Is the GREAT CITY in BABYLON, actually in Babylon, in Rev. 18?

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You did not answer my question, You just made a general statement

In those passages I gave, they have the final beast coming out of rome, so how could that be the USA? The USA was unknown to John, ROme was known. Why would jon make such a huge mistake?
Where is the Vatican?
 

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Babylon represents spiritual harlotry, (ie, your religion is based on a false bride, or prostitute, or as a prostitute does, a subsititute bride) It is seen with the pagan gods which got its origins at the towel of babel in what later became known as babylon. which late became worldwide, we see it in the Canaanite Gods, The Egyptian Gods, the Syrian Gods, the greek Gods and finally the roman Gods.

Can you show me how the US is a spiritual harlot spreading her harlotry to the kings of the world? and how she could be seen as the master spiritual harlot, just based off one statue??
Colossians 3:5-6 (CSBBible)
5 Therefore, put to death what belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust,
evil desire, and greed, which is idolatry.
6 Because of these, God's wrath is coming upon the disobedient,


Revelation 18:3 (HCSB)
3 For all the nations have drunk the wine of her sexual immorality, which brings wrath.
The kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her, and
the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from her excessive luxury.


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I rest my case.
 
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Colossians 3:5-6 (CSBBible)
5 Therefore, put to death what belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust,
evil desire, and greed, which is idolatry.
6 Because of these, God's wrath is coming upon the disobedient,


Revelation 18:3 (HCSB)
3 For all the nations have drunk the wine of her sexual immorality, which brings wrath.
The kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her, and
the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from her excessive luxury.


NEW YORK CITY APARTMENTS:
Studio Apartment = starting at $3,576 per mo. *********One Bedroom Apartment = starting at $ 3,766



I rest my case.
You will need alot more than that, you might be satisfied, but i see so much wrong with this,

Maybe a small portion of stuff why may be true but i need more that tiny bits,

That studeo apartment came from greed, not from spiritual harlotry.
 

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#85
You will need alot more than that, you might be satisfied, but i see so much wrong with this,

Maybe a small portion of stuff why may be true but i need more that tiny bits,

That studeo apartment came from greed, not from spiritual harlotry.
LOOSE the IDEA that the Mystery Babylon and The Great City, Babylon, has to be the same animal, then you will see the forest through the Trees. He is confronting Spiritual Harlotry, AND a place of EXTREME GREED. IT IS NOT EVEN THE SAME ANIMAL.


Beast is used as a synonym for Antichrist in MOST of the Revelation Chapters. BUT NOT IN CHAPTER 18.

WHY?

BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ABODE OF THE ANTICHRIST.
 
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I would suggest that because without parables Christ spoke not and in doing so therefore hiding the spiritual understanding by using the literal as that seen the temporal . The literal as that seen is not the goal of our faith . We are not to concern our selves with the kingdoms of this world the Babylon is spiritual it is the strange woman not the wife of Christ .The strange woman makes up all the kingdoms as denominations and sects of this world , We simply do not wrestle against flesh and blood as the things seen but the hidden things not seen the spiritual

Proverbs 7:5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.
 
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Rev 11v8: "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Rev 14v8: "And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

Rev 17v18: "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

"The great city," which is also called "the woman" and "Babylon" is said to be the place "where also our Lord was crucified."

Which IS Jerusalem!

You obviously have paid NO attention to the warning given in Rev 22v18,19, you reject what the Scriptures clearly teach to embrace your own man made unscriptural tradition!
Did you say something....no, I did not think so....which deep water port does Jerusalem have? How have the merchants that trade by sea been made rich by Jerusalem? What ships do they sit on and refuse to help for fear of her torment when she gets nuked? What stock market doe she have that sets the financial pulse of the world? As a matter of fact when you can APPLY every characteristic found in Revelation to Jerusalem then and only then can you identify BABYLON, that MEGA CITY, where the Kings of the earth meet...until then you have nothing but fluff.....!

And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

You must think everyone is stupid....the above enlarged quote is found NO where in scripture and you are MIXING and CONFLATING two verses together to prove a point which is NOT provable....take your own advice in the underlined section....
 

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Did you say something....no, I did not think so....which deep water port does Jerusalem have? How have the merchants that trade by sea been made rich by Jerusalem? What ships do they sit on and refuse to help for fear of her torment when she gets nuked? What stock market doe she have that sets the financial pulse of the world? As a matter of fact when you can APPLY every characteristic found in Revelation to Jerusalem then and only then can you identify BABYLON, that MEGA CITY, where the Kings of the earth meet...until then you have nothing but fluff.....!

And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

You must think everyone is stupid....the above enlarged quote is found NO where in scripture and you are MIXING and CONFLATING two verses together to prove a point which is NOT provable....take your own advice in the underlined section....
Revelation 11:8 (NASB)
8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:8 (YLT)
8 and their dead bodies are upon the broad-place of the great city (that is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified,)

Yes it is part of the prophecy about the Two Witnesses.


But that Great City, has no SEAPORT, that will cause all the owners of Ships to Mourn. IT CANNOT BE THE SAME CITY.


Revelation 18:10-19 (NASB)
10 standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'
11 "And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more
12 cargoes of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and every kind of citron wood and every article of ivory and every article made from very costly wood and bronze and iron and marble,
13 and cinnamon and spice and incense and perfume and frankincense and wine and olive oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep, and cargoes of horses and chariots and slaves and human lives.
14 "The fruit you long for has gone from you, and all things that were luxurious and splendid have passed away from you and men will no longer find them.
15 "The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning,
16 saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls;
17 for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!' And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance,
18 and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'What city is like the great city?'
19 "And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!'


No matter how hard you try, THE DESRIPTION, defies the interpretation that it is Jerusalem.

I also figured out that Chariots, can be miltary vehicles, such as Tanks, Strykers, APCs, Cougar 4x4 MRAP, and any vehicle that carry troops into battle, AND SLAVES, can be the TROOPS, during a MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE, such as the Selective Service DRAFT.

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Cougar 4x4 MRAP

NOW WHEN THOSE VEHICLES ARE SOLD TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES, HOW DO YOU SUPPORT THEY ARE TRANSPORT TO THAT FOREIGN COUNTRY?





 
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LOOSE the IDEA that the Mystery Babylon and The Great City, Babylon, has to be the same animal, then you will see the forest through the Trees. He is confronting Spiritual Harlotry, AND a place of EXTREME GREED. IT IS NOT EVEN THE SAME ANIMAL.


Beast is used as a synonym for Antichrist in MOST of the Revelation Chapters. BUT NOT IN CHAPTER 18.

WHY?

BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ABODE OF THE ANTICHRIST.
He is confronting the MOTHER of spiritual adultery. Which would be called babylon. Not a city, but a religion. A religion which has worldwide influence, who has murdered many saints, Who is wealthy, Who is greedy.

If you can look at this, you will see it could not be New York. New York is not the spiritual leader of any false religion.


NY is just one great greedy city amoung the many all over the earth.
 

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The last sentence on my post #88 above should be:

NOW WHEN THOSE VEHICLES ARE SOLD TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES, HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE THEY ARE TRANSPORTED TO THAT FOREIGN COUNTRY?

Senioritous bites again.
 

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He is confronting the MOTHER of spiritual adultery. Which would be called babylon. Not a city, but a religion. A religion which has worldwide influence, who has murdered many saints, Who is wealthy, Who is greedy.

If you can look at this, you will see it could not be New York. New York is not the spiritual leader of any false religion.

NY is just one great greedy city amoung the many all over the earth.

SHOW ME THE REFERENCE TO SPIRITUAL LEADER OF ANY FALSE RELIGION in Chapter 18. He confronts BOTH the spiritual leader of the antichrists religion, BUT IN CHAPTER 18, HE IS CONFRONTING EXCESSIVE GREED, which is Idolatry. So we will agree to disagree.
 

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13th Amendment of the United States...

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Slavery was never abolished in USA, just regulated and applied to those convicted of crime and sentenced to prison. One begins to understand why USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world.


Products "Made In America" by Prisoners:

Military gear. Responsible for 60% of its sales, the Department of Defense is biggest customer.
Law enforcement equipment
Uniforms
Furniture
Software packaging
Car Parts
Lingerie
Dentures
Books for the Blind
Park Benches and Picnic Tables
Baseball Caps
Canoes
Mattresses
Signage
Some Processed Foods
etc. etc.


Free/Cheap Labor = Huge Wealth
 

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#93
You did not answer my question, You just made a general statement

In those passages I gave, they have the final beast coming out of rome, so how could that be the USA? The USA was unknown to John, ROme was known. Why would jon make such a huge mistake?
Are you saying that JOHN was NOT inspired by GOD, to write what he wrote?


1 Corinthians 15:27 (NCV)
27 The Scripture says that God put all things under his control. When it says “all things“ are under him, it is clear this does not include God himself. God is the One who put everything under his control.

2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:20-21 (NCV)
20 Most of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in the Scriptures ever comes from the prophet’s own interpretation.
21 No prophecy ever came from what a person wanted to say, but people led by the Holy Spirit spoke words from God.


THERE IS NO DEEP WATER PORT ANY WHERE NEAR ROME, OR JERUSALEM, NOR IN IRAQ.








Revelation 18:19 (ESV)
19 And they threw dust on their heads as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! For in a single hour she has been laid waste.

Revelation 18:21 (ESV)
21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more;


THE CHURCH IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN, SO THE SLAIN ARE THE BEHEADED TRIBULATION SAINTS.


Revelation 18:24 (TLB)
24 And she was responsible for the blood of all the martyred prophets and the saints."

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.


WHAT PROPHETS WERE SENT OUT AFTER THE CHURCH HAD BEEN REPATURED?

THE CONVERTS OF THE TWO WITNESSES, you did not think of them, did you?

After seeing LIVE ON CABLE NEWS, the RESURRECTION of the TWO WITNESSES, you did not think they would just shut their mouths did you?
 
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SHOW ME THE REFERENCE TO SPIRITUAL LEADER OF ANY FALSE RELIGION in Chapter 18. He confronts BOTH the spiritual leader of the antichrists religion, BUT IN CHAPTER 18, HE IS CONFRONTING EXCESSIVE GREED, which is Idolatry. So we will agree to disagree.
What do you think he term “mother of harlots” means?

It means the mother of “harlotry” or spiritual adultry

Greed is just one aspect of harlotry!

As for chapter 18, it says the nations got drunk on the wine of her “fornication” and the kings of the earth commited “ fornication” with her, so even it speaks of spiritual harlotry! (Also notice. If Israel is spoken of, it is called adultry, if gentiles are spoken of, it is called fornication, notice the significance of his?
 
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Are you saying that JOHN was NOT inspired by GOD, to write what he wrote?


1 Corinthians 15:27 (NCV)
27 The Scripture says that God put all things under his control. When it says “all things“ are under him, it is clear this does not include God himself. God is the One who put everything under his control.

2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:20-21 (NCV)
20 Most of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in the Scriptures ever comes from the prophet’s own interpretation.
21 No prophecy ever came from what a person wanted to say, but people led by the Holy Spirit spoke words from God.


THERE IS NO DEEP WATER PORT ANY WHERE NEAR ROME, OR JERUSALEM, NOR IN IRAQ.








Revelation 18:19 (ESV)
19 And they threw dust on their heads as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! For in a single hour she has been laid waste.

Revelation 18:21 (ESV)
21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more;


THE CHURCH IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN, SO THE SLAIN ARE THE BEHEADED TRIBULATION SAINTS.


Revelation 18:24 (TLB)
24 And she was responsible for the blood of all the martyred prophets and the saints."

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.


WHAT PROPHETS WERE SENT OUT AFTER THE CHURCH HAD BEEN REPATURED?

THE CONVERTS OF THE TWO WITNESSES, you did not think of them, did you?

After seeing LIVE ON CABLE NEWS, the RESURRECTION of the TWO WITNESSES, you did not think they would just shut their mouths did you?
I am sorry brother, but your stuck on smething, and being closed minded, because i already explained to you this type of language.

But her, here is an example, maybe this will help,

Here us the beast, using your line of reasonong

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What do you think he term “mother of harlots” means?

It means the mother of “harlotry” or spiritual adultry

Greed is just one aspect of harlotry!

As for chapter 18, it says the nations got drunk on the wine of her “fornication” and the kings of the earth commited “ fornication” with her, so even it speaks of spiritual harlotry! (Also notice. If Israel is spoken of, it is called adultry, if gentiles are spoken of, it is called fornication, notice the significance of his?
How come you cannot see Mystery of Babylon and the Great City of Babylon, as BEING TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

YES, I believe the 10 horned Beast and the 7 headed Beast is are the Revival of the Roman Empire. Remember 3 of the horns will be torn up by their roots, symbolizing smaller countries will merge with other countries, just like East Germany. Horns, Heads, and Mountains are Symbols in Biblical Prophecy for Kingdoms or Countries. YES, I BELIEVE the E.U. will be that Rival of the Roman Empire. When the Dictator the comes from within the E.U. is INVITED TO RULE, many of the other countries will EXIT, just like Britain did. Which would LEAVE ONLY SEVEN, after the three of the countries merge with others. THAT ONE DICTATOR WILL BE THE ANTICHRIST.

But I also Believe, after the Rapture, the USA will become buddies of that ONE DICTATOR, being their major Seaport. REMEMBER, by the time the world gets to Revelation 18, we will be in HEAVEN for the Wedding of the LAMB, perhaps as early as Chapter 4, and Definitely by Chapter 6; so here on earth, the MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE IN FULL SWING RALLYING around their so-called god.
 
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How come you cannot see Mystery of Babylon and the Great City of Babylon, as BEING TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

YES, I believe the 10 horned Beast and the 7 headed Beast is are the Revival of the Roman Empire. Remember 3 of the horns will be torn up by their roots, symbolizing smaller countries will merge with other countries, just like East Germany. Horns, Heads, and Mountains are Symbols in Biblical Prophecy for Kingdoms or Countries. YES, I BELIEVE the E.U. will be that Rival of the Roman Empire. When the Dictator the comes from within the E.U. is INVITED TO RULE, many of the other countries will EXIT, just like Britain did. Which would LEAVE ONLY SEVEN, after the three of the countries merge with others. THAT ONE DICTATOR WILL BE THE ANTICHRIST.

But I also Believe, after the Rapture, the USA will become buddies of that ONE DICTATOR, being their major Seaport. REMEMBER, by the time the world gets to Revelation 18, we will be in HEAVEN for the Wedding of the LAMB, perhaps as early as Chapter 4, and Definitely by Chapter 6; so here on earth, the MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE IN FULL SWING RALLYING around their so-called god.
Babylon is the name given to the false religious system which started at babel, the city represents where she resides and rules,

Mystery babylon and the great city are two sides of the same coin, spiritual adultry has r harlotry or fornication, why cant you see that?

Babylon the harlot is that, the false teligious system, NY has NOTHING to do with this, period.
 
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Are you saying that JOHN was NOT inspired by GOD, to write what he wrote?


1 Corinthians 15:27 (NCV)
27 The Scripture says that God put all things under his control. When it says “all things“ are under him, it is clear this does not include God himself. God is the One who put everything under his control.

2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:20-21 (NCV)
20 Most of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in the Scriptures ever comes from the prophet’s own interpretation.
21 No prophecy ever came from what a person wanted to say, but people led by the Holy Spirit spoke words from God.


THERE IS NO DEEP WATER PORT ANY WHERE NEAR ROME, OR JERUSALEM, NOR IN IRAQ.








Revelation 18:19 (ESV)
19 And they threw dust on their heads as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! For in a single hour she has been laid waste.

Revelation 18:21 (ESV)
21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more;


THE CHURCH IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN, SO THE SLAIN ARE THE BEHEADED TRIBULATION SAINTS.


Revelation 18:24 (TLB)
24 And she was responsible for the blood of all the martyred prophets and the saints."

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.


WHAT PROPHETS WERE SENT OUT AFTER THE CHURCH HAD BEEN REPATURED?

THE CONVERTS OF THE TWO WITNESSES, you did not think of them, did you?

After seeing LIVE ON CABLE NEWS, the RESURRECTION of the TWO WITNESSES, you did not think they would just shut their mouths did you?
I stand amazed that many insist on Rome or Jerusalem while rejecting the facts that the characteristics found in Revelation and the Daughter of Babylon CANNOT apply unto those two entities....The Babylon John sees is a MYSTERY CITY that was yet future...HE knew ALL too well of Rome and Jerusalem....and it also amaze me how many flat dismiss the post I made on the Prodigy of Babylon (Daughter) without actually studying ALL the characteristics found. Also the fact that a YET FUTURE WORLD POWER is blended in with classical Babylon<---Found in no less than 7-8 books of the bible and some 12-14 chapters of the bible.....over 80 characteristics and when the math is done there is only one nation it can be....

300 million to 1 if you buy a lottery ticket to win
180 million to 1 you get struck by lightning and live every time you go outside

10,500,000,000 to 1 which kingdom it is when ALL 80 characteristics are applied to the NATIONS of the world right NOW!

Rome does play a part <---FALSE PROPHET "POPE" is the PART that it plays
ISLAM plays a part <----1st BEAST, Little HORN, A.K.A. MAN of SIN <--Anti-Christ SO CALLED comes out of ISLAM
FALSE GOD pushed<---ALLAH<--A god who his father's did not know he ^^ will recognize, scrutinize, embrace, promote, worship, enlarge and spread <---Abraham had Ishmael who God blessed with 12 tribes as well and out of Ishmael comes the Arabs and ISLAM/Allah.

Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is ALLAH <---ALL are Satan and history proves his ONGOING attempt to be worshiped as a GOD in MAN which was continually hindered by GOD and TIME because it was not yet time.

I know thou dwell where SATAN'S seat IS "THRONE" <---written unto church at Pergamos by JESUS <---THRONE of ZEUS was located at PERGAMOS

The last bastion with Christian churches, Christians freedom, and liberty MUST fall before the above can come on line....it is out of the ashes of the destruction of WESTERN GENTILE POWER that the BEAST rises........

WORLD GENTILE power began with Nebuchadnezzar and has spread West, culminated with the U.S. and has circumvented the globe with the U.S. invading and occupying Iraq <---regardless of who rejects this truth this is the truth.......
 

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Babylon is the name given to the false religious system which started at babel, the city represents where she resides and rules,

Mystery babylon and the great city are two sides of the same coin, spiritual adultry has r harlotry or fornication, why cant you see that?

Babylon the harlot is that, the false teligious system, NY has NOTHING to do with this, period.

I understand that, but I SEE IT, NOT A TWO SIDED COIN, BUT as GOD confronting Mother of the World's Spiritual Harlotry, AND The CITY more involved with GREED in the world, which HE called Idolatry


Colossians 3:5 (CSBBible)
5 Therefore, put to death what belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desire, and greed, which is idolatry.


Do not get the impression that I am mad at you. In fact I tried to end it a few posts back, BUT I decided it was TOO MUCH FUN to Debate you on this subject, not to continue. I know that the NAME OF THE CITY, is pure speculation, and ULTIMATELY GOD WILL HAVE HIS WORD FIT WHAT WAS PROPHESIED TO THE LETTER, WHEN IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE WITH.

Today's Sermon at Church was Rev. 18, and I knew it was coming, which started this thread. His Sermon was a little bit of a let down for me, as he did not even mention the two verses that indicate that the CITY, had to have a DEEP WATER PORT, and he thought the City's Name would be Babylon. He had speculated a THEORY that I have NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

In his sermon, he said this was a few years after the Church would be called home for the Wedding of the Lamb, and AFTER the Antichrist had beheaded most or all of the Tribulation Saints. Here is his SPECULATION: He theorized that the Antichrist had time not only to come to power over the 10 (soon to be 7) nation confederacy, but TO START TO BUILD BABYLON, to be the CENTER of his Government. After taking over the TEMPLE in Jerusalem, he would want to move his government into that REBUILT CITY Babylon. And he speculated that by the time Chapter 18, he would have almost the WHOLE WORLD UNDER HIS CONTROL.

I do not see where there is enough TIME to rebuilt the actual City of Babylon, and DEEPEN the Channel of the Euphrates River, to make it passable for big cargo ships (less than 7 years). Because, after that Seven Year Period, in Chapter 19, Christ's comes back.

Now there is ONE VERSE that will MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE for the Name of the CITY to be EITHER ROME or Jerusalem.


Revelation 18:21 (YLT)
21 And one strong messenger did take up a stone as a great millstone, and did cast it to the sea, saying, `Thus with violence shall Babylon be cast, the great city, and may not be found any more at all;

Revelation 18:21 (TLB)
21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder shaped like a millstone and threw it into the ocean and shouted, "Babylon, that great city, shall be thrown away as I have thrown away this stone, and she shall disappear forever.

Revelation 18:21 (NCV)
21 Then a powerful angel picked up a large stone, like one used for grinding grain, and threw it into the sea. He said: “In the same way, the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, and it will never be found again.

Revelation 18:21 (NASB)
21 Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.
 
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I stand amazed that many insist on Rome or Jerusalem while rejecting the facts that the characteristics found in Revelation and the Daughter of Babylon CANNOT apply unto those two entities....The Babylon John sees is a MYSTERY CITY that was yet future...HE knew ALL too well of Rome and Jerusalem....and it also amaze me how many flat dismiss the post I made on the Prodigy of Babylon (Daughter) without actually studying ALL the characteristics found. Also the fact that a YET FUTURE WORLD POWER is blended in with classical Babylon<---Found in no less than 7-8 books of the bible and some 12-14 chapters of the bible.....over 80 characteristics and when the math is done there is only one nation it can be....

300 million to 1 if you buy a lottery ticket to win
180 million to 1 you get struck by lightning and live every time you go outside

10,500,000,000 to 1 which kingdom it is when ALL 80 characteristics are applied to the NATIONS of the world right NOW!

Rome does play a part <---FALSE PROPHET "POPE" is the PART that it plays
ISLAM plays a part <----1st BEAST, Little HORN, A.K.A. MAN of SIN <--Anti-Christ SO CALLED comes out of ISLAM
FALSE GOD pushed<---ALLAH<--A god who his father's did not know he ^^ will recognize, scrutinize, embrace, promote, worship, enlarge and spread <---Abraham had Ishmael who God blessed with 12 tribes as well and out of Ishmael comes the Arabs and ISLAM/Allah.

Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is ALLAH <---ALL are Satan and history proves his ONGOING attempt to be worshiped as a GOD in MAN which was continually hindered by GOD and TIME because it was not yet time.

I know thou dwell where SATAN'S seat IS "THRONE" <---written unto church at Pergamos by JESUS <---THRONE of ZEUS was located at PERGAMOS

The last bastion with Christian churches, Christians freedom, and liberty MUST fall before the above can come on line....it is out of the ashes of the destruction of WESTERN GENTILE POWER that the BEAST rises........

WORLD GENTILE power began with Nebuchadnezzar and has spread West, culminated with the U.S. and has circumvented the globe with the U.S. invading and occupying Iraq <---regardless of who rejects this truth this is the truth.......
Many people have looked at the characteristics brother. and come up with much different view. I can just suggest, be open to others who study and come up with different views, Many who have done as much study as you have.