message.

What are you going to do about me?

So what if I'm different and I'm not normal like you and everybody else? So what if I can't get a girlfriend like you and get married normally or at least get it from a normal girl? I live a life. Maybe it's different from what you are used to. So what if I have to live my life like this? So what if I'm a freak? Maybe I want to live in abnormal isolation from others at home all day, physically and even do that for most of the people of my own race, with me just having to only see them more in real-time life than I see white people, black people, Latin American, or Chinese. To you is it a prison? This is why I want to get by perfectly well on my own without overt dependence on anybody. I don't need a grocery store to live. All I will want later is my single race church when I go outside my house. Are they racist for this?

I don't have many friends like you. My only human friend that counts as a friend is my race and ethnicity.

 

[lil-rush]

That's easy: spawn of Satan.

laugh out loud (I'd say "lol" but that's too short to post)

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Do you not associate with people of different race??


A single race church? do they not allow people that are not the same color as them there?

 

[MirageLeaf]

I have to retire from this thread and message board for now. It's 12 AM here. It would make me look weird to keep posting like I don't sleep at night. I'll probably continue tomorrow.

 

[lil-rush]

QQ, what is your racial background?

still waiting on a response to this one

 

[lil-rush]

It would make me look weird to keep posting like I don't sleep at night.

Because saying you support racism doesn't make you look weird?

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Because saying you support racism doesn't make you look weird?

+1 for lil rush

 

[Shyness]

Racism is hatred and prejudice against someone just because of the color of their skin. The bible says we are not to judge or condemn one another and we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Matthew 7:1-5.

This is what it really means to be a real friend

I define Real Friendship as:

1. Always understanding and will always care and be there for you even during the worst times in your life especially when everyone else turns their back on you and walks away. This also means that a real friend will always be there for you and support you even if everyone else abandons you.
2. Always honest and will never lie to you and will always keep their promises.
3. Always helps you out and someone you can always depend on especially in a time of need.
4. Will always stand up for what is right no matter what anyone else thinks or says.
5. Always open minded and open hearted and will always listen to you.
6. Accepts you, respects you, and appreciates you for the person you are on the inside and will always be a friend to you no matter what other people say or think. Real beauty of a person is determined only by what is on the inside rather than the outside.
7. A person who is beautiful on the inside is very attractive no matter what they look like on the outside. A person who is beautiful on the inside is one who has a wonderful heart and who fits the all of the above criteria. Your looks, gender, race, color, national origin, religion, beliefs, cultural background, disability, etc. does not matter to a real friend because a real friend will always accept, appreciate, and respect you as you are.