The Abomination of Desolation

[garee]

This part I agree with you, as I often see horns in regards to the power of a kingdom.

Ten horns however, do not represent the power of all the kingdoms in the world.
If you read Daniel 7, you will see there are four beasts, the first three of which have none of their horns (military powers) mentioned, whereas the fourth beast has its ten horns described.
If you read Daniel 8 you will see a he goat with a notable horn who after defeating Media and Persia (Iraq and Iran), its notable horn is then broken and secedes into four horns (military).
Noting the association with the ten horned beast in Daniel 7, we then see the ten horned beast in Revelation 13 described as having seven heads.
Prior to the he goats notable horn seceding into four horns, the beasts 7 heads would have comprised of seven horns. Upon seceding into four horns, these seven heads to the beast will then comprise ten horns.

I would think all of those descriptions point to the one god of this world, the father of lies . Not having to do with literal cites of this temporal world

The word four many times represent north, south, east, west as to the whole world . 400 hundred years the time between the promise to Abraham and the bringing out of the nation of people God would use to temporally represent Him not seen. 40 years all the suffering in the wilderness. 40 days that in which Christ suffered to begin his ministry. The four living rivers of water going out from Eden to represent the gospel going out to the whole world.

The ten commandment represent all. The ten lepers that were purified by the work of Christ's faith as a labor of his love represent all Christians.

Note.. . what I find as interesting is the word eighteen comes from the Greek word, deca, meaning ten or all. Go figure?

The eighteen in Luke represent all .

Luke 13:4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

Luke 13:11And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

I think the word tithe, which represents all could be added . God does not desire ten percent but all . Ten a good place to start.

Ten in multiples of hundreds and thousands are used in that way to hide the spiritual unseen understanding throughout the scripture . In Genesis below ten is used again as all those who are led by the Spirit of Christ, as sons of God.

And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.Geneisis 18:32

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gabriel informed Daniel that the visions he was shown regard the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). Media and Persia correspond to what today are Iraq and Iran.
The he goat (represented by Greece), who traverses the whole earth from the west without touching the ground (Daniel 8:5) to destroy Media and Persia, represents a nation from the other side of the world whose air force traverses the whole earth to destroy what today are Iraq and Iran.

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

What does this have to do with who the 4 beasts in Dan 7 are?

And by the way, Greece took power so fast, it was as if his feet never hit the ground, thus why was meant.. Alaxender the great swiftly destroyed the medes and persians, then he himself died, and his kingdom was given to 4 people.. 1 of them who would commit the abomination

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We readily see the four separate beasts in Daniel 7 described as a single unified beast in Revelation 13. These four unified beasts in Revelation 13 represent the dragon, the beast, and its mouths new world order; Satan's last stance for forty two months, before the kingdom is awarded to the saints, and the Lord commences to reign.

Rev 13 is about the final beast, Who had overcome the first three beasts.. again, Who are the 4 beasts?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see the second beast, the bear in Daniel 7, representing the second red horse in Revelation 6. This entity I believe represents Russia and possibly other socialist type nations.

When united as a single socio economic system, where no one can purchase or sell, then all four separate beasts in Daniel 7 and Revelation 6 represent the single unified beast in Revelation 13.

Where are you getting this from? May I ask?

 

[luigi]

Rev 13 is about the final beast, Who had overcome the first three beasts.. again, Who are the 4 beasts?

Look at the descriptions of the four separate beasts in Daniel 7; the first beast a lion, the second beast a bear, the third beast a leopard, and the fourth beast with ten horns. Now look at the description of the single beast in Revelation 13; a ten horned beast, with the appearance of a leopard, and feet of a bear, and a mouth as a lion. These are the same beasts, but united.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.



Revelaiton 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 

[luigi]

Where are you getting this from? May I ask?

By putting scripture together with correlating scriptures describing the same series of events to arrive at my conclusions.
I have provided many such conclusions about the abomination that maketh desolate, the ten horned beast, the Northern and Southern kingdoms, Death and Hell, and other correlations on this site.

 

[Jackson123]

What is a complete desolation if not the fact that the temple is totally destroyed and nothing is left and there is even a temple of another religion on its place?

That it lasts thousands of years is even more abominable to Jews. So I do not follow your logic.

What is a complete desolation if not the fact that the temple is totally destroyed and nothing is left and there is even a temple of another religion on its place?

That it lasts thousands of years is even more abominable to Jews. So I do not follow your logic.

Daniel 11:31 King James Version (KJV)

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Matthew 24:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

I think temple was desolated twice. But we talking about desolation in relation with second coming. It may not desolation of the building, but antichrist use that building to be his capital city and claim himself as a God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By putting scripture together with correlating scriptures describing the same series of events to arrive at my conclusions.
I have provided many such conclusions about the abomination that maketh desolate, the ten horned beast, the Northern and Southern kingdoms, Death and Hell, and other correlations on this site.

Can you show where others think this way also?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel 11:31 King James Version (KJV)

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Matthew 24:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

I think temple was desolated twice. But we talking about desolation in relation with second coming. It may not desolation of the building, but antichrist use that building to be his capital city and claim himself as a God

Jesus said to those people. When you see this abomination STAND in the HOLY PLACE. Run.

How should we interpret tha if their is no physical holy place, and no abomination for the people to see, indicating that they should run at this point, because something very severe is about to happen in Jerusalem. So you better get out while you can? Which is what Jesus was warning.

 

[Hevosmies]

Hey guys. Just dropping by to take back all bad things i've ever said aboout dispensationalism.
I just became one in a second.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Abomination - and unclean thing or idol

Make desolate - Make unclean or desolate

Spoken of a temple. Or holy place. That is made unclean when an idol is placed or sacrificed in the most holy place.

OT example. Antiochus Epiphanes sacrifed a pig in the holy of holys, making it desolate

Jesus said we would see it STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE - (thus inspite of popular belief, it is not the temple being destroyed, the holy place must be intackt, and the Idol or uncean thing must be present inside the holy place for it to be seen)

Also note. Jesus said we could see it.. “when you see it, RUN....”

It would be impossible for the nation and all those Jesus spoke to to see inside the Holy Place in Jesus day, in first century, or any century pre worldwide TV era. Ie, until the last 100 years. Was impossible to be fulfilled.

Good day Eternally,

Desolate - (of a place) deserted of people and in a state of bleak and dismal emptiness.

I agree with all that you said above. However, regarding the "desolation" it will be the result of the abomination being set up in the holy place, which fits your description above which says "when you see it, RUN." Israel's running, which is described in Matt.24:15-16 and Rev.12:6, 14 is the desolation, to make Jerusalem/Judea empty because of the abomination that will have been set up.

 

[trofimus]

Good day Eternally,

Desolate - (of a place) deserted of people and in a state of bleak and dismal emptiness.

I agree with all that you said above. However, regarding the "desolation" it will be the result of the abomination being set up in the holy place, which fits your description above which says "when you see it, RUN." Israel's running, which is described in Matt.24:15-16 and Rev.12:6, 14 is the desolation, to make Jerusalem/Judea empty because of the abomination that will have been set up.

Have you heard what happened in 70 AD?

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus said to those people. When you see this abomination STAND in the HOLY PLACE. Run.

How should we interpret tha if their is no physical holy place, and no abomination for the people to see, indicating that they should run at this point, because something very severe is about to happen in Jerusalem. So you better get out while you can? Which is what Jesus was warning.

Yep, I mean the antichrist not desolate or destroy the building. So there is a building and the antichrist use that building for capital city, like White House .

 

[trofimus]

Daniel 11:31 King James Version (KJV)

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Matthew 24:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

I think temple was desolated twice. But we talking about desolation in relation with second coming. It may not desolation of the building, but antichrist use that building to be his capital city and claim himself as a God

Its always a bad thing to take two verses from different places and put them together and make a theology based on that.

 

[Hevosmies]

Have you heard what happened in 70 AD?

I for one am tired of hearing about AD70. It did NOT NOT NOT fulfill Matthew 24.
For the following reasons:

1. Jesus did not return in the clouds
2. Jesus did not gather His elect
3. There was no risk of there being NONE LEFT unless the days would be shortened
4. It was not the worst time in history
5. The Sheep and Goats judgment HAS NOT happened yet, and the sheep have NOT inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the foundation of the world yet.

And many other reasons...

The AD70 was definately prophecied by Jesus here (not denying that, but it wasnt Matthew 24&25):
Matt 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

 

[Jackson123]

Its always a bad thing to take two verses from different places and put them together and make a theology based on that.

So you believe matt 24 :15 was happen about thausand year ago?

Who stand in Holy place? Imam?

 

[Tina2018]

How do you come up with this interpretation?

Can the world see an unclean thing staning in your soul?
Can that unclean thing stop sacrifice and offering in the holy placeCan that warning of them seeing it in your soul cause them to remember the words of Jesus and his warning to flee to the mountains (those in jerusalem)?

There is no basis for this thinking of allegorical interpretation of this prophesy

I would have to disagree with you

Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, which we received from God
If we accept another god in our lives then we are setting up idols in the temple reserved for God.

So if what u see with your eyes u love and worship then yes u are setting up an unclean thing because God is unseen

 

[garee]

Good day Eternally,

Desolate - (of a place) deserted of people and in a state of bleak and dismal emptiness.

I agree with all that you said above. However, regarding the "desolation" it will be the result of the abomination being set up in the holy place, which fits your description above which says "when you see it, RUN." Israel's running, which is described in Matt.24:15-16 and Rev.12:6, 14 is the desolation, to make Jerusalem/Judea empty because of the abomination that will have been set up.

The desolate place as Holy is the unseen eternal glory of God. When you see a man there run. Its s a sure thing.

The antichrists as those who say we need a man" seen" teach us like the Pope, Jim Jones or any false prophets, that say he is the mediator between man and God,,,,, are seducing others to come into the place of desolation reserved for the unseen glory of God.

God is not a man as us .In that we serve the faithful Creator not seen, not man as the things there of seen .Or at least that is what I believe 1 John 2 is referring to .

Blasphemy; "accrediting the work of one to another" does desolate of the holy unseen place placing man seen in the place of glory as those who do glory in the flesh. . To look to the outward temporal as the holy place..... it could be where I think the confusion began. We walk by faith the eternal . And not by sight after the temporal. He will come as a thief in the might. We have the privilege as believers to watch as watchers

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning "them" that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him (not seen) abideth in you, and ye need not that any man (seen)teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:22-28

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would have to disagree with you

Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, which we received from God
If we accept another god in our lives then we are setting up idols in the temple reserved for God.

So if what u see with your eyes u love and worship then yes u are setting up an unclean thing because God is unseen

I never said our bodies are not the temple, In fact scripture says it is, But that is not what I am speaking about. I am talking about the temple where Jesus said we would see the abomination of desolation stand, And when we (whoever we are) see it, to run.

 

[luigi]

Can you show where others think this way also?

Only they who support their perspectives of scriptures with correlating scriptures think as I do.
Most others use a superficial interpretation of a scripture, usually from dogma that they have carried for many years, but that when put to the test of correlating scriptures to the event/s described, they fail.