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Hang in there .Truth can hurt... no pain... no gain. either we suffer for doing right or suffer for the wrong in this world we will have tribulation daily.
Christians, I beleive have the understanding of God therefore not turning His understanding upside down, as the understanding of man's oral traditions called "apostolic succession" a term used by the Catholic sect .It has no biblical understanding
Catholic cannot trust the word of God as seeking the approval of God as a personal one, one on one relationship They must trust the fathers as that seen by worshipping the things seen ,
They take a literal view of the parables not receiving the spiritual understanding as that not seen, the eternal.... making prophecy of God without effect. Therefore they must seek after man seen as a source of faith . This is even though scripture clearly teaches us God is not a man and there is no daysman or what they call a Pope as a infallible teacher mediator as that seen which stands between God not seen and man seen. ,
They simply dismiss that teaching found in Job 9 just as dismiss the teaching in respect to the motive of operation of the antichrists, the many who were their during the first century in 1 john 2 .
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2 :27 -28
I would offer ...Big difference between not knowing what the bible teaches and making it to no effect through the oral traditions of men, called a law of the fathers, or what Catholics must call apostolic succession .
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I would think its ludicrous to those who go above that which is written, making that seen the flesh the greatest (the apostles) .
Jesus said His flesh profits for nothing, nada ,zip It is his unseen Holy Spirit that he poured out as if it was blood .That which does quicken our souls is the power of his word His word id Spirit providing eternal spirit life to the believer.
Catholicism clings to the flesh looking to make everything literal to give it a face thyey can seek after. Christian walk by faith .
I would suggest doing a study on how the word faith is used and what is meant by no faith .Who it belongs to and how it can give us a understanding hid from the wisdom of the world. I think that is the reason for parables .Catholicism apposes the parables in the scriptures .They developed their own use of metaphors to show the language of their sect to be some kind of mother, The Pope has many tittles to help the increase of men worshipping him as that which they call venerating as clear form of worship
The Catholic simply must walk by sight seeking the approval of that seen as if the kingdom of God came by observation...... destroying the gospel (faith to faith) .The unseen spiritual understanding to the same faith... understanding of God.
They have a hope in being found with a righteousness of their ow selves. Making the righteousness of Christ without effect accrediting Christ to a unknown amount of grace therefore doing despite to the grace of God.
So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.( His)Romans 1:15 -17
Even the apostles had the spiritual meaning hid from their understanding immediately when not understood they would look to put their faith in that which was seen and play the childish game of" who is the greatest" gets venerated (worshiped) as the highest as if Christ was not standing right in front of them .
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.Then there arose a reasoning (philosophical) among them, which of them "should be greatest". And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great. And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.Luke 9:44-50
The apostles did not mix faith in what they did hear and reverted to philiosophy, the intellectual gospel
Christ defines the us and those who went out from us , not the Pope and his workers with famailiar spirits (3500 and rapidly rising) that the Catholics must call" Patron saints".as a form of necromancy communing with the dead Three time Christ performed that work of hiding the spiritual meaning . In the end he declared to them; you know not the manner of spirit you speak from (the deceitful heart, not the new born again one)
It really has nothing to do with our intellect, but His thoughts... not ours . Just as the Jews like the Catholics who required a outward sign before they would commit faith, the same applies to the Greek who said show me God by our intellect as if we did know Christ after the philosophies of men as the wisdom of this world . The Catholic have a whole group of philosophers trying to make the word of God with out effect so again they can receive the approval of man seen and not God not seen. Instant gratification like in the garden ignoring the thing not seen (God) both stumbled over the cross
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1 Cor 1:22-23
We simply do not know God who is unseen after the rudiments( flesh and blood)or the philosophies of this is world he cannot be found by looking in a microscope corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new order.
Built on whose faith, the unseen things of God or those of men, the imaginations of their own hearts. Who is the greatest the approval of men seen or of God not seen?
Colossians 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Christians, I beleive have the understanding of God therefore not turning His understanding upside down, as the understanding of man's oral traditions called "apostolic succession" a term used by the Catholic sect .It has no biblical understanding
Catholic cannot trust the word of God as seeking the approval of God as a personal one, one on one relationship They must trust the fathers as that seen by worshipping the things seen ,
They take a literal view of the parables not receiving the spiritual understanding as that not seen, the eternal.... making prophecy of God without effect. Therefore they must seek after man seen as a source of faith . This is even though scripture clearly teaches us God is not a man and there is no daysman or what they call a Pope as a infallible teacher mediator as that seen which stands between God not seen and man seen. ,
They simply dismiss that teaching found in Job 9 just as dismiss the teaching in respect to the motive of operation of the antichrists, the many who were their during the first century in 1 john 2 .
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2 :27 -28
I would offer ...Big difference between not knowing what the bible teaches and making it to no effect through the oral traditions of men, called a law of the fathers, or what Catholics must call apostolic succession .
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I would think its ludicrous to those who go above that which is written, making that seen the flesh the greatest (the apostles) .
Jesus said His flesh profits for nothing, nada ,zip It is his unseen Holy Spirit that he poured out as if it was blood .That which does quicken our souls is the power of his word His word id Spirit providing eternal spirit life to the believer.
Catholicism clings to the flesh looking to make everything literal to give it a face thyey can seek after. Christian walk by faith .
I would suggest doing a study on how the word faith is used and what is meant by no faith .Who it belongs to and how it can give us a understanding hid from the wisdom of the world. I think that is the reason for parables .Catholicism apposes the parables in the scriptures .They developed their own use of metaphors to show the language of their sect to be some kind of mother, The Pope has many tittles to help the increase of men worshipping him as that which they call venerating as clear form of worship
The Catholic simply must walk by sight seeking the approval of that seen as if the kingdom of God came by observation...... destroying the gospel (faith to faith) .The unseen spiritual understanding to the same faith... understanding of God.
They have a hope in being found with a righteousness of their ow selves. Making the righteousness of Christ without effect accrediting Christ to a unknown amount of grace therefore doing despite to the grace of God.
So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.( His)Romans 1:15 -17
Even the apostles had the spiritual meaning hid from their understanding immediately when not understood they would look to put their faith in that which was seen and play the childish game of" who is the greatest" gets venerated (worshiped) as the highest as if Christ was not standing right in front of them .
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.Then there arose a reasoning (philosophical) among them, which of them "should be greatest". And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great. And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.Luke 9:44-50
The apostles did not mix faith in what they did hear and reverted to philiosophy, the intellectual gospel
Christ defines the us and those who went out from us , not the Pope and his workers with famailiar spirits (3500 and rapidly rising) that the Catholics must call" Patron saints".as a form of necromancy communing with the dead Three time Christ performed that work of hiding the spiritual meaning . In the end he declared to them; you know not the manner of spirit you speak from (the deceitful heart, not the new born again one)
It really has nothing to do with our intellect, but His thoughts... not ours . Just as the Jews like the Catholics who required a outward sign before they would commit faith, the same applies to the Greek who said show me God by our intellect as if we did know Christ after the philosophies of men as the wisdom of this world . The Catholic have a whole group of philosophers trying to make the word of God with out effect so again they can receive the approval of man seen and not God not seen. Instant gratification like in the garden ignoring the thing not seen (God) both stumbled over the cross
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1 Cor 1:22-23
We simply do not know God who is unseen after the rudiments( flesh and blood)or the philosophies of this is world he cannot be found by looking in a microscope corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new order.
Built on whose faith, the unseen things of God or those of men, the imaginations of their own hearts. Who is the greatest the approval of men seen or of God not seen?
Colossians 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Your not making a lick of sense.....THE SPIRIT bears WITNESS with our SPIRIT....
NOT to mention all the verse that bear witness to one's acceptance of Christ......Salvation is not some emotional experience where pixies dance and Elves sing Kum Ba YAH......it is a conscience, spiritual decision based upon the word of GOD and an act of faith.....ONE who has heard the gospel, believed the gospel and acknowledged the gospel by faith IS born from above and the BOLDED above APPLIES.....
If a person does not know they are saved 1 of 2 maybe 3 things have taken place....
a. They are not saved
b. They have backslidden and forgotten that their sins have been purged
c. They, in their immaturity, have been confused by the religionists and the false dogmas they peddle like a street organ player in Calcutta with a dancing monkey.........
NOT to mention all the verse that bear witness to one's acceptance of Christ......Salvation is not some emotional experience where pixies dance and Elves sing Kum Ba YAH......it is a conscience, spiritual decision based upon the word of GOD and an act of faith.....ONE who has heard the gospel, believed the gospel and acknowledged the gospel by faith IS born from above and the BOLDED above APPLIES.....
If a person does not know they are saved 1 of 2 maybe 3 things have taken place....
a. They are not saved
b. They have backslidden and forgotten that their sins have been purged
c. They, in their immaturity, have been confused by the religionists and the false dogmas they peddle like a street organ player in Calcutta with a dancing monkey.........
A. If the following question, which is valid is considered an insult by you....then you have issues
B. What exactly did we disagree on?....I simply asked him a question....a very valid question...
C. If my words offend you...you are really in for it when it actually hits the fan.
Do you actually read and study the bible?
B. What exactly did we disagree on?....I simply asked him a question....a very valid question...
C. If my words offend you...you are really in for it when it actually hits the fan.
Do you actually read and study the bible?
I agree that salvation is an event, based on a decision to confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
I think you and I generally agree on what salvation is, and how it is obtained, and that it is permanent.
I believe many people fall under "c". They have never been taught properly.
I think you and I generally agree on what salvation is, and how it is obtained, and that it is permanent.
I believe many people fall under "c". They have never been taught properly.
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You are being disingenuous.
You know full well that you meant that as a slam. We have exchanged posts before on a few biblical topics, and exchanged a few PMs last summer as the Rev 12:1-2 sign got close.
But on the outside chance that you have forgotten all that, and your question was genuine, yes, I read and study the Bible every day.
You know full well that you meant that as a slam. We have exchanged posts before on a few biblical topics, and exchanged a few PMs last summer as the Rev 12:1-2 sign got close.
But on the outside chance that you have forgotten all that, and your question was genuine, yes, I read and study the Bible every day.
I agree that it was a slam and meant as a slam to ask if you actually read and study your bible. I think it was arrogant.
And that has nothing to do with if I agree with you or him on any given matter. I could agree with him on 90% of things and disagree with you (shrume) on 90% of things, and I would still think it was a slam and meant to be a slam, and arrogant.
And that has nothing to do with if I agree with you or him on any given matter. I could agree with him on 90% of things and disagree with you (shrume) on 90% of things, and I would still think it was a slam and meant to be a slam, and arrogant.
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You free to your opinion...it was a valid question based upon the dozens of times that he makes a post that is off and or has nothing to do with the current subject...I just love how you all can see hundreds if not thousands of miles through the internet or cable and have the GOD LIKE ability to judge motive...this is the second time you put your nose in a conversation and erroneously judged me and my motive and or what I have said, in like what the last three or four days now....
God! Dear sister, God. 
Isn't that wonderful? A Mormon filled with the Holy Spirit. And Roman Catholic's that leave the church and find their way home. You've been blessed. Thank you for sharing all this with all of us.
Isn't that wonderful? A Mormon filled with the Holy Spirit. And Roman Catholic's that leave the church and find their way home. You've been blessed. Thank you for sharing all this with all of us.
To believe in Jesus, it would seem logically necessary to have some vague idea of who or what he is.
The Mormons don't have even the remotest idea who he is.
In fact, the messiah they believe in is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the person the Bible calls Jesus.
I want them to be saved.
But this is just how it is.
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Most people here have said that Roman Catholics can be true Christians, they argue that God looks at the heart and not which denomination you happen to worship in.
I find it hard to believe that a truly converted believer in Christ can continue to worship as a Roman Catholic but I can't accept that over a billion Catholics are all lost and won't make it to heaven.
Can we truly know by studying God's Word how God He will deal with these people, there's an element of mystery to it. I don't think it's black and white as I would like it to be
I find it hard to believe that a truly converted believer in Christ can continue to worship as a Roman Catholic but I can't accept that over a billion Catholics are all lost and won't make it to heaven.
Can we truly know by studying God's Word how God He will deal with these people, there's an element of mystery to it. I don't think it's black and white as I would like it to be
I agree with you absolutely, but in the case of the Roman Church. It would be painfully obvious to a person who has heard the true Gospel to miss the all of the BIG contradictions.
I'm not talking about minor things, I'm talking about fundamental things which expose it as apostate. The RCC is in stark contradiction to Biblical Christianity, it doesn't teach that God's Word is the final authority.
I don't need to list all of the errors, someone has listed them in a recent post, have a look.
I'm not talking about minor things, I'm talking about fundamental things which expose it as apostate. The RCC is in stark contradiction to Biblical Christianity, it doesn't teach that God's Word is the final authority.
I don't need to list all of the errors, someone has listed them in a recent post, have a look.
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M...,
Christ purchased the right for you and I to repent and gain forgiveness of our sin.
We are judged after earthly physical death.
Wrong.....The Bible clearly teaches and requires ...repentance.
Our filthy rags...is symbolic...for our efforts to be righteous...in sufficiently... in G-'ds eyes.
M...,
Study scriptures... "road is hard t find..."gate is narrow"......"few will make it".
What does that mean to you? Obviously, we do not know. But, If I were to assess...I would opine that only 10 to 15% of folks who lived on this earth will meet G-d's requirements.
Christ purchased the right for you and I to repent and gain forgiveness of our sin.
We are judged after earthly physical death.
Wrong.....The Bible clearly teaches and requires ...repentance.
Our filthy rags...is symbolic...for our efforts to be righteous...in sufficiently... in G-'ds eyes.
M...,
Study scriptures... "road is hard t find..."gate is narrow"......"few will make it".
What does that mean to you? Obviously, we do not know. But, If I were to assess...I would opine that only 10 to 15% of folks who lived on this earth will meet G-d's requirements.
MARK, I checked, you've been on your rant for 68 hours so far. Sure, God's gonna judge the RCC for sure but not before the Lord calls to those he selected, not you, and says to them 'come out of her' before he throws it into the lake of fire and if the lord is as harsh on you as you are on them YOU are in serious trouble. He died for all of us, yes them too. If you accepted his forgiveness why pass it on?
I'm done with this and i'm unfollowing this string. I don't know what happened to you, may be need to be healed. good bye.
I'm done with this and i'm unfollowing this string. I don't know what happened to you, may be need to be healed. good bye.