You are preaching the gospel falsely and for the wrong reasons. The apostles wrote letters addressed to the churches and to children of God telling them the instructions of God as to how they were to live their lives here on earth and revealing to them how that they have already been saved eternally by the sacrifice of Christ for their sins. God saves eternally, man does not. Man can instruct a disobedient child of God to repent and save "deliver" a soul from non-fellowship with God, which is a deliverance he will receive here on earth.
Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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Calvinism is a view that God died only for some the "elect" (not the world) and Arminianism is basally the opposite side of the same coin. Calvinists believe the works will manifest if youre truly saved and arminianism is pretty up front about works playing a part in salvation. But we know it's not of works lest any man should boast. The Bible say Whosoever believeth shall not perish but have everlasting life. Thats why a child can get saved but as we grow up we twist and confuse the message of grace. A child can simply say I do bad things Jesus paid for it. That's faith
I will repeat myself again, Roger, anytime you see a scripture using the words, repent, accept, believe, submit etc. they have reference to the disobedient child of God, not to the natural man who does not think that he has anything to repent of. But I do appreciate you having enough concern for me to try to save me, but I assure you that I am already saved eternally, although I do need some deliverance in living my life here on earth, so if you could direct your efforts toward that aim, it would be appreciated.
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23
It’s up to man to obey the Gospel to be cleansed of his sins and born again.
JLB
In order to keep these verses in context, Peter is talking to, verse 2, his elect children. In your referenced verses, his elect, who have already been regenerated and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and have obeyed the truth THROUGH THE SPIRIT unto a genuine love of the brethren. The natural man does not have the Spirit until after he has been regenerated as explained in Eph 2, especially verse 5. Obeying the gospel does cleanse you, but you have added "and born again". The gospel does not even cleanse the natural man, because he cannot discern it. Would you like to try again?
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How can I add something to 1 Peter 1:22-23 that is already there?
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23
JPT
How can I add something to 1 Peter 1:22-23 that is already there?
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23
JPT
it was going good until this post . I was almost thinking they would make it for the rest of the threads I have not yet seen just got done with thread 188 & 120 IS WHERE IT'S STARTS . i THINK i WILL GO ON AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE Are resulting in insults. I have a feeling nthey will be the usual ones. Then I will have this thread closed due to those who yet again talk about elect but talk like the unsaved.
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How do calvinists explain away "God wants all men to be saved"? Pray for all men? Including kings etc.? I heard many calvinists say it just means all kinds of people because it tells us first to pray for kings and those in authority. But that is just ridicilous, it doesnt say ALL KINDS of men, it just says all men. And that is consistent with Jesus dying for "the world" and "Not for ours only, but the whole world" "not willing any perish" etc.
How do calvinists explain away "God wants all men to be saved"? Pray for all men? Including kings etc.? I heard many calvinists say it just means all kinds of people because it tells us first to pray for kings and those in authority. But that is just ridicilous, it doesnt say ALL KINDS of men, it just says all men. And that is consistent with Jesus dying for "the world" and "Not for ours only, but the whole world" "not willing any perish" etc.
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