Not By Works

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Shamah

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Yep, and salvation is not a reward it is a gift that is irrevocable........!
Is this parable OK? Youre not going to call me a pharisee for posting it? I love the Salvation YHWH offers and love the Words of Messiah:

Matthew 25:14-30,14 for it is like a man going from home, who called his own servants and delivered his possessions to them."15 “And to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability, and went from home."16 “And he who had received the five talents went and worked with them, and made another five talents."17 “In the same way, he with the two also, he gained two more."18 “But he who had received the one went away and dug in the ground, and hid the silver of his master."19 “And after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them."20 “And he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents. See, I have gained five more talents besides them.’"21 “And his master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"22 “Then he who had received two talents came and said, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents. See, I have gained two more talents besides them.’"23 “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"24 “And the one who had received the one talent also came and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed,"25 and being afraid, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’"26 “And his master answering, said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed."27 Then you should have put my silver with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest."28 Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to him who possesses ten talents."29 ‘For to everyone who possesses, more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but from him who does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away. (Lk 8:18) 30 And throw the worthless servant out into the outer darkness – there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
 
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Is this parable OK? Youre not going to call me a pharisee for posting it? I love the Salvation YHWH offers and love the Words of Messiah:

Matthew 25:14-30,14 for it is like a man going from home, who called his own servants and delivered his possessions to them."15 “And to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability, and went from home."16 “And he who had received the five talents went and worked with them, and made another five talents."17 “In the same way, he with the two also, he gained two more."18 “But he who had received the one went away and dug in the ground, and hid the silver of his master."19 “And after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them."20 “And he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents. See, I have gained five more talents besides them.’"21 “And his master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"22 “Then he who had received two talents came and said, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents. See, I have gained two more talents besides them.’"23 “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"24 “And the one who had received the one talent also came and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed,"25 and being afraid, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’"26 “And his master answering, said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed."27 Then you should have put my silver with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest."28 Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to him who possesses ten talents."29 ‘For to everyone who possesses, more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but from him who does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away. (Lk 8:18) 30 And throw the worthless servant out into the outer darkness – there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Do you believe works save, keep saved, top off salvation, finish salvation, help one stay saved....

a simple yes or no will suffice

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth......

Yes or No

Either one is saved entirely by grace through faith eternally or salvation by grace though faith is embellished by human effort....my bible does not teach the latter....!
 

Shamah

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Do you believe works save, keep saved, top off salvation, finish salvation, help one stay saved....

a simple yes or no will suffice

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth......

Yes or No

Either one is saved entirely by grace through faith eternally or salvation by grace though faith is embellished by human effort....my bible does not teach the latter....!
Did that parable upset you? Do you accept the Messiah's words as inspired?

How is it possible that I quote the Messiah and that leads to implied false doctrine or "talk out of both sides of your mouth"

Since I have answered this many times..

Here goes:

Salvation is not gained/earned by faith or works it is given by YHWH. WIthout His mercy nonewould enter.

WIth that said, and this is extra, real faith has works; that is does the will of YHWH. False faith; that is in word only does not follow YHWH.

Can you please explain that parable to me?
 
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Did that parable upset you? Do you accept the Messiah's words as inspired?

How is it possible that I quote the Messiah and that leads to implied false doctrine or "talk out of both sides of your mouth"

Since I have answered this many times..

Here goes:

Salvation is not gained/earned by faith or works it is given by YHWH. WIthout His mercy nonewould enter.

WIth that said, and this is extra, real faith has works; that is does the will of YHWH. False faith; that is in word only does not follow YHWH.

Can you please explain that parable to me?
See....both sides of your mouth

Salvation is not gained by faith you say.....you are worse off than I thought...

YES OR NO

Is salvation gained, maintained, topped of, finished by works?
 

Shamah

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See....both sides of your mouth

Salvation is not gained by faith you say.....you are worse off than I thought...

YES OR NO

Is salvation gained, maintained, topped of, finished by works?
Salvation is not gained/earned by faith or works it is given by YHWH. WIthout His mercy nonewould enter.


Can you please explain that parable to me?
 
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Is this parable OK? Youre not going to call me a pharisee for posting it? I love the Salvation YHWH offers and love the Words of Messiah:

Matthew 25:14-30,14 And throw the worthless servant out into the outer darkness – there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
The scene is the Millennial kingdom. The servant has been instructed by the Master to do right . . . he didn't. He is punished with the Lord's rod of iron.
 

Shamah

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You did not answer like normal.....and the following is false...

Salvation is not gained by faith<--this is satanic and not of God!
My faith is not my savior, YHWH is my Savior. Sounds to me like your trusting in your own self...

PS 27:1 יהוה is my light and my salvation; Whom should I fear? יהוה is the refuge of my life; Whom should I dread?"

Isaiah 43:11-13,11 “I, I am יהוה, and besides Me there is no saviour."12 “I, I have declared and saved, and made known, and there was no foreign mighty one among you. And you are My witnesses,” declares יהוה, “that I am Ěl."13 “Even from the day I am He, and no one delivers out of My hand. I work, and who turns it back?”"

Can you please explain that parable to me?
 
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Everyone pay attention to the lawyer as His true colors are coming thru as God would not lead a man to say such a thing.

Salvation is not gained by faith<-SHAMAH SAID THIS

My bible states the following

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE

He that believes on the Son is having evetlasting life

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God

In the grace you are, having been saved out of FAITH and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not if works lest any man should boast

Salvation is given by faith...anyone who states it is not....they are not led of God!
 

Shamah

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Everyone pay attention to the lawyer who said...His true colors are coming thru as God would not lead a man to say such a thing.

Salvation is not gained by faith<-SHAMAH SAID THIS

My bible states the following

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE

He that believes on the Son is having evetlasting life

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God

In the grace you are, having been saved out of FAITH and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not if works lest any man should boast

Salvation is given by faith...anyone who states it is not....they are not led of God!
Nice way to half quote...
 
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that's not the end of the conversation. If he wasn't saved by blood because none was shed yet, then was he saved by grace through by faith? Like Abraham?
Abraham had faith but he was saved by promise . . . and that promise was that the seed (Jesus Christ) would provide Himself a Lamb.
 
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Nice way to half quote...
You said it...end of story.....the word works in the context is irrelavant....you said salvation is NOT GAINED BY WORKS/FAITH.....

I can conclude by your verbiage and the comment about me trusting my faith that you believe exactly what I implied....

Like I have said and many others have pointed out...you are very deceptive and sneaky in the way you peddle your cafe blend of faith/law keeping salvation...and you know it is true
 

VCO

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Do you believe works save, keep saved, top off salvation, finish salvation, help one stay saved....

a simple yes or no will suffice

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth......

Yes or No

Either one is saved entirely by grace through faith eternally or salvation by grace though faith is embellished by human effort....my bible does not teach the latter....!
Your Posting "you seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth", just caused a REAL SERIOUS question to pop in my head.

Are they are SAYING that an ALL KNOWING GOD, and ALL POWERFUL GOD, Who Declares the END from the Beginning, MADE A MISTAKE IN SAVING THOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHO WOULD EVENTUALLY TURN THEIR BACKS ON THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE UNIVERSE ? ? ?

Wow, and they would believe THAT MALARKEY, over and above that they simply made a mistake in thinking that person was SAVED before they LOST His or Her SALVATION.
 

VCO

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Thanks for your answer VCO. I hope you drop by my "Who are the 24 Elders?" Thread and give your input.


I believe that those trumpets from judaism have something to do with it definately. It would match as the fulfillment of the feast of Trumpets, (the rapture).

Do you believe that only obedient christians go in the rapture? And the backslid ones are left here?

EXACTLY!

We are all sinners, but we are the one that Strive to Obey.

However only those Watching and Looking for the Bridegroom will GO.