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New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 Orderly Worship What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

New International Version 1984 1 Timothy 5:11-15 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also GOSSIPS and busybodies, saying things they ought not to. So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for SLANDER. Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.
Ugh..again...copy paste...youre really boarderline harrassing me..you know that right?
 

VCO

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My "line" is straight..and so is my talk..
I tell you the truth, YOU DID NOT READ MY FIRST SENTENCE:

Wow, you openly admit that you are Mormon or is that PAST TENSE? 🡸

I then when on to share why him the info from Sandra Tanner, who was an ex-mormon, who has this info on her website, that can HELP get a Mormon out of Mormonism, or a CHRISTIAN to understand their Terminology Differences.

He responded: While I appreciate your informative post . . . I'm not sure why you would think I am still a Mormon

I am sorry you misunderstood my motives.

So why are you so upset?
 

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Would you STOP ALREADY? I JUST TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY AND DONT READ WHAT YOU POST SO WHY KEEP SENDING ME POSTS? DO YOU ONLY UNDERSTAND IF I PUT MY CAP LOCK ON???
He must believe CC is church, for he is now telling you to shut up because you are a woman and therefore you are to remain silent...
 

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Would you STOP ALREADY? I JUST TOLD YOU I DONT BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY AND DONT READ WHAT YOU POST SO WHY KEEP SENDING ME POSTS? DO YOU ONLY UNDERSTAND IF I PUT MY CAP LOCK ON???
I think being an ex Catholic myself I have mercy on the decieved. Especially those who were taught to never question authority. If I never doubted the authority of the RCC I would never have been saved. Playing follow the leader is only in the interests of the leaders. When we doubt, we should check 'em out and not be led like lemmings to the sea. One ofmy favorite words the jesus frequently used was hypocrites. An anti-this that or the other can be just as bad as those they re against. It's not everybodys mission to go into the belly of the beast like Jonah!
 

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I tell you the truth, YOU DID NOT READ MY FIRST SENTENCE:

Wow, you openly admit that you are Mormon or is that PAST TENSE? 🡸

I then when on to share why him the info from Sandra Tanner, who was an ex-mormon, who has this info on her website, that can HELP get a Mormon out of Mormonism, or a CHRISTIAN to understand their Terminology Differences.

He responded: While I appreciate your informative post . . . I'm not sure why you would think I am still a Mormon

So why are you so upset?
No one is upset..you assumed he was still a mormon..gave him the sermin regarding mormon beliefs verses your beliefs even though he magenta and i told you he was no longer mormom..he brought it up to you that ypu "jumped" ..i agreed with him and now youre saving face..no one is upset..just be more careful when ypu read..couldve saved yourself the "sermon"..
 

Jewel5712

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@VCO

No one is upset..you assumed he was still a mormon..gave him the sermin regarding mormon beliefs verses your beliefs even though he magenta and i told you he was no longer mormom..he brought it up to you that ypu "jumped" ..i agreed with him and now youre saving face..no one is upset..just be more careful when ypu read..couldve saved yourself the "sermon

Btw..you shouldve STOPPED after you said ..."...or is that past tense?" bevause he wouldnt SAY after your whole schpeel "im not sure why you would think im still a mormon" if you hadnt kept on REFERING to him as one in the FIRST place..

Check mate!
 

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Aparently..but THAT backfired..lol
YOU JUST PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.

THE CHURCH IS THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST OF WHOM HE IS THE SAVIOR (ephesians 5:23) IT IS NOT A PHYSICAL BUILDING AND IT'S MEMBERS ARE CALLED CHRISTIANS.

SORRY BUT I DON'T WANT TO EAT WITH YOU OR ANYONE WHO REJECTS GOD'S WORD.

PLEASE PUT ME ON IGNORE.

6 Your boasting is not good.Don’t you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolateror a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”
 

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No one is upset..you assumed he was still a mormon..gave him the sermin regarding mormon beliefs verses your beliefs even though he magenta and i told you he was no longer mormom..he brought it up to you that ypu "jumped" ..i agreed with him and now youre saving face..no one is upset..just be more careful when ypu read..couldve saved yourself the "sermon"..
That was NO sermon, Sandra Tanner posted online for detailed information, and I had paper copy of it years before I had a computer. It is an information track that will help Mormons to get out of their Mormonism, and CHRISTIANS to recognize the MORMON deception using the exact Christian Terms. EITHER WAY IT IS VALUABLE TO HIM, and others. So what is your BEEF, unless you are a Mormon incognito? Where I come from, my sermons were nearly an hour in length.
 

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. . . i told you he was no longer mormom . . .
This may come as a big surprise to you, BUT I DO NOT READ EVERY POST YOU MAKE, and in fact I am thinking about putting you on the permanent IGNORE LIST. And I suspect many others are too.
 
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Ugh..again...copy paste...youre really boarderline harrassing me..you know that right?
Hahhaha I blocked his garbage along time ago....his Catholic drivel and total rejection of the account of Galatians and Christ becoming a curse for us made me so mad I had to block him or I would have been banned!
 

Seohce

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Hahhaha I blocked his garbage along time ago....his Catholic drivel and total rejection of the account of Galatians and Christ becoming a curse for us made me so mad I had to block him or I would have been banned!
YOU REALLY DESERVE TO BE BANNED FOR SAYING JESUS "WAS CURSED". IT SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATED. SINCE IT'S BEEN TOLERATED, I'M NOT SURPRISED WHY THOSE WHO TOLERATE IT REJECT GOD'S WORD, TEACHINGS, LAWS AND COMMANDS.
 

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YOU REALLY DESERVE TO BE BANNED FOR SAYING JESUS "WAS CURSED". IT SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATED. SINCE IT'S BEEN TOLERATED, I'M NOT SURPRISED WHY THOSE WHO TOLERATE IT REJECT GOD'S WORD, TEACHINGS, LAWS AND COMMANDS.
Goodness me, Paul said it, quoting Deuteronomy 21:23, yet you reject it, then turn around and say it is OTHERS who reject the Word of God.
 

Seohce

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Goodness me, Paul said it, quoting Deuteronomy 21:23, yet you reject it, then turn around and say it is OTHERS who reject the Word of God.
THE LORD REBUKE YOU!

dcon says;

BLAH BLAH BLAH more working for pseudo salvation.....My bible teaches salvation is a present CURRENT possession.....

Not by works of righte4 s7ousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US <--PAST TENSE

YES..JESUS did become SIN for us....<--Only a deceiver would reject this truth as well....

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "
FOLKS any and all who deny the above truths have proven they are not of GOD....DO NOT BELIEVE POST 59510..HE DENIES these truths and supplants them with HALF truths and deceit just like the garden when the serpent removed and then added his own words to the bible.......

dcontroversial said:

...”JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....”

Seohce said;
THIS IS A CLEAR DECLARATION BY DCON THAT JESUS WAS “CURSED”.

WHO CURSED JESUS AND WHY?

I DECLARE THAT OUR LORD JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, PURE, HOLY AND UNDEFILED. HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE AND THE WORD THAT BECAME FLESH.

SINCE WHEN HAS THE GOSPEL CHANGED? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS “WAS CURSED”?

... THAT IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH “JESUS IS LORD” …...AND YOU WILL BE SAVED. (rom 10:9)

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.” So we say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is THE SAME yesterday and today and forever.(heb 13:5-8)

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY and SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS “CURSED".

YOU HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT FOR THE FF;
  1. FOR REJECTING THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY
  2. FOR HAVING SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL
  3. FOR CALLING JESUS “CURSED".
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.


Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
 

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Goodness me, Paul said it, quoting Deuteronomy 21:23, yet you reject it, then turn around and say it is OTHERS who reject the Word of God.
CAN YOU PROVIDE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS JESUS WAS “CURSED" ASIDE FROM PAUL’S? I DON’T MEAN THAT HE HIMSELF CALLED JESUS “CURSED" BUT ONLY THOSE WHO TEACH A GOSPEL OF ANOTHER KIND WHICH IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SAYS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW.(rom 3:19). IT WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 We also know that LAW IS MADE NOT FOR THE RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and LIARS and perjurers—and for whatever else is CONTRARY TO THE SOUND DOCTRINE that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

OUR LORD DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF UNDER THE LAW WHEN HE SAID;

John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in THEIR Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH".

1 Corinthians 15:55-57 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

“BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US" MEANS “ BY DYING FOR US" SINCE THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH”, AND THE GOSPEL CLEARLY SAYS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS(JUSTIFICATION).

NOWHERE IN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TELLS US THAT “HE WAS CURSED” FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.

JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND THAT WORD IS GOD.(john 1:1-3 & 14) GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY, THE ALMIGHTY LIVING GOD, THE CREATOR, LAW GIVER AND THE JUDGE(james 4:12) AND NO ONE CAN JUDGE OR CURSE HIM OR CALL HIM “CURSED".

Galatians 3:10,13 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who DOES NOT CONTINUE TO DO everything written in the Book of the Law.”

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

1 Corinthians 2:10-16 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

PAUL CLEARLY DESCRIBED WHO ARE THOSE HE CONSIDERED “CURSED”;

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

UNDERSTANDING THE ABOVE VERSE WILL BRING US TO THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE FF: VERSE;

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND ACCORDING TO JOHN “THE WORD IS GOD". (john 1:1-3 & 14)

GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY WHO CREATED THE LAW FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO WHAT IS MAN TO CALL HIM “CURSED"?

WHO AMONG BELIEVERS WOULD QUESTION GOD’S VULNERABILITY TO CURSES OR WHATEVER EVIL ACTS AGAINST HIM? ...PETER EXPLAINS IT BETTER;

2 Peter 3:14-18 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE people DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the ERROR of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

Hebrews 10:26-29 If we DELIBERATELY keep on sinning after we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD under foot, who has TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

.. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED…

...LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR…

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 

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Goodness me, Paul said it, quoting Deuteronomy 21:23, yet you reject it, then turn around and say it is OTHERS who reject the Word of God.
New International Version 1984 Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

WHO AMONG CHRIST'S APOSTLES AND DISCIPLES WHO HEARD HIM SAY THESE THINGS, WROTE AND PREACHED THAT HE "WAS CURSED" FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS?

New International Version 1984 Mark 3:28-29 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”