Texas State Board of Education votes to erase Hillary Clinton from history curriculum

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Lillywolf

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MSN/The Hill Article 17 hours ago

I am no fan of Mrs.Clinton. This is concerning though even for Texas. Wiping someone out of the history books in a nation with a first amendment. The other erase-E? Helen Keller.
"the recommendation to eliminate Helen Keller and Hillary Clinton was made by [Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills] work groups."
It is about streamlining and reviewing the relevance the person has within the larger curriculum, not really about wiping out.

Of course the leftist news media always has to make it sound like an equity issue or diversity issue.
 

Lillywolf

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Well let us see. Helen Keller made history as a mute. HRC, though I am no fan of the woman, did too.
There's really no excuse to eradicate history. It was made and helped form the present and the future in this nation. However, when the civil war started to come under attack and war memorials commemorating the sacrifice of men and women who were both black and white , because of some idea of appeasement in the present so as to eradicate what did occur in the past.
And that helped set a people free that today protest the very war that accomplished that being identified in statuary at all, while a battle flag was the first causality of that same war, it was just a matter of time before the wipe out of selective past truth went even further.
A nation is defined by its history. Good or bad, it is what transpired. And lives were lived and were lost in the making of it. Whatever nation to whom we refer. Somehow that beacon on the hill, that great experiment, was forgotten. That too is a history that many don't recall when those terms today are applied.
Children, at least in the future Texas, those who will grow up, grow older, and be the one's who carve out our future as politicians, law makers, leaders, teachers, counselors, and more, shall arrive some time in this 21st century totally unaware of the accomplishments, the role-model, that Helen Keller was and remains. Not just for those with disabilities but for all people who doubt their capacity to achieve when they are blessed to have all their senses.
Helen Keller
was blind and deaf. However, she wasn't disabled. She was differently abled than her contemporaries. And she was and remains an example of what can be overcome when someone cannot see this world nor hear it alive and active around her. Someone who could not speak as we do did not know the words, I can't because I am deaf and blind.

In a time when transvestites lead story hour in a government school before very young children, the greater relevance for contemporary curriculum should not conflate tolerance with censorship. As if each are in competition and one must die so that the other may thrive.
And HRC, as loathe as she is as an individual with no morals, is too that role model in that she, in a world that in some places to this day think women are less than and ill equipped for certain services solely due to our sex, made history in her own right. As the first presidential candidate. Right after the history was made for the first black male elected into the highest office. His history in that trusted post is deplorable. However, for the same reason he was not impeached out of office or arrested for treason or sedition at the very least, the charge or racism that would follow, he shall not be edited from our history books in any wise. Not even in Texas.

When a people obscure their true history for the sake of any excuse proffered, they damn their future. Because they are let to forget where they came from, and how they arrived surviving as a people.

There is no excuse to forget the past. Without it , every bit of it, the USA would not exist. Or, maybe deep down that's the point.

Only the future will tell.
If it is allowed to speak the truth.
 
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Well let us see. Helen Keller made history as a mute. HRC, though I am no fan of the woman, did too.
There's really no excuse to eradicate history. It was made and helped form the present and the future in this nation. However, when the civil war started to come under attack and war memorials commemorating the sacrifice of men and women who were both black and white , because of some idea of appeasement in the present so as to eradicate what did occur in the past.
And that helped set a people free that today protest the very war that accomplished that being identified in statuary at all, while a battle flag was the first causality of that same war, it was just a matter of time before the wipe out of selective past truth went even further.
A nation is defined by its history. Good or bad, it is what transpired. And lives were lived and were lost in the making of it. Whatever nation to whom we refer. Somehow that beacon on the hill, that great experiment, was forgotten. That too is a history that many don't recall when those terms today are applied.
Children, at least in the future Texas, those who will grow up, grow older, and be the one's who carve out our future as politicians, law makers, leaders, teachers, counselors, and more, shall arrive some time in this 21st century totally unaware of the accomplishments, the role-model, that Helen Keller was and remains. Not just for those with disabilities but for all people who doubt their capacity to achieve when they are blessed to have all their senses.
Helen Keller
was blind and deaf. However, she wasn't disabled. She was differently abled than her contemporaries. And she was and remains an example of what can be overcome when someone cannot see this world nor hear it alive and active around her. Someone who could not speak as we do did not know the words, I can't because I am deaf and blind.

In a time when transvestites lead story hour in a government school before very young children, the greater relevance for contemporary curriculum should not conflate tolerance with censorship. As if each are in competition and one must die so that the other may thrive.
And HRC, as loathe as she is as an individual with no morals, is too that role model in that she, in a world that in some places to this day think women are less than and ill equipped for certain services solely due to our sex, made history in her own right. As the first presidential candidate. Right after the history was made for the first black male elected into the highest office. His history in that trusted post is deplorable. However, for the same reason he was not impeached out of office or arrested for treason or sedition at the very least, the charge or racism that would follow, he shall not be edited from our history books in any wise. Not even in Texas.

When a people obscure their true history for the sake of any excuse proffered, they damn their future. Because they are let to forget where they came from, and how they arrived surviving as a people.

There is no excuse to forget the past. Without it , every bit of it, the USA would not exist. Or, maybe deep down that's the point.

Only the future will tell.
If it is allowed to speak the truth.

I am not really sure what you are saying here considering Texas is one of your most conservative states.

I do not need to schooled on Helen Keller I am very familiar with her ideas and life story.

While what you have written has some merit it has no bearing on the decision why Helen Keller and Hilary Clinton were removed it has more to do with instructional time and the fact that neither of these two woman triggered any "watershed change in the course of history."

Helen Keller's teacher, Ann Sullivan, is far more significant in terms of her teaching methodology of the deaf/blind, although even she does not fit an elementary school social studies class.
 

p_rehbein

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Texas doesn't have a lot of trees. So maybe they, being conservative, are simply trying to save on paper?

I think History is big enough to include both. One, an inspiration for all mankind, and the other, an example of when much is given, it can be wasted so sinfully............

I suspect there is more behind this Story than what we are reading...........
 

p_rehbein

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Given that our Government voted that it was NOT ESSENTIAL for students to learn about God............well............nuff said
 
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Given that our Government voted that it was NOT ESSENTIAL for students to learn about God............well............nuff said
Not learning about God, country...and...drumroll...HRC. Looks like somebody’s come up through the ranks😂.
 

p_rehbein

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Awhile back, they were wanting to revise how the battle of the Alamo was fought, and why..........don't know what came of that wee inspiration.............. :)
 

calibob

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I really can't recan't recall anything significant Hillary did to get in the history books. Denial of true history would be a travesty to education.
 

p_rehbein

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Her claim to fame is her husband........well, and the myriad of scandals that he and she created and managed to survive despite a plethora of evidence showing their guilt. From Whitewater to the Embassy mess where those guys died, to the Russia payola thingy with her and Bill, and on, and on, and on........

Not all Recorded History is a favorable account of peoples. Sometimes they are despicable enough to merit at least a Footnote in the Annals of History...........
:)
 

Quantrill

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Texas doesn't have a lot of trees. So maybe they, being conservative, are simply trying to save on paper?

I think History is big enough to include both. One, an inspiration for all mankind, and the other, an example of when much is given, it can be wasted so sinfully............

I suspect there is more behind this Story than what we are reading...........
Trust me. Texas has a lot of trees.

Travis County, which is where Austin resides, which is the Capitol, is an island of atheistic, liberal, left, democrats surrounded by the rest of the Red Conservative State. But because they are the home of the politicians, and a major college town, and liberal ones at that, the NAACP and every other liberal and leftist organizations make their home there so as to be able to pressure representatives to pass their stupid laws.

So, what is happening. All Confederate monuments are being removed from Capitol grounds and anything Confederate found anywhere else in the County. All High Schools named after Confederate Heroes, of which there are several are being changed. Streets and any thing they can get changed is being changed.

In other words, these leftist people are not just wanting to be recognized. They want to eradicate the others history. Completely.

So, don't be surprised when you see this taking place in our fair country of freedom of speech and all that. Because it is going on everywhere constantly. Just consider it part of the warfare of protecting your freedoms.

Quantrill
 

p_rehbein

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i know, I was born there..........was being cutsie.............
 

Locutus

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It is about streamlining and reviewing the relevance the person has within the larger curriculum, not really about wiping out.

Of course the leftist news media always has to make it sound like an equity issue or diversity issue.
I read the article UG - I don't really see were they "make it sound like an equity issue or diversity issue".

I musta missed somefin or is the word "erase" too evocative?
 

Locutus

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From the article:

Barbara Cargill, a Texas Republican and member of the board, told The Dallas Morning News that "the recommendation to eliminate Helen Keller and Hillary Clinton was made by [Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills] work groups."
Cargill bio/fact check:

Barbara Cargill, the creationist former chair of the Texas State Board of Education (SBOE), sent supporters an email today announcing her 2016 bid for re-election to the 15-member body. The Republican from The Woodlands near Houston has been one of the leading right-wing culture warriors on the board, helping to politicize the state’s curriculum standards and trying to censor textbook content that doesn’t pass her ideological litmus test. So we thought it would be good to fact-check Cargill’s email announcement. Following are some of what Cargill calls highlights of her 11 years on the SBOE:
Full text at:

http://tfn.org/fact-checking-barbara-cargill/
 
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I read the article UG - I don't really see were they "make it sound like an equity issue or diversity issue".

I musta missed somefin or is the word "erase" too evocative?
Yes you are right, I cannot find anything in that article, I can no longer remember why I thought that, I did look up several news articles to understand it better and read something different comments but I do not remember what it was that made me think that way. :unsure:

It could have been the word "erase" but now looking back they used that word because it relates to the classroom.

Too funny, I stand corrected.....hehehe.:oops:
 
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Now if they, (FBI) would do the honorable thing and arrest, try, convict and jail both Clintons we would be getting somewhere!!!!
 
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Trying to imagine HRC being erased from our collective memories as a nation.
*sigh* What a lovely thought.
In reality, abrogating history for any reason is not reasonable. Children growing up without an education are not a positive for the future. They're a deficit.
 
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Trying to imagine HRC being erased from our collective memories as a nation.
*sigh* What a lovely thought.
In reality, abrogating history for any reason is not reasonable. Children growing up without an education are not a positive for the future. They're a deficit.
What was HRC watershed moment that she should be included elementary school social studies curriculum?

We are talking elementary school.