Oh goody another OSAS thread!

[Gabriel2020]

The most important thing for a Christian is trying to save another soul that is lost. That is all the apostles did when they approached strangers,. other than that, those that got saved through them ,they wrote letters of encoragement, or letters of scorn for their behavior. Jesus sole person was to save souls, and that is what he wants us to do as well. Nothing else really matters, because saved or lost, the soul will be eternal.,and everything else destroyed.

 

[preston39]

.................. Someone who has repented, no longer WANTS to sin, although they will struggle with sin their entire Christian life, to one degree or another. However, when they DO sin, it does not result in God rescinding all His promises about their security in Christ.

A....,

Not biblical;

Scripture;....." sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present"....

Sin is present until we request forgiveness. That is the reason the Lords daily prayer includes..."forgive us of our tress passes as we forgive those who tress passes against us".......

 

[AMIKIND]

preston39, I can't find that Scripture you just quoted. Could you supply the reference for that? The closest thing Google gives me is Hebrews 10:17-18 which, actually, says the opposite. It says, " Their sins and lawless accts I will remember no more, and where these have been foriven, sacrifice for sin is NO LONGER NECESSARY."

 

[AMIKIND]

"He does not need to offer sacrifices day after day for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for thier sins ONCE FOR ALL when he offered himself." Heb. 7:27

 

[AMIKIND]

It's a "positional" and "relational" thing. Positionally, we are in Christ, and have been clothed in His righteousness, with all our sins forgiven, past, present and future. Relationally, we need to constantly ask forgiveness when we realize we have sinned, so we can maintain a close relationship with the one who, positionally, sees us as sinless, because we have become His righteusness. In the spiritual world, we are now sinless......and completely forgiven. He has exchanged our sin for His righteousness. In the physical world, where we live in sin's domain, we continue to struggle with sin, and need to ask forgiveness as we continue our walk with the Lord.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Do you present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God?

 

[Cee]

Do you present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God?

I do, here’s a few for you to consider do you take care of widows and orphans? Do you feed and pray for the poor? Do you rejoice always, pray without ceasing, and are you thankful in every circumstance?

 

[Gabriel2020]

That is all wrapped up in presenting my body as a living sacrifice ,holy and acceptable to God. Not all these things come within my path,but those that do, I do not turn away.

 

[Cee]

I run across many poor people in the state of California, I’ve not done as much as I could, but honestly we can always do more. However one thing I do strive for is rejoice always, pray always, and always be thankful, these are things I can do anytime regardless of what comes my way or not. Scripture teaches whether word or deed we do it all to the Lord.

People who fight against OSAS usually use a barometer that they are easily above. To the person who only lies sometimes, you are saved if you don’t commit murder, but how about the vast amount of work in Africa and other nations, plenty of those people are lost and consigned to judgment, what if you are only a true believer if you are willing to die for the gospel? This was a common teaching in the early church days. Some would say you can repent one time and there was no repentance left.

If this is what true faith looked like, I bet you would be happy to know OSAS exists, but if you’re judging your life in comparison to others and that you’re not like them? Well Jesus spoke against that also.

Jesus says simply calling someone an “idiot” (raca) made one in danger of hellfire. You ever call someone an idiot or been angry in your heart or looked at a woman lustfully? I know I have. I’m happy to know I’m still saved, aren’t you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I run across many poor people in the state of California, I’ve not done as much as I could, but honestly we can always do more. However one thing I do strive for is rejoice always, pray always, and always be thankful, these are things I can do anytime regardless of what comes my way or not. Scripture teaches whether word or deed we do it all to the Lord.

People who fight against OSAS usually use a barometer that they are easily above. To the person who only lies sometimes, you are saved if you don’t commit murder, but how about the vast amount of work in Africa and other nations, plenty of those people are lost and consigned to judgment, what if you are only a true believer if you are willing to die for the gospel? This was a common teaching in the early church days. Some would say you can repent one time and there was no repentance left.

If this is what true faith looked like, I bet you would be happy to know OSAS exists, but if you’re judging your life in comparison to others and that you’re not like them? Well Jesus spoke against that also.

Jesus says simply calling someone an “idiot” (raca) made one in danger of hellfire. You ever call someone an idiot or been angry in your heart or looked at a woman lustfully? I know I have. I’m happy to know I’m still saved, aren’t you?

Amen, i think the problem is understanding what sin is, they revert to some written code, and think, well i keep that code so i must be ok, not realising the whole time, they have been sinning, and do not even see it, (thus justifying it)while at the same time judging others.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Presenting you body as a living sacrifice is presenting yourself to serve all people, to sacrifice your needs for the needs of others, many claim to do it, i wonder if we were placed under a microscope how many we find really do it out of pure love for God and others, and not as some legalistic requirement.

 

[Ralph-]

If this is what true faith looked like, I bet you would be happy to know OSAS exists

I think you just tipped your hand here, Cee.

Are you suggesting that 'once saved always saved' makes it so faith doesn't have to look a certain way because you're still saved no matter if it looks a certain way or not?

Shouldn't you have rather pointed out what true faith looks like rather than suggesting once saved always saved makes it so your faith doesn't have to look a certain way?

Jesus says simply calling someone an “idiot” (raca) made one in danger of hellfire. You ever call someone an idiot or been angry in your heart or looked at a woman lustfully? I know I have. I’m happy to know I’m still saved, aren’t you?

Does once saved always saved make it so we can have contempt for a person and still be safe? Is grace a license for us to now be able to have contempt for people?

I know one would get that impression by how people act in this forum but grace was given to us so we are able to not show contempt for people. 'Once saved always saved' is a dangerous doctrine because it teaches people that faith doesn't have to look a certain way in a person's life. Well, it does have to look a certain way. And the consequences are eternal if it doesn't.

Grace covers us in the growth process but to think it relieves us of certain responsibilities is a lie straight from hell.

 

[RickyZ]

Thank you, Ben, you explained that very well That false correlation has been pointed out too many times to count, so it would seem they refuse correction, and prefer their lie instead, and yet probably believe they are going to heaven, too, despite their repeated sin. Funny how that works, huh?

But nobody listens.

Believing OSAS does NOT mean you have a license to sin.

Just like believing you can lose salvation does not mean you have to work your way in or to stay in.

But nooooooooobody listens. What's in people's heads is what's going to STAY in people's heads. Despite any argument, evidence, or statement to the contrary.

Which is why, AGAIN, THIS IS A USELESS TOPIC THAT ENGENDERS NOTHING MORE THAN ENDLESS DEBATE, STRIFE, AND WASTED ENERGY THAT COULD BE USED ON MORE FRUITFUL ENDEAVORS.

 

[Magenta]

But nobody listens.

Believing OSAS does NOT mean you have a license to sin.

Just like believing you can lose salvation does not mean you have to work your way in or to stay in.

But nooooooooobody listens. What's in people's heads is what's going to STAY in people's heads. Despite any argument, evidence, or statement to the contrary.

Which is why, AGAIN, THIS IS A USELESS TOPIC THAT ENGENDERS NOTHING MORE THAN ENDLESS DEBATE, STRIFE, AND WASTED ENERGY THAT COULD BE USED ON MORE FRUITFUL ENDEAVORS.

I understand what you are saying It is like there is a natural tension between the two sides and neither seems willing to grant that there is a measure of truth in that which they oppose. However, those measures come with caveats, and discussing them can make it seem as if it is all semantics, when obviously it is more than that. We may make no headway with those we seem to oppose, but there may be onlookers who are encouraged and/or edified by the discussions, even if we ourselves sometimes tire and get discouraged in the course of them

 

[SpoonJuly]

I think you just tipped your hand here, Cee.

Are you suggesting that 'once saved always saved' makes it so faith doesn't have to look a certain way because you're still saved no matter if it looks a certain way or not?

Shouldn't you have rather pointed out what true faith looks like rather than suggesting once saved always saved makes it so your faith doesn't have to look a certain way?




Does once saved always saved make it so we can have contempt for a person and still be safe? Is grace a license for us to now be able to have contempt for people?

I know one would get that impression by how people act in this forum but grace was given to us so we are able to not show contempt for people. 'Once saved always saved' is a dangerous doctrine because it teaches people that faith doesn't have to look a certain way in a person's life. Well, it does have to look a certain way. And the consequences are eternal if it doesn't.

Grace covers us in the growth process but to think it relieves us of certain responsibilities is a lie straight from hell.

To doubt that Jesus has the power to keep one saved even when that person gives in to temptation is a dangerous doctrine and is a lie straight out of Hell.

I find it laughable that those who believe a person can lose salvation never have lost salvation. Never had to be saved again.

 

[RickyZ]

As an onlooker I an neither encouraged nor edified by endless debates that go nowhere. And I have to imagine that new Christians, and those on the fence, don't find these things encouraging either - if we 'old timers' can't peacefully agree on an issue, what chance does a newby have?

 

[SpoonJuly]

As an onlooker I an neither encouraged nor edified by endless debates that go nowhere. And I have to imagine that new Christians, and those on the fence, don't find these things encouraging either - if we 'old timers' can't peacefully agree on an issue, what chance does a newby have?

While you see no value in this debate, I believe it of upmost importance
To teach that salvation can be lost or given back makes Jesus a liar and a weak Savior.
Satan wants us to doubt the power of our Lord.

 

[Magenta]

As an onlooker I an neither encouraged nor edified by endless debates that go nowhere. And I have to imagine that new Christians, and those on the fence, don't find these things encouraging either - if we 'old timers' can't peacefully agree on an issue, what chance does a newby have?

Ricky, you are more than an onlooker, since you are an active member Of course, there are conversations or discussions I do not involve myself in, so if I look in on any of those threads, I am often simply an onlooker There have been people who are new in their walk as Christians who have been edified and greatly encouraged by what they have found in the most caustic of debates.

 

[RickyZ]

To teach that salvation can be lost or given back makes Jesus a liar and a weak Savior.

Another false assumption that is never going to be acknowledged as such, despite numerous scriptures/arguments to the contrary.

Again, no one who inhabits these pages is ever going to be swayed the other way. I've been here for years and have never seen anyone change opinion on this subject. In the meantime, it only confuses new believers who need stability not uncertainty.

 

[RickyZ]

Ricky, you are more than an onlooker, since you are an active member Of course, there are conversations or discussions I do not involve myself in, so if I look in on any of those threads, I am often simply an onlooker There have been people who are new in their walk as Christians who have been edified and greatly encouraged by what they have found in the most caustic of debates.

Sadly, I'm mostly an onlooker these days, since I'm tired of having every. single. thing. I. say. turned into an argument.