Walking In the Fear of God

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pjharrison

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Yes, but is it not wonderful that Jesus, by his sacrifice, washed, those that he died for, as whit as snow. God says that he looks upon those that he died for as holy and without blame, and he remembers their sins no more, that their sins are, in his mind, as far away as the east is from the west. So, be at peace, if you are one of those that Jesus died for, even if you die before you repent of a sin you have done, you are still going to heaven. We do have an amazing and merciful God!
So in that case everyone is going to heaven. Go ahead and sin and ask forgiveness later. God forbid. Indeed.
 

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Not everyone is going to heaven, because Jesus only died for those that God gave him. Eph 6:37-38.
Verse 38 says that Jesus will not lose, even one, of those he died for. so, even if the ones that he died for,die with an unrepented sin, he will not lose them. In God's eyes, their sins are as far away as the east is from the west. You can travel north around the globe and end up going south, but if you travel east, you will always be going east and never end up going west. Is it not amazing that he pinned it that way?
 
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What was Jesus's purpose to die on the cross?
His purpose for dying was so that we are able to stop living by the soul and live by the spirit. He walked on the earth as a man without sin. An example for us to follow. What did he tell the woman caught in adultery? Go and leave your life of sinning. Grace doesn't cover intentional sin. Where did you learn that?
 

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So in that case everyone is going to heaven. Go ahead and sin and ask forgiveness later. God forbid. Indeed.
Did you read John 6:37-38? Not all mankind are going to heaven, just those that God gave to Jesus to die for their sins.
 
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Verse 38 says that Jesus will not lose, even one, of those he died for. so, even if the ones that he died for,die with an unrepented sin, he will not lose them. In God's eyes, their sins are as far away as the east is from the west. You can travel north around the globe and end up going south, but if you travel east, you will always be going east and never end up going west. Is it not amazing that he pinned it that way?
This is what happen to the ones who are saved but keep sinning: 1 Corinthians 5:5 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the LORD.
 
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pjharrison

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Did you read John 6:37-38? Not all mankind are going to heaven, just those that God gave to Jesus to die for their sins.
1 Corinthians 5:5 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the LORD.
Sorry but you can't keep intentionally sinning.
 

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His purpose for dying was so that we are able to stop living by the soul and live by the spirit. He walked on the earth as a man without sin. An example for us to follow. What did he tell the woman caught in adultery? Go and leave your life of sinning. Grace doesn't cover intentional sin. Where did you learn that?
Ps 103:10-11-12.
 
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pjharrison

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Psalm 103:10-12 10he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. 11For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; 12as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Exodus 20: 20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."
Do you see what fearing the Lords for us: It keep us from sinning.
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This is what happen to the ones who are saved but keep sinning: 1 Corinthians 5:5 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the LORD.
I believe this chapter is Paul teaching the brethren in the church that is at Corinth how to discipline the church members. Verse 2, And ye are puffed up, (disturbed about the sin of this person, but have not taken action to discipline him) and have not mourned, that he hath done this deed might be taken away from you. Paul says, even though he is absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I was present, to exclude this member from the church. I believe this scripture to teach that the wicked sin of this person, if he was one of those that God gave to his Son to die for, that his soul will go to heaven. Most of God's children do not understand just how vile we are, by our fleshly nature, that we still have to contend with, even after we have been born of the Spirit. Look what David did, who was the apple of God's eye, He committed adultery, lied, and committed murder.
 
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pjharrison

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I believe this chapter is Paul teaching the brethren in the church that is at Corinth how to discipline the church members. Verse 2, And ye are puffed up, (disturbed about the sin of this person, but have not taken action to discipline him) and have not mourned, that he hath done this deed might be taken away from you. Paul says, even though he is absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I was present, to exclude this member from the church. I believe this scripture to teach that the wicked sin of this person, if he was one of those that God gave to his Son to die for, that his soul will go to heaven. Most of God's children do not understand just how vile we are, by our fleshly nature, that we still have to contend with, even after we have been born of the Spirit. Look what David did, who was the apple of God's eye, He committed adultery, lied, and committed murder.
You are still justifying consciously sinning. The sinning has to stop. You get no other options.
 

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Psalm 103:10-12 10he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. 11For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; 12as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Exodus 20: 20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."
Do you see what fearing the Lords for us: It keep us from sinning.
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I am not saying that fear does not have duel meanings. We are supposed to be scarred of God's chastening us when we are disobedient. But I am thankful that he does, because his chastening means that he loves us. Heb 12:6-7-8.
 

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You are still justifying consciously sinning. The sinning has to stop. You get no other options.
I have been regenerated ( born of the Spirit ), but because I still carry the baggage of my fleshly nature, I often am tempted, by my fleshly nature, and at times yield to that temptation. I know that you must also do the same at times. Paul talks about his struggle with the flesh. Rom 7:14-25.
 
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I have been regenerated ( born of the Spirit ), but because I still carry the baggage of my fleshly nature, I often am tempted, by my fleshly nature, and at times yield to that temptation. I know that you must also do the same at times. Paul talks about his struggle with the flesh. Rom 7:14-25.
Paul is talking about the thoughts that still come into your mind. You can't control every thought that comes into your mind.
The devil is working all the time to poison our thoughts.
rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
 
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pjharrison

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Paul is talking about the thoughts that still come into your mind. You can't control every thought that comes into your mind.
The devil is working all the time to poison our thoughts.
rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
Do you really think Paul was walking around committing sin? God forbid.
 
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Seems to still be a mixed message, you understand there were no born again before the cross?
Would you agree that Jaudas
No man can tie God's hands! Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? God is all powerful and accomplishes all his will. If it is his will that all mankind live in heaven, then all mankind will live in heaven, but I do not think the scriptures will uphold that.
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Hebrews 1:7-10
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7.)And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8.)But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9.)Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10.)And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
 

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You are still justifying consciously sinning. The sinning has to stop. You get no other options.
I admire your interest in trying to learn the truth of what the scriptures teach. I think that you may have a lack of knowledge of just how compassionate, merciful, powerful, comforting, and a God that accomplishes all his will. 2Ti 1:7 says For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. We read that God is a jealous God, and we are afraid of his chastening, but the fear that we have is an understanding that his correction is because he loves us.
 

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Therefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: for our God is a consuming fire” – Hebrews 12:28-29.

The above scripture tells us that godly fear is a work of grace. Nowadays, there are very few teachings about the fear of God. And most of the few teachers that teach about the fear of God, define the fear of God to mean the same thing as the love of God. Others interpret it to mean reverence. But the above opening text clearly differentiates reverence from godly fear with the word “And”.

The fear of God is distinct from the love of God and reverence for God. We can clearly see this distinction by checking through the original words which they were translated from.

The love of God is from the Greek word “Agape”, meaning affection. Reverence for God, as used in our opening text, is from the Greek word “entrepo” meaning, to respect. While the fear of God which we are now discussing, is from the Greek word “eulabeia” meaning caution or dread.

Hence, we are to walk in the fear or dread of God for our own good. The Lord doesn’t want us to fear anyone or anything, but he does want us to fear and tremble before him. Hence, in the new covenant, he says he will put his fear in our hearts, so we shouldn’t depart from him (Jeremiah 32:40).

Then the Lord Jesus tells us again, that we should not fear those that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather we should fear him (God) who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28).

So Why Should We Fear God?

Sometime back, while I shared this message of the fear of God with a young man, he asked me; “can you love and fear your father at the same time?” I replied, “Yes, I loved my parents for whom they were to me, but at the same time, I feared them, because if I messed up, I would be rebuked or punished”

When John talks about perfect love casting away fear, he meant condemnational fear (1John 4:18). And this condemnational (bond) fear, that John says perfect love casts away, is different from the godly fear we are talking about here.

I have felt both of them. Condemnational fear, like John says, has torment. It leads to self and people condemnation. It also leads to struggle with sin. It kills faith. As I struggled with this kind of fear some years ago, like John says, my encounter with the divine love of God by revelation, gave me eternal victory from the clutches of condemantional fear.

While godly fear on the other hand, is a gift of the Spirit of Grace. It confers mastery over sin. Godly fear helps you depart from sin and perfect holiness (2 Corinthians 7:1). Godly fear stabilises love and faith in the heart of a believer.

As a matter of fact, many Christian who confess righteousness with no practical evidence of righteousness in their characters and words, are actually suffering from the missing link of the fear of God. They get carried away with God’s love, goodness and faith. But pay absolutely no attention to the fear of God, divine severity and eternal judgement…

Because they have been wrongly taught or wrongly believe that the fear of God is the same thing as the Love of God or mere reverence or awe.

Now let’s see the scriptural reasons why we need to fear God...

Securing Our Eternal Salvation: “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”—Phil 2:12. From scriptures, we see that a saved soul can be cut off if he doesn’t work out his salvation with caution and trembling (Romans 11:20-22). Judas Iscariot lost his bishopric because he didn’t work out his salvation with fear and trembling.



Mastery in Holiness: From scriptures we see that the fear of God is the master or perfect key for Holy or godly living. Here is exactly what the word of God says concerning this:

“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God” 2Corinthians 7:1.

Enjoying Divine Wisdom: The bible tells us that the fear of God gives us access to divine wisdom, which is uncanny wisdom. As a matter of fact, the bible defines wisdom to mean the fear of God. Here is the exact scripture: “And unto man he said, behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding”—Job 28:28. Hence, to be walking in the fear of God, is to be walking in divine wisdom.

To Enjoy Divine Blessings: “Praise you the Lord, blessed is the man that fears the Lord that delights greatly in his commandments. His descendants shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed. Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endures forever”—Psalm 112:1-3. So the man or woman that walks in the fear of God enjoys divine blessings amongst which is wealth and riches.

So the list above, are the major biblical reasons we must have to walk in the fear of God. God does not want us to be afraid of anyone or anything. Neither does he want us to have condemnational or tormenting fear. But he does desire and instructs us to fear him for our ultimate and eternal good.

Remain Blessed!

Emeke Odili
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Even though The Bible tells us to .......fear G-d........, there is little fear of G-d today because the new age religion belief that OSAS...is controlling and that no matter what one does or does not do....salvation rights are some how guaranteed.
This is one of the ...great deceptions.....folks are buying into resulting in self spiritual destruction.
 

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Do you really think Paul was walking around committing sin? God forbid.
He says he was, and I believe him. I, also, know that ,at times, I also do, and believe you do to, else, why would have to repent?
 
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pjharrison

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He says he was, and I believe him. I, also, know that ,at times, I also do, and believe you do to, else, why would have to repent?
I don't commit sin intentionally any more. If Paul was saying that he would have been contradicting himself. Whatever sin you are doing, Just stop or fix it .