Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job

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abcdef said:
It says that they left their first estate, that was where God placed them in His fellowship in heaven.



The angels rebelled with Satan and were removed from that place in God's fellowship and placed in chains in darkness.




It never says that. It is an assumption.




The sons of God were children of Adam. The women that they took were not the children of Adam, but from other tribes of people.

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The idea was that in the garden Adam walked with God. Being with God gave Him perfection. If he had not sinned he would have continued to be perfect. But when Adam sinned, he fell from being perfect, but still maintained a relationship with God.

As Adam's descendants began to intermingle with the almost human souls, the spirit and flesh began to be diluted. As the generations passed the human souls descended from Adam fell further away from God, both spiritually and physically, losing the "closeness" of God. Jehovah worship was diluted by the intermingling of Adam's descendants with unbelieving tribes. This theme is maintained throughout the Bible. (Noah)

The concept that Adam's descendants intermingled with unbelieving tribes and produced giants, is related to the closeness of the perfection of Adam's descendants, to the perfection that comes from Adam's closeness of God, which made him perfect in soul and body.

Although the perfection was diluted in Adam's children, it was still within them in a lesser degree.

So the giants that were produced were a result of the diluted genetic perfection that remained within them.

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The angels that went to warn Lot and his family took on human form. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sexual relations with them.
 
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Hmmm, Isn't there something called giantism? in our world today? Where giants are produced from a genetic imperfection?
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From a pituitary brain tumor. We're talking about an entire race of giants where some are well over 12' tall.
 
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Hmmm, Isn't there something called giantism? in our world today? Where giants are produced from a genetic imperfection?
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Is this what Goliath and his 4 sons were? Giants from a pituitary issue? come on...
 
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I apologize if I seem to be stringing things along, I wondered about this from the way you worded things in post #64 and was asking as to Eve being separated from Adam before or after he was placed in Eden/paradise/third heaven ect.. ,see Ezekiel 28:12-13,Luke 23:43,2 Corinthians 12:3-4 Revelation 2:7,Revelation 22:1-3 and then examine the events of Revelation chapter 12.

I apologize if this seems to be a short answer but another member has brought up Ezekiel 28(i thought you would) and i am curious as to how the other members will view the exact timing of Satan's casting out and tying to not say things that would lead to an oppinion but rather see how they form their own oppinions(I appologize if it seems odd,lol).
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The reference to when God corrupted the first creation as to when iniquity was found in the father of lies would appear to be on the forth day. When the temporal time indicators (Sun and moon) were placed in the heavens . In the new heavens and earth the light as was in the first there day as the glory of God not seen will be reestablished forever . The time clock ran out.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Revelation 21:22 24

The temporal time keeper will be under the feet of His new bride clothed with the righteousness of her husband Christ as His wife, the church .

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon U, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:cRevelation 12
 
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The angels that went to warn Lot and his family took on human form. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sexual relations with them.
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That does not prove that that they can have sex with humans. It only says in this context that the men wanted to.
 
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Giants from genetics.
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so when non believers have children with believers giants show up...that's total nonsense...why is it so difficult to believer they were fallen angels who left their first estate?
 
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There should be plenty of skeletons to confim the 12 footers .
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It is an assumption that they were 12' tall according to our modern measurements.

In ancient times things were measured by the length of the body parts (foot, feet, hands).

So to say that they were 12' tall would depend on the size of the body part that you are using.

Since humans vary greatly in body parts, it would depend on the size of the person doing the measuring.
 
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John146 said:
From a pituitary brain tumor. We're talking about an entire race of giants where some are well over 12' tall.
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Neither male nor female Jew or Gentile.... No procreation tools

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Mark 12:23-25
 
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The reference to when God corrupted the first creation as to when iniquity was found in the father of lies would appear to be on the forth day. When the temporal time indicators (Sun and moon) were placed in the heavens . In the new heavens and earth the light as was in the first there day as the glory of God not seen will be reestablished forever . The time clock ran out.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Revelation 21:22 24

The temporal time keeper will be under the feet of His new bride clothed with the righteousness of her husband Christ as His wife, the church .

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon U, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:cRevelation 12
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i think you mis typed and the edit window ran out so I'll let you re word this,,,lol
 
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It is an assumption that they were 12' tall according to our modern measurements.

In ancient times things were measured by the length of the body parts (foot, feet, hands).

So to say that they were 12' tall would depend on the size of the body part that you are using.

Since humans vary greatly in body parts, it would depend on the size of the person doing the measuring.
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Today we have rulers that measure in feet (12 inches per foot)

Where is the evidence that demands a verdict or law?
 
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so when non believers have children with believers giants show up...that's total nonsense...why is it so difficult to believer they were fallen angels who left their first estate?
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Because it says that the angels that rebelled were put in chains in darkness.

It does not say that only some were put in chains, that is an assumption.

And it does not say that they were released from those chains, but they are still there waiting for the judgment day.
 
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Believers yoking with unbelievers have always been a problem to God. This is what happened here. And not only that, Genesis is the Seed book or book of genetics.

The seeds or principles planted in the book of Genesis will trace right through to the book of Revelations where all the seeds are matured and thus revealed.

There are no angels mixing with humans. But fallen angels or demons that possess humans does still happen though. A fallen angel is not a son of God in any case.
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It seems that the authors of some Judaic apocrypha and after them the author of the Epistle of Jude did not know about this your concept.
 
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Today we have rulers that measure in feet (12 inches per foot)
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Yes, the "foot" has been made a standard constant measurement, due to the many variations in human body parts.

Where is the evidence that demands a verdict or law?
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Thanks somehow I hit the U key. The temporal time keeper was under the feet of his bride, the church.
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"the reference to when (God) corrupted the first creation"...
 
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We have one instance where it seems to apply to angels: Job 38:7. Even that is almost poetic and may mean something other than what we believe. We also have a scripture where God does not call angels sons:

Heb. 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

So all your bantering about Gen. 6 and Job 1 & 2 is still nothing more than assumption. It also steals from the perception of God's power, which the spirit world knows well of.

2 Tim. 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." :cool:
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It does not actual say he called none of the messengers thou are my Son. He calls the Son of man, his Son As many that are led by the Spirts are Sons of God. Those seen as well as those not seen.

Michael the arch angel . A name that begs a question .Who is like God ? The answer no man is like God . Even the Son of man as a messenger of God when called good teacher confirmed God is not a man as us and neither is their any fleshly mediator set between God and man called a daysman . Jesus gave honor and glory to the Father not seen, saying; only God (not seen is good)

We walk by faith not by sight.

Why look for a fleshly Godas if he was a man as us?
 
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Yes, the "foot" has been made a standard constant measurement, due to the many variations in human body parts.



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LOL Where are the dried up bones? Still missing?
 
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Neither male nor female Jew or Gentile.... No procreation tools

In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Mark 12:23-25
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yep, all angels are male...can't marry...
 
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