Not By Works

OstrichSmiling · Jul 2, 2018

CAN YOU PROVIDE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS JESUS WAS “CURSED" ASIDE FROM
PAUL’S? I DON’T MEAN THAT HE HIMSELF CALLED JESUS “CURSED" BUT ONLY THOSE
WHO TEACH A GOSPEL OF ANOTHER KIND WHICH IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than
the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so
now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted,
let him be eternally condemned!

WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SAYS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW.(rom 3:19).

IT WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 We also know that LAW IS MADE NOT FOR THE RIGHTEOUS but for
lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their
fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and LIARS and
perjurers—and for whatever else is CONTRARY TO THE SOUND DOCTRINE that conforms to
the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

OUR LORD DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF UNDER THE LAW WHEN HE SAID;

John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in THEIR Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH".

1 Corinthians 15:55-57 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The
sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the
victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

“BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US" MEANS “ BY DYING FOR US" SINCE THE CURSE OF
THE LAW IS “DEATH”, AND THE GOSPEL CLEARLY SAYS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR THE
FORGIVENESS OF SINS(JUSTIFICATION).

NOWHERE IN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TELLS US THAT “HE WAS CURSED” FOR THE
FORGIVENESS OF SINS.

JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND THAT WORD IS GOD.(john 1:1-3 & 14)
GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY, THE ALMIGHTY LIVING GOD, THE
CREATOR, LAW GIVER AND THE JUDGE(james 4:12) AND NO ONE CAN JUDGE OR
CURSE HIM OR CALL HIM “CURSED".

Galatians 3:10,13 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed
is everyone who DOES NOT CONTINUE TO DO everything written in the Book of the Law.”

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US, for it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

1 Corinthians 2:10-16 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things,
even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the
man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may
understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by
human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they
are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

PAUL CLEARLY DESCRIBED WHO ARE THOSE HE CONSIDERED “CURSED”;

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is
everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

UNDERSTANDING THE ABOVE VERSE WILL BRING US TO THE CORRECT
UNDERSTANDING OF THE FF: VERSE;

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is
written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH"
AND ACCORDING TO JOHN “THE WORD IS GOD". (john 1:1-3 & 14)
GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY WHO CREATED THE LAW FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO WHAT IS MAN TO CALL HIM “CURSED"?

WHO AMONG BELIEVERS WOULD QUESTION GOD’S VULNERABILITY TO CURSES OR
WHATEVER EVIL ACTS AGAINST HIM? ...PETER EXPLAINS IT BETTER;

2 Peter 3:14-18 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience
means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave
him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters
contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE
people DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear
friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by
the ERROR of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and
knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever!
Amen.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He
has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy,
strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind,
who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial
gain.

isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light
and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who
are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at
drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny
justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks
down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for
THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD
OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

Hebrews 10:26-29 If we DELIBERATELY keep on sinning after we have received the
KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who
has TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD under foot, who has TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF
GRACE?

.. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED…

...LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR…

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through me.

You've been a member here since June 2016. I seem to remember another who's profile said they joined around that date.Took the name of an angel with 2020 vision?

Have you read? That even the Devil can quote scripture.
King Jesus was born as a baby in a manger, a feed trough. He made baby sounds and was wide eyed with wonder at the world. And kings knelt at his feet bringing frankincense and myrrh and precious gifts to him so that he would never have to work a day in his life.

God knows your heart Echoes. Even past all that screaming he sees you.

TruthTalk · Jul 2, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

Hello OstrichSmilling, and welcome to Christianchat.com.

It would help everyone here if we knew who you are referring to in your posts. I think you write a very nice post but if there is "no name" at the beginning of what you are writing about, or to whom you are writing to, how do we know who should or should not to respond to your post.

As an example you wrote the date; June 2016, and a friend named Angel who had 2020 vision. So that I believe your post was not directed at me or again maybe it was. I have made a few friends here and I find this Christian forum to be very friendly -- I hope you enjoy your time here as well.

God bless

VCO · Jul 2, 2018

benhur said:

What does the KOG stand for. I never heard anyone else ever use KOG.

OstrichSmiling · Jul 2, 2018

VCO said:

KOG=Kingdom Of God

OstrichSmiling · Jul 2, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Thanks for asking. I have this habit of noticing patterns when they appear in everyday life among people or events. And also I find I am easily attentive to what can appear as an anagram.
My post that you refer to was directed @Seohce, which can be an anagram for, echoes. Just something I see with my predilection to noticing anagrams from time to time. And they were whom I quoted. The allusion in the angel 2020 vision remark was to veil the reference to one Gabriel2020. For whom Seohce seems to be similar in posting style.
I hope that helps you. Thank you for the welcome.

And may God also bless you

Seohce · Jul 2, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

I'M NOT SCREAMING AS YOU THINK I AM. I JUST WANT TO SEPARATE MY OWN WORDS WHICH IS OF NO VALUE COMPARED TO GOD'S WORDS AND THE SCRIPTURES WHICH MATTERS THE MOST BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT PPRINTED ON "CAPS". AS A PERSON SUFFERING FROM A RARE CASE OF EYE DISEASE CALLED "RETINITIS PIGMENTOSA WHICH DISABLES ME TO READ AND TYPE AS A NORMAL PERSON WOULD, IT'S A COMFORT FOR ME TO USE "CAPS" WHEN I TYPE.

HERE'S JUST ONE PASSAGE THAT GUIDES MY BELIEF;

1 Corinthians 4:1-7 Apostles of Christ So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

dcontroversal · Jul 2, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

Not to mention he dismisses the words of Paul in Galatians concerning JESUS being made a curse for us...His roman Catholic dogma blinds him to the truth......I put him on ignore a long time ago..He twists what we say, embellishes what we say, flat misrepresents what we say, ignores all truth that proves his error and spews his Catholic dogma...i got tired of dealing with him...he is very deceptive....anyway...back to the regularly scheduled programming.....

VCO · Jul 2, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

That seems strange to me, why would anyone want to abbreviate Kingdom of GOD? I seems like an insult to me.

theanointedsinner · Jul 2, 2018

look at all these text war
whoever invented false doctrine is an ingenious minion of Satan himself

OstrichSmiling · Jul 2, 2018

dcontroversal said:

I have friends that were raised RC. To be fair , they are typically baptized into the church as babies. And are raised in the RCC dogma and remain affiliated as long as they live. For the most part.
There is a term for what transpires in that situation. And actually the child rearing behaviors we learn and act out as we grow up.
Hard wiring. "We know what we're told".
I don't think it is that they refuse to listen. It is that they were hardwired as an impressionable child to believe the RCC dogma as they do. And remember when any religious doctrine is taught to a young impressionable mind , in this case any variable of Christianity, as in the matter of the RCC dogma, it includes the instruction concerning damnation for any variant .

OstrichSmiling · Jul 2, 2018

VCO said:

I don't see it that way. Some use the acronym to save space. Or they're just into chat speak even on a forum.

TruthTalk · Jul 2, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

Hi again OstrichSmiling, and thank you for the vocabulary lesson for example;

To anagrammatize: "Lemon = Melon"

Now can you anagrammatize: the screen name; "OstrichSmiling", just joking a little.....

God bless

dcontroversal · Jul 2, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

I have friends that were raised RC. To be fair , they are typically baptized into the church as babies. And are raised in the RCC dogma and remain affiliated as long as they live. For the most part.
There is a term for what transpires in that situation. And actually the child rearing behaviors we learn and act out as we grow up.
Hard wiring. "We know what we're told".
I don't think it is that they refuse to listen. It is that they were hardwired as an impressionable child to believe the RCC dogma as they do. And remember when any religious doctrine is taught to a young impressionable mind , in this case any variable of Christianity, as in the matter of the RCC dogma, it includes the instruction concerning damnation for any variant .

Fair enough.....but lest we ever forget.....the truth can shine through the darkest forest of falsehoods and religion, but men MUST be open to learning and instruction...

Seohce · Jul 2, 2018

dcontroversal said:

1John 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

1 John 2:3-4 We know that we have come to know him IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR , and the truth is not in him.

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)

SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)

OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.

THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.

JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)

WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?

WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)

IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?

JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.

Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?

GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)

NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?

Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.

ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?

DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)

FlSnookman7 · Jul 3, 2018

Seohce said:

I'M NOT SCREAMING AS YOU THINK I AM. I JUST WANT TO SEPARATE MY OWN WORDS WHICH IS OF NO VALUE COMPARED TO GOD'S WORDS AND THE SCRIPTURES WHICH MATTERS THE MOST BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT PPRINTED ON "CAPS". AS A PERSON SUFFERING FROM A RARE CASE OF EYE DISEASE CALLED "RETINITIS PIGMENTOSA WHICH DISABLES ME TO READ AND TYPE AS A NORMAL PERSON WOULD, IT'S A COMFORT FOR ME TO USE "CAPS" WHEN I TYPE.

HERE'S JUST ONE PASSAGE THAT GUIDES MY BELIEF;

1 Corinthians 4:1-7 Apostles of Christ So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

I also like to separate the Word in my posts, I usually post what I write in a larger size then post the Word in an even larger size. I am just now finding my way around this new set up. Hope that helps. Shalom.

VCO · Jul 3, 2018

OstrichSmiling said:

Out of respect for GOD, I will never use that acronym.

KOG = games for PCs made in Korea.

KOG = an American Computer Gaming Company

KOG = Kodiac Oil & Gas Co.

KOG = KOG'MAW is a British Computer Gaming Company.

KOG = Kokomo Opalescent Glass Co.

KOG = K.O.G. Gamers for XBOX

KOG = KOG International, Inc. - Security Bond Brokers

KOG = KOG is a pioneering consultancy and creative agency dedicated to LGBTQ+ travel.

KOG = EuKaryotic Orthologous Groups (KOG) - database using euKaryotic Orthologous Groups from NCBI,

KOG =

(King Of Games) is a brand in Splatoon, along with a line of Nintendo-related products

KOG = K.O.G. & the Zongo Brigade - The 9-piece deliver infectious West African vibes from Ghana

KOG = King KOG - full service bicycle repair

KOG = Stock Quotes - Kongsberg Gruppen AS (KOG)

KOG = A Volleyball League

KOG = IGLTA - Gay and Lesbian Travel Agency

ETC.

SEEMS VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO GOD, TO SHORTEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD, to the Acronym you suggested.

justpassinthrough · Jul 3, 2018

gb9 said:

Do you disagree, that we are to obey the Gospel, in order to be saved?

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8

on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

and again

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23

again

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
Romans 10:14-16

Please explain how a person who does not obey the Gospel is saved?

JPT

benhur · Jul 3, 2018

VCO said:

Kingdom of God.

benhur · Jul 3, 2018

VCO said:

If you think it an insult, then do not use it. Since I do not think it an insult, I use it.

gb9 · Jul 3, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

and were did I say that a person can be saved and not obey??

what I said was that obedience is a RESULT , not a cause .

you say that obedience that causes salvation. 100% wrong. saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast

justpassinthrough said:

please show me where I said that one can be saved and not obey.

what I said was we are saved by grace through faith for good works.. so that no man can boast.

if you say that you are saved by obeying , that is boasting, is it not??

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