OSAS= House Built on Sand

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
U

UnderGrace

Guest
10% is the bare minimum amount a Christian must give. But the Bible says we must be generous givers and 10% is not generous, it's like the lowest acceptable amount. Being generous would be more like 30%
So then you are a legalist too?
 

Seohce

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2016
1,386
54
48
WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)


“NOT BY WORKS” OF THE LAW, THEY SAY, BUT THEY COLLECT TITHES ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.


THEY HAVE CREATED A MAN MADE DOCTRINE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION OUT OF A GOD-GIVEN LAW FOR HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS.(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE


DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!


OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!


3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”
 
Oct 31, 2015
2,290
588
113
The parable of thew talents describes so called believers, who come to give account of what they did with the talents that God gave them. We see the one who didn't use his talent was thrown into hell, he wasn't a true believer but he thought he was. These are the same as those who come to Christ on the last day saying Lord, Lord and you know what happens to them.
The person whom the Lord entrusted with one talent was indeed a believer.

Jesus plainly and clearly teaches that it was to His servants that these talents were entrusted.

His servants.

Not the world.

His servants.


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
Matthew 25:14-15


Why would Jesus give talents to unbelievers and expect unbelievers to use His talents that He gives to them to bless His kingdom?


JPT
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
God loves a cheerful giver and let every man set aside in his heart what he desires to give.....it is not about percentages, but rather about motivation.......
 

Slayer

Active member
Jul 23, 2018
724
122
43
The person whom the Lord entrusted with one talent was indeed a believer.

Jesus plainly and clearly teaches that it was to His servants that these talents were entrusted.

His servants.

Not the world.

His servants.


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
Matthew 25:14-15


Why would Jesus give talents to unbelievers and expect unbelievers to use His talents that He gives to them to bless His kingdom?


JPT
But the Bible says that none of God chosen will be lost, so this parable says "For the kingdom is "LIKE" a man travelling to a far country. The parable is not to be taken in the literal sense because the word like "like" suggests that the parable is an example of how God will deal with different people.

God did give talents to the reprobate, they are some of the most successful people in the world but they don't use their money to glorify God. They spend it on the lusts of their flesh, so they are unprofitable for the extension of Gods Kingdom and they will be cast into hell.
 

Slayer

Active member
Jul 23, 2018
724
122
43
The person whom the Lord entrusted with one talent was indeed a believer.

Jesus plainly and clearly teaches that it was to His servants that these talents were entrusted.

His servants.

Not the world.

His servants.


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
Matthew 25:14-15


Why would Jesus give talents to unbelievers and expect unbelievers to use His talents that He gives to them to bless His kingdom?


JPT
Judas and Lucifer were also believers, but not true believers. The world is full of "Believers" Christians", but not true Christians, Believers. There's a big difference between these two.
 

Slayer

Active member
Jul 23, 2018
724
122
43
God loves a cheerful giver and let every man set aside in his heart what he desires to give.....it is not about percentages, but rather about motivation.......
Some wealthy business man can cheerfully give a dime, is that acceptable. Of' course the percentage of giving is important, if everyone gave a dime the Church would cease to exist.
 
U

UnderGrace

Guest
Some wealthy business man can cheerfully give a dime, is that acceptable. Of' course the percentage of giving is important, if everyone gave a dime the Church would cease to exist.
The church building would ... not "the called out people"

Yup if wants to give a dime that is his business.
 
Aug 16, 2018
137
87
28
Some wealthy business man can cheerfully give a dime, is that acceptable. Of' course the percentage of giving is important, if everyone gave a dime the Church would cease to exist.
No it would not.

The church is not a building it is the brother and sister faithful alive in Christ and who are sons and daughters of the Father.
That church will never die. And the giving we give together and as individuals keeps hope alive.

 
U

UnderGrace

Guest
Judas and Lucifer were also believers, but not true believers. The world is full of "Believers" Christians", but not true Christians, Believers. There's a big difference between these two.
There is no Lucifer, his name is Satan and Judas never believed on Jesus for personal salvation unless it was in his final dying breathe which no one would know about except God.
 

Slayer

Active member
Jul 23, 2018
724
122
43
The church building would ... not "the called out people"

Yup if wants to give a dime that is his business.
If he gives a dime, then he is disobedient and we know Gods people obey God so it means he is a reprobate posing as a Christian
 
Oct 31, 2015
2,290
588
113
But the Bible says that none of God chosen will be lost,

When you say “chosen” what do you mean by that?

The twelve were chosen and destined to reign and rule with Christ.

this parable says "For the kingdom is "LIKE" a man travelling to a far country. The parable is not to be taken in the literal sense because the word like "like" suggests that the parable is an example of how God will deal with different people.

God did give talents to the reprobate, they are some of the most successful people in the world but they don't use their money to glorify God. They spend it on the lusts of their flesh, so they are unprofitable for the extension of Gods Kingdom and they will be cast into hell.

Brother, we know this is a parable.


What the parable is about are His servants who He gives talents to.

Please do not disregard the plain words of Jesus.


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
Matthew 25:14-15


I ask you brother, in the fear of the Lord and humility.


Please don’t change or explain away this extremely important teaching from Jesus and to whom it pertains.

Please.



JPT
 

Slayer

Active member
Jul 23, 2018
724
122
43
No it would not.

The church is not a building it is the brother and sister faithful alive in Christ and who are sons and daughters of the Father.
That church will never die. And the giving we give together and as individuals keeps hope alive.

If the Church doesn't have anywhere to meet, then it ceases to exist. You would end up with individual believers, who can't do anything worthwhile for the extension of Gods Kingdom. God preordained to build His Church, which will eventually dominate and rule the whole world. It takes a lot of money to do this, that's why God commanded us to give sacrificially.

The cost of running a small Church these days is at least $120,000 a year, so the tithes and offerings need to much more than this for the Church to be able to support missions and the poor. I detect a lot of greedy Christians here, I would urge all of you to give sacrificially. Jesus said each of us will be rewarded according to our works, if we indulge in luxuries while our brethren starve in Africa we can't expect to receive a good reward in the Kingdom of God.
 
Oct 31, 2015
2,290
588
113
Judas and Lucifer were also believers, but not true believers. The world is full of "Believers" Christians", but not true Christians, Believers. There's a big difference between these two.

Lucifer was a son of God who became lost.

He is now called the enemy of God.


Judas, likewise was appointed and destined to reign and rule with Christ and the other apostles.

He also became lost.


Please tell me you understand the simple truth that for a son to become lost, he first must belong to the Lord.


What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


All 100 sheep belong to the shepherd.

They are his sheep.


  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them


JPT
 
Oct 31, 2015
2,290
588
113
If the Church doesn't have anywhere to meet, then it ceases to exist.

Not true.

They would meet in homes, in caves, wherever.


The underground church in China is probably the most fruitful right now.


There are probably more Christian’s outside the local Church in America than there are who attend to Church Services.



JPT
 
U

UnderGrace

Guest
If he gives a dime, then he is disobedient and we know Gods people obey God so it means he is a reprobate posing as a Christian
Yes of course, because in your created Christian world one who must never question his pastor being a dumb sheep.

And in your world, you must hate the rich man because he is for sure a reprobate.

Which all makes me wonder what happened to we can sin because all sins are covered by cross?
 

Slayer

Active member
Jul 23, 2018
724
122
43
When you say “chosen” what do you mean by that?

The twelve were chosen and destined to reign and rule with Christ.




Brother, we know this is a parable.


What the parable is about are His servants who He gives talents to.

Please do not disregard the plain words of Jesus.


“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
Matthew 25:14-15


I ask you brother, in the fear of the Lord and humility.


Please don’t change or explain away this extremely important teaching from Jesus and to whom it pertains.

Please.



JPT
The last part of that scriptures says that the unprofitable servant was cast into the outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. That sounds like hell to me and I know that no true believer will end up in hell.

I believe the parable is describing one who professed to believe but he was a hypocrite and not a true believer. A true believer is one who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, so they will always strive to do Gods will in all things.