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john 13
12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16 Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

john 15
The World Hates the Disciples
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name,for they do not know the one who sent me.22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’
 

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3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”
 

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Yes..i meant the jewish people..didnt they get a payoff n the religious leaders had it in for Jesus from day 1...
J...,

Pure political.
Not unlike what we are experiencing currently with opposition to our President.
Not unlike conditions existing just before our civil war.
A cause or person in each of those type situations.
With Christ it was both person and politics.
 

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Praise God. We need look no further than the Christ and His instruction in Righteousness. Religious man with their doctrines and traditions will come and go. But God's Word Lasts forever.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


I assume you do not go to CHURCH then. Does not surprise me much, because all of your twisted interpretations, if that is the case, come right out of your own head. How do you deal with being OBEDIENT to the "ONE ANOTHER'S" of the Bible ? ? ?

Hebrews 10:23-25 (NIV)
23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.
25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Romans 12:10 (ESV)
10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

Romans 12:16 (HCSB)
16 Be in agreement with one another. Do not be proud; instead, associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own estimation.

Romans 13:8 (HCSB)
8 Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 14:19 (HCSB)
19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another.


So IF you are not Fellowshipping with other Believers on a regular basis, HOW ARE YOU BEING OBEDIENT TO THE ONE ANOTHER'S IN THE BIBLE ? ? ?

AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE REJECTING:


Ephesians 4:11-13 (CSBBible)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 equipping the saints for the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God's Son, growing into maturity with a stature measured by Christ's fullness.

If you really do not think WE do not need Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers, YOU ARE REJECTING WHAT GOD HAS ORDAINED.

If you do not think you NEED to be sitting in a pew to be taught the WORD, no wonder you are in constant disagreement with almost everyone that is here?
 

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I assume you do not go to CHURCH then. Does not surprise me much, because all of your twisted interpretations, if that is the case, come right out of your own head. How do you deal with being OBEDIENT to the "ONE ANOTHER'S" of the Bible ? ? ?

Hebrews 10:23-25 (NIV)
23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.
25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Romans 12:10 (ESV)
10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

Romans 12:16 (HCSB)
16 Be in agreement with one another. Do not be proud; instead, associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own estimation.

Romans 13:8 (HCSB)
8 Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 14:19 (HCSB)
19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another.


So IF you are not Fellowshipping with other Believers on a regular basis, HOW ARE YOU BEING OBEDIENT TO THE ONE ANOTHER'S IN THE BIBLE ? ? ?

AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE REJECTING:


Ephesians 4:11-13 (CSBBible)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 equipping the saints for the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God's Son, growing into maturity with a stature measured by Christ's fullness.

If you really do not think WE do not need Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers, YOU ARE REJECTING WHAT GOD HAS ORDAINED.

If you do not think you NEED to be sitting in a pew to be taught the WORD, no wonder you are in constant disagreement with almost everyone that is here?
ARE YOU REALLY OBEDIENT TO GOD AS YOU CLAIM IT TO SHOW YOUR LOVE FOR GOD?

HERE'S WHAT THE LORD IS SAYING...

matthew 19
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?”Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect,go, sell your possessions and give to the poor,and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

AND IF YOU REJECT THIS THEN YOU ARE A LIAR.

3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word,love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
 

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Actually sin is defined as "Transgressing God's Law". And man has been trying to re-define it since the serpent convinced Eve "You shall surely not die".
I repeat, whether we transgress the law, or rebel against the law, rebellion is stronger than simple transgression, nobody here is trying to change God's law of love that runs through the whole Bible.

(Except maybe those who wish to override God's law of love by superimposing the law of Moses.)
 

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But like He taught.
Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Deception is a Yoke slavery, death is a Yoke of slavery, But
Paul called God's Law spiritual, Holy, Just and Good.

At least this is what the Scripture teaches.
So dump the Mosaic Law which is death.
 

PS

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Why were they lost? Because the Priest's, which were in charge of administering God's laws, were "teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men" and not from God. They were "placing heavy burdens on the backs of the people", They had "omitted" the weightier matter of the Law of God. It is all there in your Bible Cee, you just have to stop listening to all those other voices out there, and "Believe" in the Christ.
That is why God instituted a New Covenant.

They, and still today, people continue with the Old Covenant, "even though one rose from the dead."
 

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19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


OUR LORD JESUS BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE FATHER INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES TO TEACH OBEDIENCE UNTO ALL NATIONS.


IF ANYONE WOULD TEACH THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORD, TEACHINGS, LAWS AND COMMANDS, IS NOT NECESSARY OR PART OF SALVATION, DOES HE NOT TEACH CONTRARY TO THE LORD’S TEACHINGS?


WHEN THE LORD SAID THAT “IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS”, AND SOMEONE ELSE WOULD SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD WILL NOT SAVE ANYONE BECAUSE “FAITH ALONE SAVES”. IS IT NOT A CLEAR REJECTION, NULLIFICATION, DISRESPECT, DISOBEDIENCE, UNBELIEF AND MOCKERY OF GOD’S WORD?


15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being ABOMINABLE, and DISOBEDIENT and unto every good work REPROBATE.


4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, TURNING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO (A LICENSE FOR) LASCIVIOUSNESS, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


...Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men….Full well ye reject the commandment of God... making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.(mark 7:6-13)


...because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.(isaiah 5:20-24)


...Be not deceived; GÒD IS NOT MOCKED: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.(galatians 6:7-10)


32who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.



IS IT NOT APPOINTED FOR MEN TO DIE ONCE AND FACE JUDGMENT AFTER? (hebrews 9:27-28)


11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw THE DEAD, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOÙND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.


“FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD”


JESUS HAS NOT FOUND YOUR WORKS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. REMEMBER THEREFORE WHÀT YOU HEARD AND RECEIVED. OBEY IT, AND REPENT.(revelations 3:1-6)



47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48HE THAT REJECTETH ME, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL. JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
 
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I'll be ignoring you now because I don't consider just posting Scriptures a fruitful discussion. I have a Bible already.
Amen brother......one thing I have discovered on this site.....ALMOST without exception, most of the workers for, Cainologists, supposed law keepers, modern day Pharisees, Lawyers etc. are as deceptive as they come......I just put one on ignore in another thread who would do the following to push his "I keep myself saved false dogma"...

a. Embellish or change what I said
b. Conveniently leave off parts of a verse when it suited making his points
c. Ignore obvious context
d. Ignore Greek verb tense
e. Lie about what has been said
f. Twist things more than an employee at an Aunt Aunties Pretzel shop

etc....It is impossible to engage someone who will not be honest and or true to what has been said and or is being discussed....The tragic truth....SATAN in the garden EMBELLISHED the word of God to make it into a lie.....there is a reason that GOD said to NOT ADD or DIMINISH OUGHT from his word and the modus operandi of these people is to do one or the other..................................
 

Studyman

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="VCO, post: 3693052, member: 178202"]I assume you do not go to CHURCH then. Does not surprise me much, because all of your twisted interpretations, if that is the case, come right out of your own head. How do you deal with being OBEDIENT to the "ONE ANOTHER'S" of the Bible ? ? ?

Hebrews 10:23-25 (NIV)
23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.
25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Romans 12:10 (ESV)
10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

Romans 12:16 (HCSB)
16 Be in agreement with one another. Do not be proud; instead, associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own estimation.

Romans 13:8 (HCSB)
8 Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 14:19 (HCSB)
19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another.


So IF you are not Fellowshipping with other Believers on a regular basis, HOW ARE YOU BEING OBEDIENT TO THE ONE ANOTHER'S IN THE BIBLE ? ? ?

AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE REJECTING:


Ephesians 4:11-13 (CSBBible)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 equipping the saints for the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God's Son, growing into maturity with a stature measured by Christ's fullness.


I am fellowshipping with believers right now. I want to share something important with you, out of Love of the Brethren.

I want you to please consider the example of the very first deception He had written for your admonition and for mine.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Notice that on the very first example of deception, the perfect deceiver used God's Word to trick Eve. You can see this, yes?

And the new Testament confirms this as Paul was also worried about this very thing.

2 cor. 11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

So now that Eve was tricked into listening to another Jesus so to speak, or another voice than Gods voice, he continues.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die

Here is the very first lie satan told the "woman". "You are already saved". You are already set. No instructions, no tests, no trials, no repentance, no nothing. He convinced her FIRST that she wasn't going to die, which was contrary to what her creator had already told her.

Then satan goes in for the kill.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject the instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Satan actually convinced Eve that her God, her Creator, wasn't interested in her well being at all. That His Laws are a burden to her, that God created them to keep her "blind" and in prison, burdened. That God basically wants to keep you blind and ignorant. But if you will listen to me, your friend, I will "free" you from the Yoke God placed on you. If you will listen to me, and reject God's Commandment, only then can you truly be free.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Not only did she become deceived by the serpent, but she spread this same deception to those who were with her.

Eve meant well. She had no malice towards her husband. she didn't set out to deceive, or bring condemnation to the rest of mankind forever, but satan tricked her, and used her to further its goals.

I'm not ashamed that I SEE this, rather, I thank God every day for saving me from the death and deception this belief caused me years ago when I did sit in a pew in front of a statue of some naked men's hair shampoo model this church named Jesus.

You preach, as do others, that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were teaching others to earn salvation by "keeping God's instructions". But Jesus said they were children of this same serpent. So the truth is these Mainstream Preachers were teaching to "Reject" God's instructions, and follow the Commandments of men, just as Jesus said.

I mean no disrespect, I don't mean to anger you or offend you. Quite the opposite. I just want to share with you what religious men have been trying to discredit and silence since Cain killed his "Christian" brother Abel.

2 Cor. 6:
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
 
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I am fellowshipping with believers right now. I want to share something important with you, out of Love of the Brethren.

I want you to please consider the example of the very first deception He had written for your admonition and for mine.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Notice that on the very first example of deception, the perfect deceiver used God's Word to trick Eve. You can see this, yes?

And the new Testament confirms this as Paul was also worried about this very thing.

2 cor. 11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

So now that Eve was tricked into listening to another Jesus so to speak, or another voice than Gods voice, he continues.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die

Here is the very first lie satan told the "woman". "You are already saved". You are already set. No instructions, no tests, no trials, no repentance, no nothing. He convinced her FIRST that she wasn't going to die, which was contrary to what her creator had already told her.

Then satan goes in for the kill.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject the instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Satan actually convinced Eve that her God, her Creator, wasn't interested in her well being at all. That His Laws are a burden to her, that God created them to keep her "blind" and in prison, burdened. That God basically wants to keep you blind and ignorant. But if you will listen to me, your friend, I will "free" you from the Yoke God placed on you. If you will listen to me, and reject God's Commandment, only then can you truly be free.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Not only did she become deceived by the serpent, but she spread this same deception to those who were with her.

Eve meant well. She had no malice towards her husband. she didn't set out to deceive, or bring condemnation to the rest of mankind forever, but satan tricked her, and used her to further its goals.

I'm not ashamed that I SEE this, rather, I thank God every day for saving me from the death and deception this belief caused me years ago when I did sit in a pew in front of a statue of some naked men's hair shampoo model this church named Jesus.

You preach, as do others, that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were teaching others to earn salvation by "keeping God's instructions". But Jesus said they were children of this same serpent. So the truth is these Mainstream Preachers were teaching to "Reject" God's instructions, and follow the Commandments of men, just as Jesus said.

I mean no disrespect, I don't mean to anger you or offend you. Quite the opposite. I just want to share with you what religious men have been trying to discredit and silence since Cain killed his "Christian" brother Abel.

2 Cor. 6:
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
He did not use God's word to deceive....HE EMBELLISHED God's word to deceive.....and ADAM was not deceived..........and your analogy falls way short of biblical and embellishes what was actually said....you added to the narrative your own view to support your own conclusions.....!
 

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Amen brother......one thing I have discovered on this site.....ALMOST without exception, most of the workers for, Cainologists, supposed law keepers, modern day Pharisees, Lawyers etc. are as deceptive as they come......I just put one on ignore in another thread who would do the following to push his "I keep myself saved false dogma"...

a. Embellish or change what I said
b. Conveniently leave off parts of a verse when it suited making his points
c. Ignore obvious context
d. Ignore Greek verb tense
e. Lie about what has been said
f. Twist things more than an employee at an Aunt Aunties Pretzel shop

etc....It is impossible to engage someone who will not be honest and or true to what has been said and or is being discussed....The tragic truth....SATAN in the garden EMBELLISHED the word of God to make it into a lie.....there is a reason that GOD said to NOT ADD or DIMINISH OUGHT from his word and the modus operandi of these people is to do one or the other..................................
...SAYS THE BOASTFUL AND DECEIPTFUL MOCKER WITH THE "WALKING DEAD" TWISTER FRIES FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE.

YOU AND YOUR BREED'S EXISTENCE HAVE BEEN PROPHESIED AND WRITTEN TO WARN EVEYONE.

TO THE DOUBLE TALKERS

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People

jude 1

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, WHO PERVERT THE ĢRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALIYY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—TWICE DEAD. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, FOAMING UP THEIR SHAME; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instincts and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT.

26 AS THE BODY WITHOUT THE SPIRIT IS DEAD, so faith without deeds is dead.


titus 1
16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good.


ephesians 5
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
 

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So dump the Mosaic Law which is death.
2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Your "Law of death" God's Law of Love.

13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Your "law of death" God's Law of love.

10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Your "law of death" God's Law of love.

15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor.

Your "law of death" God's Law of love.

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Your "law of death" God's Law of love.

I could go on and on. But to what end.

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

As it is to this day.
 

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Amen brother......one thing I have discovered on this site.....ALMOST without exception, most of the workers for, Cainologists, supposed law keepers, modern day Pharisees, Lawyers etc. are as deceptive as they come......I just put one on ignore in another thread who would do the following to push his "I keep myself saved false dogma"...

a. Embellish or change what I said
b. Conveniently leave off parts of a verse when it suited making his points
c. Ignore obvious context
d. Ignore Greek verb tense
e. Lie about what has been said
f. Twist things more than an employee at an Aunt Aunties Pretzel shop

etc....It is impossible to engage someone who will not be honest and or true to what has been said and or is being discussed....The tragic truth....SATAN in the garden EMBELLISHED the word of God to make it into a lie.....there is a reason that GOD said to NOT ADD or DIMINISH OUGHT from his word and the modus operandi of these people is to do one or the other..................................
CAN YOU PROVIDE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS JESUS WAS “CURSED" ASIDE FROM PAUL’S? I DON’T MEAN THAT HE HIMSELF CALLED JESUS “CURSED" BUT ONLY THOSE WHO TEACH A GOSPEL OF ANOTHER KIND WHICH IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL.


Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!


WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SAYS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW.(rom 3:19). IT WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF.


1 Timothy 1:9-11 We also know that LAW IS MADE NOT FOR THE RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and LIARS and perjurers—and for whatever else is CONTRARY TO THE SOUND DOCTRINE that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.


OUR LORD DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF UNDER THE LAW WHEN HE SAID;


John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in THEIR Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’


THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH".


1 Corinthians 15:55-57 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


“BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US" MEANS “ BY DYING FOR US" SINCE THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH”, AND THE GOSPEL CLEARLY SAYS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS(JUSTIFICATION).


NOWHERE IN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TELLS US THAT “HE WAS CURSED” FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.


JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND THAT WORD IS GOD.(john 1:1-3 & 14) GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY, THE ALMIGHTY LIVING GOD, THE CREATOR, LAW GIVER AND THE JUDGE(james 4:12) AND NO ONE CAN JUDGE OR CURSE HIM OR CALL HIM “CURSED".


Galatians 3:10,13 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who DOES NOT CONTINUE TO DO everything written in the Book of the Law.”


“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”




1 Corinthians 2:10-16 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.


PAUL CLEARLY DESCRIBED WHO ARE THOSE HE CONSIDERED “CURSED”;


Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


UNDERSTANDING THE ABOVE VERSE WILL BRING US TO THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE FF: VERSE;


Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”


WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND ACCORDING TO JOHN “THE WORD IS GOD". (john 1:1-3 & 14)


GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY WHO CREATED THE LAW FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO WHAT IS MAN TO CALL HIM “CURSED"?


WHO AMONG BELIEVERS WOULD QUESTION GOD’S VULNERABILITY TO CURSES OR WHATEVER EVIL ACTS AGAINST HIM? ...PETER EXPLAINS IT BETTER;


2 Peter 3:14-18 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE people DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the ERROR of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.



1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.


isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.


Hebrews 10:26-29 If we DELIBERATELY keep on sinning after we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD under foot, who has TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?


.. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED…


...LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR…


John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 

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That is why God instituted a New Covenant.

They, and still today, people continue with the Old Covenant, "even though one rose from the dead."
Absolutely.

Though the number of people who preach remission of sins by the Levite Priesthood isn't as prevalent as it was in Christ's time.
 

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WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)


“NOT BY WORKS” OF THE LAW, THEY SAY, BUT THEY COLLECT TITHES ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.


THEY HAVE CREATED A MAN MADE DOCTRINE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION OUT OF A GOD-GIVEN LAW FOR HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS.(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERISH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE


DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!


OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!


3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”