Is this for real

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

BaptistBibleBeliever

Well-known member
Sep 9, 2018
2,244
1,032
113
71
Illinois
#21
Okay, but I think a 'Thus saith the Lord' from Scripture will go a lot further. Most of the people he is challenging are scripturally challenged.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#22
How do you know which is from the Lord, which is from the devil?

Answer: By their fruits.
Yep, it take time to see the fruit. For this pastor that live thausand mile from us, we see the fruit by google.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#23
As soon as I looked at the picture before even opening the video I said to my self this guy is probably a word of faith preacher. I then found this link. https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomeP...-entry-in-Rolls-Royce-with-long-convoy-597545 I find it ironic that Jesus rode into town on an "ass/donkey" and this guy comes into town surrounded by horses in a Rolls Royce. So you tell me which one is from the devil? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So you believe he is the agent of the devil because he is rich.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#24
EXACTLY why the words CEASE, FAIL and VANISH AWAY need to be UNDERSTOOD as applied unto 1st Corinthians 13........
You mean love? If there is love than from the Lord, if not than from the devil.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#25
Simple. A true Christian ministry focus on the Lord Jesus Christ, His finished work of redemption, and the salvation of souls (which is miraculous in itself). Following that, Christian baptism and the sober and sincere discipling of believers. The days of signs and wonders are over. We walk by faith, not by sight.

That which is of the devil shifts the focus to something or someone else -- a charismatic figure who dazzles the crowds and demands lots of cash. And there are always lies mixed with truth.
So you believe this pastor is from the devil because he perform miracle?

It mean you believe miracle always come from the devil?
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#26
Jackson knows what the Bible teaches. He is simply challenging those who focus on signs and wonders.
Honestly I do not know for sure if this from God or devil. The Bible teach us to see the fruit, but we live thausand mile from him, not easy to watch the fruit.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,777
113
#27
So you believe this pastor is from the devil because he perform miracle?
I do not know enough about this pastor, but from what others are saying it would appear that way.
It mean you believe miracle always come from the devil?
Miracles do not always come from the devil, but a lot of what is shown today may be in fact counterfeit miracles. For example, being "slain in the Spirit" has no biblical basis, but it is happening all the time.

What we need to stress is the power of the Gospel in bringing souls to salvation.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#28
I do not know enough about this pastor, but from what others are saying it would appear that way.

Miracles do not always come from the devil, but a lot of what is shown today may be in fact counterfeit miracles. For example, being "slain in the Spirit" has no biblical basis, but it is happening all the time.

What we need to stress is the power of the Gospel in bringing souls to salvation.
So miracle do not always from the devil. It mean miracle not determined whether this pastor work for God or devil, am I correct?
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,777
113
#29
So miracle do not always from the devil. It mean miracle not determined whether this pastor work for God or devil, am I correct?
One has to thoroughly investigate any ministry before it can be properly judged. Frankly, I do not pay attention to these preachers. But if you have concerns you should check this one out thoroughly. If this guy is riding around in a Rolls-Royce while many of his countrymen are barely surviving, that should be a red flag.

"However, it is their penchant for a luxurious lifestyle that has likely caught many people's attention. The young pastor who is said to be worth about 1 billion dollars has a lot of luxurious items to his name. Pastor Lukau's social media pages are full of pictures of his private jet and luxury cars, including a Rolls-Royce." Read more:

https://www.naija.ng/1186332-south-...hows-luxurious-life-photos-video.html#1186332
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#30
One has to thoroughly investigate any ministry before it can be properly judged. Frankly, I do not pay attention to these preachers. But if you have concerns you should check this one out thoroughly. If this guy is riding around in a Rolls-Royce while many of his countrymen are barely surviving, that should be a red flag.

"However, it is their penchant for a luxurious lifestyle that has likely caught many people's attention. The young pastor who is said to be worth about 1 billion dollars has a lot of luxurious items to his name. Pastor Lukau's social media pages are full of pictures of his private jet and luxury cars, including a Rolls-Royce." Read more:

https://www.naija.ng/1186332-south-...hows-luxurious-life-photos-video.html#1186332
In other word, is he work for God or devil determined by whether he rich or poor, am I correct?
 

Radius

Senior Member
Feb 11, 2013
1,171
181
63
#31
LOl this is the black Peter Popoff. Don't know who he is? Google it. He basically was fed information about people in the audience in attendence from his wife backstage who looked at prayer cards or gathered information about them before the service. It's all fake.
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#32
LOl this is the black Peter Popoff. Don't know who he is? Google it. He basically was fed information about people in the audience in attendence from his wife backstage who looked at prayer cards or gathered information about them before the service. It's all fake.
So you do not believe God able to give such information for this man, am I correct?

Or you believe God have ability to supply such information but He is not interested in doing so.

Am I correct?
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#34
Did Paul ride around in a Rolls-Royce?
No Paul was live in a simple life and not interested in earthly wealth.

Is that mean if a miracle perform by rich man, mean not from the Lord?
 

PS

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2013
5,399
695
113
#35
Honestly I do not know for sure if this from God or devil. The Bible teach us to see the fruit, but we live thausand mile from him, not easy to watch the fruit.
I'm reminded of the rich young ruler.
No Paul was live in a simple life and not interested in earthly wealth.

Is that mean if a miracle perform by rich man, mean not from the Lord?
Remember the rich young ruler? He valued wealth over God. It is not how much we have, but rather who or what is most important to us. We can be robbed of money and earthly goods rust, rot and get destroyed in hurricanes, but God is eternal.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
#36
Is this pastor teach false gospel?
i can't determine that by what kind of car he drives and fact that he has a jet. i don't believe the Bible teaches us every rich man is corrupt or came to riches through evil. it doesn't teach that every man God approves is rich either. having wealth isn't sin just by itself, and blessing from God isn't always in the form of earthly wealth tho it may be.

if i listen to his sermons maybe i will know whether what he says is true or false. i am sorry i have not had time to do so.

the verses i mentioned previously are here:
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 --- if a prophet performs real miracles but leads us to a different God, he is false
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 --- if a prophet says 'this will be' and it isn't, he is not speaking by God

as for if he preaches a false gospel, we have the scripture and we compare what he says. and then if it is not right, we don't know if he is a liar or whether he has no understanding just because we know he is not telling us the same gospel, but we know we should not listen.

like you said he is a half a world away from me, what can i say? i can listen to some of his teaching when i have time. maybe most important point of the thread is 'how do i know?' because the same things apply to teachers who are near as those who are far.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
#37
My take is that Jackson is waiting for us to read the Bible for him and tell him what to believe . . . not good.
my impression of Jackson is that he knows and believes the gospel, and he often asks questions that make us think, and questions that point out flaws in logic and arguments.
i think this is better many times than trying to type out a sermon to tell people what they should think. when we come to a conclusion in our own mind, we are more ready to believe '
this is how it is' than if someone just tells us 'this is how it is'
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#38
I'm reminded of the rich young ruler.

Remember the rich young ruler? He valued wealth over God. It is not how much we have, but rather who or what is most important to us. We can be robbed of money and earthly goods rust, rot and get destroyed in hurricanes, but God is eternal.
So, do you believe this pastor is not work for God and the miracle is not from God, because he is rich?
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,371
113
#39
i can't determine that by what kind of car he drives and fact that he has a jet. i don't believe the Bible teaches us every rich man is corrupt or came to riches through evil. it doesn't teach that every man God approves is rich either. having wealth isn't sin just by itself, and blessing from God isn't always in the form of earthly wealth tho it may be.

if i listen to his sermons maybe i will know whether what he says is true or false. i am sorry i have not had time to do so.

the verses i mentioned previously are here:
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 --- if a prophet performs real miracles but leads us to a different God, he is false
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 --- if a prophet says 'this will be' and it isn't, he is not speaking by God

as for if he preaches a false gospel, we have the scripture and we compare what he says. and then if it is not right, we don't know if he is a liar or whether he has no understanding just because we know he is not telling us the same gospel, but we know we should not listen.

like you said he is a half a world away from me, what can i say? i can listen to some of his teaching when i have time. maybe most important point of the thread is 'how do i know?' because the same things apply to teachers who are near as those who are far.

So you believe the miracle this pastor do may from the Lord, may not. The fact he is rich do not mean he work for the devil. Am I correct?
 

PS

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2013
5,399
695
113
#40
So, do you believe this pastor is not work for God and the miracle is not from God, because he is rich?
God uses everyone, whether rich or poor, he even used Judas. A persons wealth has little to do with it, what matters is a persons heart. God looks on the heart, but we cannot do that. Neither do I believe we should judge others, that is for God.

All I would say, is that if this man sends out begging letters, tells people to donate money to him, and constantly appeals for money, then I would be very wary. A true man of God does it out of love for others and the master.

Jesus is our example. Did he live the high life? No, he did not.