Is it correct that Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God right now?

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Hevosmies said:
How were people saved before Paul came along then? How were they saved when Peter was preaching after the resurrection?

Matthew 28:19-20 is after the resurrection. We are to teach ALL Jesus taught (past tense, during His earthly ministry) to ALL nations. Not just the Jews. ANd not just what Paul taught.
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Jesus told the man that was healed to see a priest and offer a sacrifice. Do we obey that?

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2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
 
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Hevosmies said:
How were people saved before Paul came along then? How were they saved when Peter was preaching after the resurrection?

Matthew 28:19-20 is after the resurrection. We are to teach ALL Jesus taught (past tense, during His earthly ministry) to ALL nations. Not just the Jews. ANd not just what Paul taught.
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Jesus taught on the sermon on the mount that if any man ask you for anything, do not refuse to give to the man and do not ask for it back. Do you practice this? If so, give me your car.:)
 
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Jesus was standing ready to return and usher in the last days if the Jewish leadership would have received the preaching of Stephen. Instead, they stoned Stephen and Stephen asks the Lord to forgive them and lay not this sin to their account. In other words, give Israel another chance for they did it out of ignorance (similar to Jesus on the cross). The Lord would give Israel another chance to receive their Messiah, but would finally cut them off in Acts 28.
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Sounds right,I will agree with you.:)
 
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John146 said:
Jesus told the man that was healed to see a priest and offer a sacrifice. Do we obey that?

Matthew 8
2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
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What about the thief on the cross?
Did he acknowledge and repent from his sins? did he believe in Jesus? or did he keep the law for Jesus to promise him paradise?
 
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Noose said:
What about the thief on the cross?
Did he acknowledge and repent from his sins? did he believe in Jesus? or did he keep the law for Jesus to promise him paradise?
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The thief on the cross had no knowledge of the death, burial and resurrection. He did not go directly to heaven but paradise, Abraham's bosom. Later, on the third day, paradise would be translated to heaven as Jesus set the captives free.
 
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The thief on the cross had no knowledge of the death, burial and resurrection. He did not go directly to heaven but paradise, Abraham's bosom. Later, on the third day, paradise would be translated to heaven as Jesus set the captives free.
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You clearly have no clue of what you are saying.

The thief requested Jesus not to forget him when He (Jesus) comes with His kingdom- this means means the thief believed in Jesus's death and resurrection.
Q. From where did he get the idea that Jesus is coming back with the kingdom of God?
 
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John146 said:
Jesus taught on the sermon on the mount that if any man ask you for anything, do not refuse to give to the man and do not ask for it back. Do you practice this? If so, give me your car.:)
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Jokes on you. I dont own a car! :D

But I get your point. My question is: if the sermon on the mount isnt for us, WHAT is it good for?
 
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Jokes on you. I dont own a car! :D

But I get your point. My question is: if the sermon on the mount isnt for us, WHAT is it good for?
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Doctrine for the Jews living in the earthly kingdom of heaven when Christ returns.
 
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You clearly have no clue of what you are saying.

The thief requested Jesus not to forget him when He (Jesus) comes with His kingdom- this means means the thief believed in Jesus's death and resurrection.
Q. From where did he get the idea that Jesus is coming back with the kingdom of God?
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Jesus did not ascend into heaven until the third day. "This day you will be with me in paradise" is a reference to Abraham's bosom.
 
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Doctrine for the Jews living in the earthly kingdom of heaven when Christ returns.
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Well im glad its somewhere atleast.

But isnt it a bit early to give such instructions? All of the guys who heard the sermon are long gone and the earthly kingdom still isnt here yet, why give the doctrine so earlY?
 
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Jesus taught on the sermon on the mount that if any man ask you for anything, do not refuse to give to the man and do not ask for it back. Do you practice this? If so, give me your car.:)
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Where does it say that please?

50 Commands of Christ - Summary List
1. Repent—Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3
2. Let not your heart be troubled—John 14:27, John 16:33, Matthew 6:25-26, Philippians 4:6-7
3. Follow me—Matthew 4:19
4. Rejoice—Matthew 5:12, (Also 2 Corinthians 6:10, 12:10, James 1:2-4)
5. Let your light shine—Matthew 5:16
6. Honor God’s law—Matthew 5:17-19
7. Be reconciled—Matthew 5:24-25
8. Do not commit adultery—Matthew 5:27-30
9. Keep your word—Matthew 5:33-37
10. Go the second mile—Matthew 5:38-42
11. Love your enemies—Matthew 5:44
12. Be perfect—Matthew 5:48
13. Practice secret disciplines (giving, praying, fasting)—Matthew 6:1-18
14. Lay up treasures in heaven—Matthew 6:19-21
15. Seek first the kingdom of God—Matthew 6:33
16. Judge not—Matthew 7:1-2
17. Do not throw your pearls to pigs—Matthew 7:6
18. Ask, seek, and knock—Matthew 7:7-8
19. Do unto others—Matthew 7:12
20. Choose the narrow way—Matthew 7:13-14
21. Beware of false prophets—Matthew 7:15
22. Pray for those who spread the word—Matthew 9:37-38
23. Be as shrewd as serpents—Matthew 10:16. (Also Romans 16:19)
24. Fear God. Do not fear man— Matthew 10:28 (Also Luke 12:4-5)
25. Listen to God’s voice—Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43, Mark 4:23, Luke 14:35, 1 Kings 19:11-13
26.Take my yoke—Matthew 11:29
27. Honor your parents—Matthew 15:4
28. Beware of false teaching—Matthew 16:6, 11-12
29. Deny yourself—Luke 9:23 (Also Matthew 10:38 and Mark 8:34)
30. Do not despise little ones—Matthew 18:10
31. Go to Christians who offend you—Matthew 8:15 (Also Galatians 6:1)
32. Forgive offenders—Matthew 18:21-22 (Also Proverbs 19:11)
33. Beware of covetousness—Luke 12:15
34. Honor marriage—Matthew 19:6, 19:9
35. Lead by being a servant—Matthew 20:26-28
36. Make the church a house of prayer for all nations—Mark 11:17
37. Pray in faith—Matthew 21:21-22, John 15:7
38. Bring in the poor—Luke 14:12-14
39. Render unto Caesar—Matthew 22:19-21
40. Love the Lord—Matthew 22:37-38
41. Love your neighbor—Matthew 22:39
42. Be born again—John 3:7
43. Await my return—Matthew 24:42-44
44. Celebrate the Lord’s supper—Matthew 26:26-
45. Watch and pray—Matthew 26:41
46. Keep my commandments—John 14:15
47. Feed my sheep—John 21:15-16
48. Make and baptize disciples—Matthew 28:19
49. Teach disciples to obey—Matthew 28:20
50. Receive God’s power—Luke 24:49

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/Commands/index.htm
 
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Jesus did not ascend into heaven until the third day. "This day you will be with me in paradise" is a reference to Abraham's bosom.
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You did not answer my question. The man asked Jesus not to forget him when He comes in His kingdom, that alone makes it clear that the man believed in Jesus' death and resurrection.
My question is very simple, from where did the man get the idea that Jesus will come back with the kingdom of God if the gospel was not preached?
 
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John146 said:
Jesus did not ascend into heaven until the third day. "This day you will be with me in paradise" is a reference to Abraham's bosom.
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Where is Abraham?

In his last words, Jacob issued this set of instructions to them all: "I'm about to join our ancestors. Bury me alongside my ancestors in the cave in the field that used to belong to Ephron the Hittite. It's the cave in the field near Mamre at Machpelah in the land of Canaan that Abraham bought to serve as a cemetery. It's where Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, where Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and where I buried Leah.
(Gen 49:29-31 ISV)
 
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Where does it say that please?

50 Commands of Christ - Summary List
1. Repent—Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3
2. Let not your heart be troubled—John 14:27, John 16:33, Matthew 6:25-26, Philippians 4:6-7
3. Follow me—Matthew 4:19
4. Rejoice—Matthew 5:12, (Also 2 Corinthians 6:10, 12:10, James 1:2-4)
5. Let your light shine—Matthew 5:16
6. Honor God’s law—Matthew 5:17-19
7. Be reconciled—Matthew 5:24-25
8. Do not commit adultery—Matthew 5:27-30
9. Keep your word—Matthew 5:33-37
10. Go the second mile—Matthew 5:38-42
11. Love your enemies—Matthew 5:44
12. Be perfect—Matthew 5:48
13. Practice secret disciplines (giving, praying, fasting)—Matthew 6:1-18
14. Lay up treasures in heaven—Matthew 6:19-21
15. Seek first the kingdom of God—Matthew 6:33
16. Judge not—Matthew 7:1-2
17. Do not throw your pearls to pigs—Matthew 7:6
18. Ask, seek, and knock—Matthew 7:7-8
19. Do unto others—Matthew 7:12
20. Choose the narrow way—Matthew 7:13-14
21. Beware of false prophets—Matthew 7:15
22. Pray for those who spread the word—Matthew 9:37-38
23. Be as shrewd as serpents—Matthew 10:16. (Also Romans 16:19)
24. Fear God. Do not fear man— Matthew 10:28 (Also Luke 12:4-5)
25. Listen to God’s voice—Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43, Mark 4:23, Luke 14:35, 1 Kings 19:11-13
26.Take my yoke—Matthew 11:29
27. Honor your parents—Matthew 15:4
28. Beware of false teaching—Matthew 16:6, 11-12
29. Deny yourself—Luke 9:23 (Also Matthew 10:38 and Mark 8:34)
30. Do not despise little ones—Matthew 18:10
31. Go to Christians who offend you—Matthew 8:15 (Also Galatians 6:1)
32. Forgive offenders—Matthew 18:21-22 (Also Proverbs 19:11)
33. Beware of covetousness—Luke 12:15
34. Honor marriage—Matthew 19:6, 19:9
35. Lead by being a servant—Matthew 20:26-28
36. Make the church a house of prayer for all nations—Mark 11:17
37. Pray in faith—Matthew 21:21-22, John 15:7
38. Bring in the poor—Luke 14:12-14
39. Render unto Caesar—Matthew 22:19-21
40. Love the Lord—Matthew 22:37-38
41. Love your neighbor—Matthew 22:39
42. Be born again—John 3:7
43. Await my return—Matthew 24:42-44
44. Celebrate the Lord’s supper—Matthew 26:26-
45. Watch and pray—Matthew 26:41
46. Keep my commandments—John 14:15
47. Feed my sheep—John 21:15-16
48. Make and baptize disciples—Matthew 28:19
49. Teach disciples to obey—Matthew 28:20
50. Receive God’s power—Luke 24:49

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/Commands/index.htm
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Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Do you practice this? If someone punches you or your wife in the face, do you turn the other cheek? Is self defense allowed in the sermon on the mount?
 
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Where is Abraham?

In his last words, Jacob issued this set of instructions to them all: "I'm about to join our ancestors. Bury me alongside my ancestors in the cave in the field that used to belong to Ephron the Hittite. It's the cave in the field near Mamre at Machpelah in the land of Canaan that Abraham bought to serve as a cemetery. It's where Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, where Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and where I buried Leah.
(Gen 49:29-31 ISV)
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Back then, the heart of the earth. Now, set free through Jesus Christ.
 
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Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Do you practice this? If someone punches you or your wife in the face, do you turn the other cheek? Is self defense allowed in the sermon on the mount?
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I have an alcoholic neighbour who asks for drink or money with which to by drink and there is no way I would do that.
So what I try to do is to help her in a way that is beneficial to her. This is a win, win situation. But if you want a new car, you are going to be unlucky. Sorry pal.
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There was something in the culture whereby one hand is clean and the other is not. If someone uses their unclean hand they will get themselves into trouble, so if you turn the other cheek they will be stymied because it will mean using the wrong hand which according to the culture of the day, they cannot do. I forget all the details.
 
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My question is: if the sermon on the mount isnt for us, WHAT is it good for?
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let the children of Israel know that they can't save themselves and needed faith that GOD can do It.
 
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Till the resurrection.
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Correct, so the thief on the cross did not go to heaven until the third day, but was in paradise with the Lord in the heart of the earth.
 
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