Not By Works

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

LW97 said:

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

Shamah said:

dcontroversal said:

No 2nd Peter warned people would twist Paul's words into the delusion of the Lawless...

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmiĕn.”

mailmandan · Aug 19, 2018

Shamah said:

Believers are not sinless, absolutely perfect, “in of themselves” and believers are not lawless either. Believers find their righteousness in Christ (Romans 4:4-6; Philippians 3:9).

Since we are not under the Law of Moses, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. The old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments, which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

More exhaustive list:

Matthew 2:2; 2:8; 2:11; 4:9; 4:10; 14:33; 15:9; 28:9; 28:17, Mark 7:7, Luke 4:7; 4:8; 24:52, John 4:20,21,22,23,24; 9:38; 12:20, Acts 7:43; 8:27; 16:14; 17:23; 18:7; 18:13; 19:27; 24:11, Romans 1:25; 12:1, 1 Corinthians 14:25, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 1:6; 9:1; 9:6; 10:2; 11:21, Revelation 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 9:20; 11:1; 11:16; 14:7; 15:4; 19:4; 19:10; 22:8; 22:9

Acts 15:20,29, Romans 1:25, 1 Corinthians 6:9; Chapter 8; 10:7,14; 12:2, 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:9, Galatians 5:20, Ephesians 5:5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Revelation 2:14, 20; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15

Matthew 12:36, Ephesians 5:4, Romans 2:24, Revelation 16:9

Matthew 15:5, Matthew 19:19, Mark 7:10; 10:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2

Matthew 5:21; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29; 13:9, James 2:11

Matthew 5:27,28,32; 19:9,18, Mark 10:11,19, Luke 16:18; 18:20, Romans 13:9, James 2:11, 2 Peter 2:14

Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 2:21; 13:9, Ephesians 4:28

Matthew 15:9; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20

Mark 7:22, Luke 12:15, Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, Hebrews 13:5, 2 Peter 2:14

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

mailmandan said:

I never said anyone wa perfect, I said the oppisite.

I sain NONE are perfect.... but this is not excuse to ignore all COmmands or some...

I not arguing tis if you think some or all of the Law is abolished, your choice.

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

I will say this so you say the Sabbath is changed or whatever...

the first "times" and the "time" in "time and times and the dividing of time" are different aramaicwords in the original...

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change appointed times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

“appointed times” is word #H2166 – zeman, Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) a set time, time, season

H2166 זְמָן zman (zem-awn') n-m., an appointed occasion., [(Aramaic) from H2165], KJV: season, time., Root(s): H2165

H2165 זְמָן zman (zem-awn') n-m., an appointed occasion., [from H2163], KJV: season, time., Root(s): H2163

H2163 זָמַן zaman (zaw-man') v., to fix (a time)., [a primitive root], KJV: appoint.

Psalms 74:4, “Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your appointments; They have set up their own signs as signs.”

Genesis 1:14, "And the Mighty One said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years.”

Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times. The sun knows its going down."

“appointed times” is word #H4150 - Original Word: מוֹעֵד, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: moed, Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade'), Short Definition: meeting, Word Origin from yaad, Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting

TruthTalk · Aug 19, 2018

UnderGrace said:

Hi UnderGrace, Hypocrite or laughable are appropriate words for someone who considers themself perfect because there is no human being who is perfect, except Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Therefore the human race needs a Perfect Savior, "who knew no sin." who would pay the price for our sin, praise God.

The Apostle Paul writes that he has a "sin nature", that, "it is sin living in me." Paul knew just how sinful sin really is. And God's law revealed to him the sin of coveting, and then produced in him every kind of coveting.

Can we chose not to sin, yes. Can we break the chains of sin that so easily beset us. absolutely yes, we are more than conquerors. Romans8:37

Sinless Perfectionist are living a lie, and they do not realize the sinfulness of sin, repent and believe the Good News, Jesus died for our sins.

Romans7:16-20
16) And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17) As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18) For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19) For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20) Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but
"it is sin living in me" that does it.

Romans5:12
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"

Romans7:25
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Psalm51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

BillG · Aug 19, 2018

Shamah said:

And this law being?
What's your thoughts?

Hebrews 10:16-18 (NKJV)

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

What's your thoughts on V 17-18?

V16 above quotes laws, yet the Bible verse you quote says 'Law'

Why is that different from the verse in the NKJV?

VCO · Aug 19, 2018

Studyman said:

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No, you cannot use one verse to cancel out, or contradict another, GOD DID NOT MAKE ANY CONTRADICTIONS. My BIBLE has NO Contradictions; how about yours.

I am a BELIEVER that THINKS GOD WANTS OUR LOVE FOR HIM TO BE EQUAL EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, NOT just One Day A week like you seem too. However, I do not criticize you for wanting to worship ONLY on a Saturday. Besides, Jesus reiterated 9 of the 10 Commandments, guess which one HE DELIBERATELY LEFT OUT? The Sabbath Commandment, because it was INTENDED to be a Sign of the Covenant between GOD and ISRAEL, it says SO:

Exodus 31:12-17 (HCSB)
12 The LORD said to Moses:
13 “Tell the Israelites: You must observe My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, so that you will know that I am Yahweh who sets you apart.
14 Observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Whoever profanes it must be put to death. If anyone does work on it, that person must be cut off from his people.
15 Work may be done for six days, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who does work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
16 The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign forever between Me and the Israelites, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”

Because of GOD'S EXPLANATION, I am not CONVINCED that I should ESTEEM ONE DAY ABOVE THE REST; I should have a HEART ATTITUDE OF WORSHIP TO THE LORD, every day of the WEEK, and therefore I can attend Worship Services ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, or ALL DAYS OF A WEEK.

Romans 14:5 (ESV)
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

The SABBATH, was and IS, a specific COMMANDMENT that is a Sign of the Covenant between GOD and ISRAEL forever.

Hebrews 7:22 (HCSB)
22 So Jesus has also become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:6-7 (CSBBible)
6 But Jesus has now obtained a superior ministry, and to that degree he is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been established on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion for a second one.

Hebrews 7:12-22 (NRSV)
12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
13 Now the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15 It is even more obvious when another priest arises, resembling Melchizedek, {.Both KING and High Priest.}
16 one who has become a priest, not through a legal requirement concerning physical descent, but through the power of an indestructible life.
17 For it is attested of him, "You are a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek." {.Both KING and High Priest.}
18 There is, on the one hand, the abrogation of an earlier commandment because it was weak and ineffectual
19 (for the law made nothing perfect); there is, on the other hand, the introduction of a better hope, through which we approach God.
20 This was confirmed with an oath; for others who became priests took their office without an oath,
21 but this one became a priest with an oath, because of the one who said to him, "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind,
'You are a priest forever'"—
22 accordingly Jesus has also become the guarantee of a better covenant.

JESUS did not deliberately mention that we should keep the SABBATH LAW, because IT IS A SIGN OF THE FIRST COVENANT, and we HAVE a Better Covenant, the SECOND COVENANT. So what Change in the LAW did HE substitute it with?

Hebrews 10:23-25 (NRSV)
23 Let us hold fast to the confession of our hope without wavering {every day of the week}, for he who has promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds, {Notice that Good Deeds are PART OF LOVE, not Salvation.}
25 not neglecting to meet together {no mention of a specific day}, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching. {.The Day of Christ, when Michael calls us OUT to go to the WEDDING of the LAMB.}

⇧ That, in my opinion, is the necessary Substitute for the Sabbath Law, mentioned in Heb. 7:12.

dcontroversal · Aug 19, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Hi UnderGrace, Hypocrite or laughable are appropriate words for someone who considers themself perfect because there is no human being who is perfect, except Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Therefore the human race needs a Perfect Savior, "who knew no sin." who would pay the price for our sin, praise God.

The Apostle Paul writes that he has a "sin nature", that, "it is sin living in me." Paul knew just how sinful sin really is. And God's law revealed to him the sin of coveting, and then produced in him every kind of coveting.

Can we chose not to sin, yes. Can we break the chains of sin that so easily beset us. absolutely yes, we are more than conquerors. Romans8:37

Sinless Perfectionist are living a lie, and they do not realize the sinfulness of sin, repent and believe the Good News, Jesus died for our sins.

Romans7:16-20
16) And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17) As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18) For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19) For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20) Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but
"it is sin living in me" that does it.

Romans5:12
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"

Romans7:25
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Psalm51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Just for info purposes....the word translated hypocrite comes from two Greek words and means opinionated one.......

UnderGrace · Aug 19, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Wow ..very interesting, thanks!!

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

BillG said:

Hebrews 10:16-18 is a quote from Jeremiah 31 thus:
Translation matters not, the original manuscript says "Torah" now this will make people freak out, no no it cant be, yeah well that is what it says. His Toran in our hearts.:

◄ Jeremiah 31:33 ►

Text Analysis
StrTranslitHebrewEnglishMorph
3588 [e]kîכִּ֣יforConj
2063 [e]zōṯזֹ֣אתthisPro
1285 [e]hab-bə-rîṯהַבְּרִ֡ית[shall be] the covenantNoun
834 [e]’ă-šerאֲשֶׁ֣רthatPrt
3772 [e]’eḵ-rōṯאֶכְרֹת֩I will makeVerb
854 [e]’eṯ-אֶת־withPrep
1004 [e]bêṯבֵּ֨יתthe houseNoun
3478 [e]yiś-rā-’êlיִשְׂרָאֵ֜לof IsraelNoun
310 [e]’a-ḥă-rêאַחֲרֵ֨יAfterAdv
3117 [e]hay-yā-mîmהַיָּמִ֤יםdaysNoun
1992 [e]hā-hêmהָהֵם֙thosePro
5002 [e]nə-’um-נְאֻם־saidNoun
3068 [e]Yah-weh,יְהוָ֔הthe LORDNoun
5414 [e]nā-ṯat-tîנָתַ֤תִּיI will putVerb
853 [e]’eṯ-אֶת־ - Acc
8451 [e]tō-w-rā-ṯîתּֽוֹרָתִי֙my lawNoun

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

If we let the MEssiah tell us nothing has chaged from the Law:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

SO how is it different?

the levitical priesthood is abolished and the priesthood of Yahshua after the order of the malak zadiq is established forever, and the Law is transferred under Yahshua mediation, this is written in Hebrews:

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”

“changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established

As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.

“there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.

“change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.

As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.

dcontroversal · Aug 19, 2018

UnderGrace said:

It carries the idea of an answer, or opinionated response....and within that guise is a fake or fraud......

Notice how the Pharisees always came back with their view, opinion, answer which also aligned with their fraudulent stance for God....

blue_ladybug · Aug 19, 2018

Enjoyed my sinless perfection this morning with 2 cups of Natural Bliss iced coffee, a new brand recommended to me by Mailmandan... lol

dcontroversal · Aug 19, 2018

blue_ladybug said:

HAHAH I enjoyed my energy drink called "Tweaker" at 6:15 AM HAHHAHHA and then a double shot of Espresso at 10:00

VCO · Aug 19, 2018

LW97 said:

YOU FORGOT ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

WE do NOT follow the LAW, out of a Sense of Duty. WE FOLLOW HIS COMMANDS, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM.
It is the MOTIVE of our HEART, that Christ is concerned about.

With your THEORY, how do you get by these VERSES:

1 John 5:2-3 (HCSB)
2 This is how we know that we love God’s children when we love God and obey His commands.
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,

Now remember JESUS Himself, Reiterated in one form or another 9 of the 10 commandments.

If you do not have the Motive of LOVE, it is wood, hay, and stubble, at best; or the one that has never been born again.

1 Chronicles 28:9 (HCSB)
9 “As for you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands the intention of every thought. If you seek Him, He will be found by you, but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Revelation 2:23 (ESV)
23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.

SEE MY LAST POST ABOVE: #68,887

justpassinthrough · Aug 19, 2018

Studyman said:

Being "under the Law of Moses" in the context it was used, means being dead. A dead man can not serve anyone. But Jesus "freed" me from this "Death" so I am free to SERVE again, as it is written.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

I did things which caused my death as do all men.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, (Alive) and not in the oldness of the letter. (Dead in my sins with no hope)

This time I understand that "MY WORKS" will lead to nothing but my death. So I am to repent of serving my own mind, and "turn to God" and Serve Him. Those who do this are granted "Repentance" as it is written.

I also know there are voices who would turn me away from the God of the Bible to serve religions of man. Jesus, as the Word, in His tender mercy, gave me the perfect example of how the perfect deceiver will do this. All I need to do is believe in Him.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

The deceiver will use Part's of God's Word to deceive us as the Word which became Flesh show us here. Very cleaver tactic, but it has perfected this deception to a tee.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The next thing the perfect deceiver does, who uses God's Word to deceive, is to convince folks they are already saved. Already immortal. This is important to SEE in this example Jesus, as the Word, had written for us.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (in the day you reject God's instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Then the serpent goes in for the kill. It convinces folks that God is not interested in our well being. That God's Laws are against us and that we are already gods in our mind and therefore OUR VISION is righteous while God's instructions are burdensome, a Yoke we can't bear, and are against us. And it uses parts of God's Word to do this.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.

But that wasn't all. She not only was deceived herself of these things, but she also convinced others around her of this very same deception.

"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

So I don't believe in the implications of the religious doctrines of many who claim God created Law so Grievous, so burdensome, so many in number that it is impossible for mankind to follow them, then, at the same time murdered men who didn't follow them. The implication that man is simply an innocent victim of an unjust God with unjust Laws is a popular doctrine but false just the same.

Then they preach a Messiah, named Jesus, had to come and "Free" us from the unjust Wrath of this unjust God, and "remove" His unjust instructions, including the impossible to honor 4th Commandment.

They don't tell us that it is our "DEATH" that Jesus freed us from, our deserved death. And they don't tell us that God's Laws are "good" "Just" and "Holy". They don't tell us it was the Temporary Priesthood and it's "Works of the Law" for remission of sins that Jesus replaced. It is written in the Bible for folks all to see, just like Eve knew God's instructions in her heart and rejected them anyway.

So why do men allow this to happen to them? Jesus also tells us the answer to this question.

Jer. 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Only God can reveal this truth about ourselves.)
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

And again.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

So like Paul, I believe "ALL THINGS" written in the Law and Prophets. Since I believe in Him and His Word's I understand that I can not listen to any other "voices" even if they claim to be from God, and in some cases, because they claim to be from God.

Duet. 8:
1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

And He said this again just so it would stick in my human mind.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

I am posting this for you JPT in the hopes that you might consider that maybe the Bible is truth, and religious man with all their doctrines and images of God and religious traditions are not.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Is. 65:
6 Also the sons of the stranger, (The gentile) that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

In His Love.

SM

Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15

Is the Church obligated to obey Exodus 31:15, under the New Covenant?

JPT

TruthTalk · Aug 19, 2018

dcontroversal said:

The Greek word itself is a compound noun: it's made up of two Greek words that literally translate as “an interpreter from underneath.”

Good info decon, from my dictionary the two Greek words are; "Two Faced" or try, "un-trustworthy".....

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

dcontroversal said:

TruthTalk said:

From my studies I sum it up as "an actor" "one who puts on a fake show"

G5273 ὑποκριτής hupokrites (hï-po-kriy-tees') n.
1. a stage actor under an assumed character.
2. (figuratively) a dissembler, a stage acting hypocrite.
[from G5271]
KJV: hypocrite
Root(s): G5271
See also: G5272, G4942

G5271 ὑποκρίνομαι hupokrinomai (hï-po-kriy'-no-mai) v.
1. to decide (speak or act) under a false part.
2. (figuratively) to pretend, dissemble. to deliver a performance.
3. (passively) to be hypocritical.
[middle voice from G5259 and G2919]
KJV: feign
Root(s): G5259, G2919
See also: G4942, G5272, G5273

ὑποκριτής, ὑποκριτου, ὁ (ὑποκρίνομαι, which see);
1. one who answers, an interpreter (Plato, Lucian).

2. an actor, stage-player (Aristophanes, Xenophon, Plato, Aelian, Herodian).

3. in Biblical Greek, a dissembler, pretender, hypocrite: Matthew 6:2, 5, 16; Matthew 7:5; Matthew 15:7; Matthew 16:3 Rec.; Rec., (13 Tdf.),; ; Mark 7:6; Luke 6:42; Luke 11:44 R L in brackets; Luke 12:56; Luke 13:15. (Job 34:30; Job 36:13, for חָנֵף, profane, impious.) (Mention is made of Heimsoeth, De voce ὑποκριτής comment. (Bonnae, 1874, 4to.).)

TruthTalk · Aug 19, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Grace plus works counterfeit gospel, is no different than a modern day pharisee, it's all for show, motivated by their ego and personal gain.

Matthew23:1-5; A warning against hypocrisy
23) Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4) They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5) Everything they do is done for people to see.

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."

Mat 23:23, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion and the belief. These need to have been done, without neglecting the others.”

Cee · Aug 19, 2018

Zmouth said:

The purpose of the Law was to lead us to faith in Christ. Our faith establishes it.

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