Is Messiah,(The Anointed One) the Father?

[rlm68]

Says who?

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.



This is from Paul!!

 

[trofimus]

Then that would make contentions against the Gospel of Thomas as Gnostic and therefore dismissed invalid.

Are women worthy of life?

 

[trofimus]

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

What Christ states on earth is the same in heaven!!

This is from Paul!!

This is about gospel to be equally for all.

 

[rlm68]

THIS CLAIMS THAT MATTHEW AND LUKE WAS WRITTEN LIKE THOMAS

Sayings of Thomas derive from a different tradition Although [the Gospel of Thomas] contains many sayings of Jesus that Luke and Matthew also include in their gospels, it contains other sayings that apparently derive from a tradition different from that of the synoptic gospels.38

 

[rlm68]

This is about gospel to be equally for all.

Yes, and will heaven be equal for all?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Thomas scrolls date before the 4 Gospels we use now.

I provided several scriptures we already find in the 4 Gospels we use now. Thomas is full of those scriptures found in all 4 Gospels. So to say no one quoted Thomas is a LIAR!!

Thomas was not used because it's clear Christ did not teach nor believe the trinity!!

The Gospel of Thomas was found in the Nag Hammadi library of gnostic writings. Various church fathers attributed it to the Manichaean gnostics. It's a forgery and obviously gnostic in character.

 

[trofimus]

Yes, and will heaven be equal for all?

Sure.

Now, back to thomas - are women worthy of life?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

THIS CLAIMS THAT MATTHEW AND LUKE WAS WRITTEN LIKE THOMAS

Sayings of Thomas derive from a different tradition Although [the Gospel of Thomas] contains many sayings of Jesus that Luke and Matthew also include in their gospels, it contains other sayings that apparently derive from a tradition different from that of the synoptic gospels.38

Yeah that other tradition is called gnosticism.

 

[rlm68]

I would say there are enough Biblical Scholars claiming Thomas IS NOT GNOSTIC that it should be seen as one of the Gospels!!

And female Biblical Scholars are also making this claim!!

AWESOME!!

 

[bluto]

I did post that. But Jude was written when all of those possible Books were available. And he said we have adequate knowledge now. But 400 years later some of those Books were banned.

Your point can only be relevant to when Jude wrote his letter, not 400 years after when the RCC removed Books!!

Are you claiming when Jude wrote his letter he knew as a fortune teller the RCC would ban certain Books?

Because we must believe that when Jude wrote this letter, those other Books were available. Especially since Jude quoted from Enoch, and we know the RCC banned Enoch.

So, if Jude knew these Books were being banned, why would he quote from a Book going to be banned?

Wait a minute again. Is the current Bible with its 66 books Gods word? Or to put it another way did God "inspire" the writers of the 66 books of the Bible? Just to be clear I am not talking about the other books you claim were banned.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[rlm68]

Yeah that other tradition is called gnosticism.

I just proved that it is not GNOSTIC!!

 

[trofimus]

I would say there are enough Biblical Scholars claiming Thomas IS NOT GNOSTIC that it should be seen as one of the Gospels!!

And female Biblical Scholars are also making this claim!!

AWESOME!!

Are female biblical scholars worthy of life?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The theology of the Gospel of Thomas does not jive with any particular system of Gnosis be it Naaseene, Valentinian, Basilidian, Carpocratian, or otherwise. … The traditional markers of Gnostic ideas are not present. There is no Sophia, Demiurge, Pleroma, Error, Aeons, or Archons.33

This Biblical Scholar claims IT IS NOT GNOSTIC!!


another one, there are many who say Thomas IS NOT GNOSTIC!!

This reading of the Gospel of Thomas places it squarely within early orthodoxy rather than outside. The Gospel of Thomas does not represent the voice of some late generic Gnostic heresy or some early unique sapiential35 Christianity. Rather it is quite cogent with early Syrian Christianity as described in the oldest literature from the area.36

Manichaean gnostics

"Origen listed the "Gospel according to Thomas" as being among the heterodox apocryphal gospels known to him (Hom. in Luc. 1). In the 4th and 5th centuries, various Church Fathers wrote that the Gospel of Thomas was highly valued by Mani. In the 4th century, Cyril of Jerusalem mentioned a "Gospel of Thomas" twice in his Catechesis: "The Manichæans also wrote a Gospel according to Thomas, which being tinctured with the fragrance of the evangelic title corrupts the souls of the simple sort."[24] and "Let none read the Gospel according to Thomas: for it is the work not of one of the twelve Apostles, but of one of the three wicked disciples of Manes."[25] The 5th century Decretum Gelasianum includes "A Gospel attributed to Thomas which the Manichaean use" in its list of heretical books.[26]"​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas

 

[rlm68]

Wait a minute again. Is the current Bible with its 66 books Gods word? Or to put it another way did God "inspire" the writers of the 66 books of the Bible? Just to be clear I am not talking about the other books you claim were banned.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I never claimed those Books were not inspired by God, I claimed verses were tampered with by the Council.

But even if they are inspired by God, those others Books existed at same time when Jude wrote his letter. That is the difference.

They already existed or Jude could not add Enoch!!

 

[trofimus]

I never claimed those Books were not inspired by God, I claimed verses were tampered with by the Council.

What Council?

 

[rlm68]

Are female biblical scholars worthy of life?

OK, you believe in the TRINITY.
So, let's use your philosophy here!!

The Father -WORD -Holy Spirit are all considered MALE.
THERE ARE NO FEMALE ANGELS!!

ALL OF HEAVEN IS MALE!!

why would this verse bother you knowing ALL OF HEAVEN IS MALE ALREADY?

 

[trofimus]

OK, you believe in the TRINITY.
So, let's use your philosophy here!!

The Father -WORD -Holy Spirit are all considered MALE.
THERE ARE NO FEMALE ANGELS!!

ALL OF HEAVEN IS MALE!!

why would this verse bother you knowing ALL OF HEAVEN IS MALE ALREADY?

So women must become males to get to heaven?

 

[rlm68]

I need to run but we will continue later.

God Bless ALL of YOU my Brothers and Sisters in Christ!!

 

[rlm68]

So women must become males to get to heaven?

Why would heaven be ALL MALE and this verse bother you? It matches heaven?

I must go for now...but I don't see why this verse is an issue knowing ALL OF HEAVEN IS MALE DOMINATED!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I just proved that it is not GNOSTIC!!

I don't think a threshold for proof could get much lower.