GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Here is "how" God's 4th commandment was observed under the law of Moses.
14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15
- Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
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32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36
- “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.”
Is this how the Church is to observe God's 4th commandment under the New Covenant?
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Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
*These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).
If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
*These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).
If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
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Guess what? We ALL stand guilty before God because ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). So what is the solution? Mix law and grace and teach salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works?" NO!
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I never said God separated His Law into a half a dozen parts. I simply posted the Biblical Truth that Moses gave Israel commands from God, and He also separated the Tribe of Israel called Levites unto Himself, and gave them specific Laws the rest of Israel didn't have.
If this Biblical truth stings you, or exposes your religion as from man, and not from God, maybe you should spend more time in repentance, and less time ridiculing those who actually believe what is written in the Word.
If this Biblical truth stings you, or exposes your religion as from man, and not from God, maybe you should spend more time in repentance, and less time ridiculing those who actually believe what is written in the Word.
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The answer is to live by Every Word of God, at least that is what Jesus said.
3Luke 13: I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
So, according to My Jesus, no repentance, no Grace.
But some on this forum don't believe in these Word's, they are always quoting Paul as if he teaches differently. But does he?
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
We all know the serpent will try, by using some of God's Word, to deceive us into NOT following the Christ and His instructions.
So while it is true that we have all sinned. The Good News is, we can be forgiven this sin if we change from our ways to God's ways.
Not the ways of some religion which "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions" but the true righteousness which God created (Not Man) beforehand that we should walk in them.
Eph. 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of (Mans) works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
These are the "works" worthy of repentance the Bible speaks of. But we also know "many" who call Him "Lord, "lord" will claim Him as their God, but will refuse to walk in the "works" He created for us to walk in. We need to "Take Heed" of these people.
Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths,(The God hath before ordained) where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk therein.
As it is to this day.
3Luke 13: I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
So, according to My Jesus, no repentance, no Grace.
But some on this forum don't believe in these Word's, they are always quoting Paul as if he teaches differently. But does he?
Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
We all know the serpent will try, by using some of God's Word, to deceive us into NOT following the Christ and His instructions.
So while it is true that we have all sinned. The Good News is, we can be forgiven this sin if we change from our ways to God's ways.
Not the ways of some religion which "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions" but the true righteousness which God created (Not Man) beforehand that we should walk in them.
Eph. 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of (Mans) works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
These are the "works" worthy of repentance the Bible speaks of. But we also know "many" who call Him "Lord, "lord" will claim Him as their God, but will refuse to walk in the "works" He created for us to walk in. We need to "Take Heed" of these people.
Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths,(The God hath before ordained) where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk therein.
As it is to this day.
Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then [serveth] the Law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The text says "the Law"
Clearly the person who wants it to say something other than what it literally says is the person in error trying to edit scripture.
Wherefore then [serveth] the Law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The text says "the Law"
Clearly the person who wants it to say something other than what it literally says is the person in error trying to edit scripture.
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this is replying to studyman. ( I do not like this new format )
Romans 4. Paul lays out in great detail how Abraham was justified by faith, not by works of the Law.
and I call bunk on you " speaking truth of Scripture ". you have been told that the same greek word for law is used 192 times in the N.T. you keep right on saying the Law is in parts .
you have been told that the word used where Abraham kept God's commands is " torat ", a derivative of Torah, but NOT TORAH. nowhere in Scripture does it say Abraham kept the Sabbath. nowhere.
so, if you do not think language counts for anything, and definitions of words have no bearing on the meaning, explain how you are not just giving your opinions as facts. because when one checks the language against what you say, what you say is quickly discredited.
Romans 4. Paul lays out in great detail how Abraham was justified by faith, not by works of the Law.
and I call bunk on you " speaking truth of Scripture ". you have been told that the same greek word for law is used 192 times in the N.T. you keep right on saying the Law is in parts .
you have been told that the word used where Abraham kept God's commands is " torat ", a derivative of Torah, but NOT TORAH. nowhere in Scripture does it say Abraham kept the Sabbath. nowhere.
so, if you do not think language counts for anything, and definitions of words have no bearing on the meaning, explain how you are not just giving your opinions as facts. because when one checks the language against what you say, what you say is quickly discredited.
We need to take heed of those who pervert the gospel by teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works," which is NOT the works worthy of repentance that the Bible speaks of. These many people in Matthew 7:22-23 trusted in their works for salvation AND JESUS NEVER KNEW THEM, just as many people today who are mixed up in various false religions and cults who play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom do as well.
You are not fooling any genuine BELIEVERS on Christian Chat with your trickery and deceit.
You are not fooling any genuine BELIEVERS on Christian Chat with your trickery and deceit.
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The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word as that which many try to make it.It simply means rest with no other meaning attached to it. Attaching a time sensitive meaning in the end of the matter destroys the proper outcome.
Like many words in the Bible there are two kinds to concern ourselves with. There are two kinds of sabbaths .One in respect to the ceremonial used in ceremonies as shadows and the other are moral sabaaths that affect each day, called today .
Like many words in the Bible there are two kinds to concern ourselves with. There are two kinds of sabbaths .One in respect to the ceremonial used in ceremonies as shadows and the other are moral sabaaths that affect each day, called today .
More deflection, more empty words. "Added" to what? "Transgression of what"?
So "Love your neighbor" was only "ADDED" until Jesus came? "So thou shall not commit adultery" was only "ADDED" till the Seed should come.
And what of God's Laws that were given to Abraham?
You are free to take one sentence, and try to use it to erase all other scriptures which don't tow your religious traditions.
But that effort doesn't make the rest of the Bible Void, IMO.
The Covenant the Lord made with Abraham.
The covenant requirements: walk before Me and be blameless.
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” Genesis 17:1-2
Example: because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:5
The Abrahamic Covenant became the New [refreshed] Covenant, when the Lord who made Covenant with Abraham became flesh, and shed His blood, confirming that covenant with His own blood as Abraham did with his.
This is why we are called "children of Abraham", through faith in Christ Jesus, because we are grafted into that Covenant.
Notice the Covenant requirements are the same as the New Covenant:
- walk before Me and be blameless. Walk with Me in My Presence and be blameless
- Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh
JPT
NO Dan...we do not want to go back to the OT for instructions.....you would also be STONED if you got it wrong.
As far as I can make out YASHUA/Jesus tells us TO FOLLOW HIM - as a true disciple would and so you would keep the COMMANDMENTS INCLUDING the Sabbath AS HE DID ! that sounds right to me....obviously not everybody.
Could the reason be to separate sheep from Goates ? think about it....some people are obedient some are not and it shows in our actions.
As far as I can make out YASHUA/Jesus tells us TO FOLLOW HIM - as a true disciple would and so you would keep the COMMANDMENTS INCLUDING the Sabbath AS HE DID ! that sounds right to me....obviously not everybody.
Could the reason be to separate sheep from Goates ? think about it....some people are obedient some are not and it shows in our actions.
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