How To Understand Romans Chapter 9
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uh...if you have accepted Christ as your Savior, there is repentance involved ...you know? changed your mind about your direction and agreed with God?
no one 100% understands all the scriptures, but we can rely on the Holy Spirit and godly teachers filled with God's Spirit (as in gifted by God and not going off with their own interpretation) to help us to understand
we renew our minds by the word of God. it is not a one time thing; but an ongoing lifetime occurrence
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they received their disbelief because of disobedience
much like today...God will allow people to go after their own desires, Christian or not, and they will either come to the end of themself and turn back, or they will walk off the cliff
God does not force people to love Him and if we do in fact love Him as we say we do, we will also obey Him...I am not talking about OT law here
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are you able to 'communicate' without insulting people you seem to consider inferior to your great superiority?
not gonna fly well here bro.
I do not always agree with the op, but I agree even less with folks who just joined and think they are 'all that'
I won't respond to insults but go ahead if that is your actual method of communication
Yes, just as the Jews considered themselves unworthy of it:
Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
Acts 13:46 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/act.13.46.NIV
Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
Acts 13:46 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/act.13.46.NIV
in Romans 9 verse 9, Paul quotes Genesis 18, speaking about that which God has promised. this is in Genesis 18 regarding that promise:
this says God chose Abraham in order to preserve and keep the way of the Lord, not that God chose Abraham because he kept and preserved His way, or that Abraham chose first and God auto-responded. that this is in order to carry out the purpose of the Lord which the Lord has spoken. i think it's interesting that the origin of these things is in God, not in man
For I have chosen him, so that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring upon Abraham what He has spoken about him.
(Genesis 18:19)
this says God chose Abraham in order to preserve and keep the way of the Lord, not that God chose Abraham because he kept and preserved His way, or that Abraham chose first and God auto-responded. that this is in order to carry out the purpose of the Lord which the Lord has spoken. i think it's interesting that the origin of these things is in God, not in man
One of you will say to me:
“Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist His will?”
(Romans 9:19)
who says this?
why do they say it?
what are they responding to with this question?
why does it come up?
why is it an obvious question?
what kind of person asks it?
how does Paul know this question will naturally be raised?
what is it he's just said that would lead to this question?
what fact is the natural precursor to this question?
what would someone have to "know" in order to ask this?
who would know this?
how would they know it?
why would they know it?
Yes the Jews. The Jews in general terms represent the failure of human kind to please God (the first covenant). Through Jesus we are given chance number two that the Jews to this day reject.
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles
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Yes God does elect specific individuals (even nations such as Israel) for specific purposes or specific ministries. We see that in Romans 9.
But that DOES NOT automatically translate into God choosing some for salvation and others for damnation.
This is where the Calvinists go off the rails.
Did God compel Esau to give up his birthright for a bowl of food? Not at all. God holds unspiritual Esau fully responsible for his unbelief.
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (Heb 12:16)
That word "profane" is βέβηλος (bebélos) which means profane, secular, unspiritual, godless, worldly .
But that DOES NOT automatically translate into God choosing some for salvation and others for damnation.
This is where the Calvinists go off the rails.
Did God compel Esau to give up his birthright for a bowl of food? Not at all. God holds unspiritual Esau fully responsible for his unbelief.
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (Heb 12:16)
That word "profane" is βέβηλος (bebélos) which means profane, secular, unspiritual, godless, worldly .
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