Kavanaugh Debacle

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UnderGrace

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#41
Well, a Supreme Court Justice should under no circumstances be sworn in because there was reasonable doubt about his actions.

I think it’s pretty clear that none of them are saints. However, that be not the case here. What really is the case is the fact that we have a Justice that is being accused of immoral and criminal behavior. How many Justices have been accused of that before him?

Please answer honestly.
Two others both republican nominees, hmm.... is there a playbook here?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#43
Well, a Supreme Court Justice should under no circumstances be sworn in because there was reasonable doubt about his actions.

I think it’s pretty clear that none of them are saints. However, that be not the case here. What really is the case is the fact that we have a Justice that is being accused of immoral and criminal behavior. How many Justices have been accused of that before him?

well the problem there is that there was NO reasonable doubt

please pay attention

Ford does not know how she got to the home, how she got home, when it supposedly happened etc and NO ONE corroborates her story in her own named witnesses

there is plenty of reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of a testimony that even the named witnesses refute and state 'it never happened' and the 'witness' herself is caught lying during her testimony and after her testimonyf

FYI...the dems did the same thing with Justice Clarence Thomas

the dems played it the same way and they still lost

there is no case against Justice Kavanaugh.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#44
I will add, that insisting that Kavanaugh is guilty because one person said he was...and make sure to understand it IS only one person who cannot get even her best friend to verify her story...is not an issue. what would have been an issue, is CORROBORATING witness of which there are NONE

perhaps people fear the consequences of lying under oath...perjury

and why do those who insist Kavanaugh should have been disqualified consistently ignore that fact?

seems facts keep getting in the way
 
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UnderGrace

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#46
Prove it. Give me accredited sources.
A picture paints a thousand words.

Feminists - yes
Looked at discrediting evidence - no
False allegations are rare - not to them..... they are chanting "we believe survivors" to them allegations are true...... far worse

It is truly disturbing that these people have carved out a section of crime that does not require evidence, their chant proves this unequivocally.

 

Blanche

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A picture paints a thousand words.

Feminists - yes
Looked at discrediting evidence - no
False allegations are rare - not to them..... they are chanting "we believe survivors" to them allegations are true...... far worse

It is truly disturbing that these people have carved out a section of crime that does not require evidence, their chant proves this unequivocally.


Ths picture does not paint anything. You have no sources. Got it.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#49
Ths picture does not paint anything. You have no sources. Got it.

LOL!

no sources other than thousands of articles all over the news, the net and newspapers if you get one

denial of facts = guilt by rumor

God help America
 

PennEd

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#50
Well, a Supreme Court Justice should under no circumstances be sworn in because there was reasonable doubt about his actions.

I think it’s pretty clear that none of them are saints. However, that be not the case here. What really is the case is the fact that we have a Justice that is being accused of immoral and criminal behavior. How many Justices have been accused of that before him?
Think of just how incredibly dangerous this statement is.

A mere accusation is enough to disqualify someone according to Jenny.

I want you to think about this man's wife and 2 daughters, and how their husband and father has forever been stained by an accusation made because democrats fearing they would no longer be able to murder babies in the womb.
Go watch the movie Gosnell.

The consequences are so severe against an alleged perpetrator by a mere accusation, that if the accuser, and now we have men accusers as well In this country, is found to have lied, he or she should face jail time.

I know this elicits howls of " abused won't come forward". Well I am not willing to see people destroyed by false allegations.

We saw it with the Duke lacrosse team, we saw with the Rolling Stone article about the evil false accusations of A WOMAN, against a Virginia fraternity. Those women should be jailed for destroying lives.

If Ford is found to be lying, SHE should be jailed as well.
 
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#51
Well, a Supreme Court Justice should under no circumstances be sworn in because there was reasonable doubt about his actions.

I think it’s pretty clear that none of them are saints. However, that be not the case here. What really is the case is the fact that we have a Justice that is being accused of immoral and criminal behavior. How many Justices have been accused of that before him?
Your stance is "diabolical" and against God's given law of malicious accusations. It's is frankly a shameful position.
 
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#52
Well, a Supreme Court Justice should under no circumstances be sworn in because there was reasonable doubt about his actions.

I think it’s pretty clear that none of them are saints. However, that be not the case here. What really is the case is the fact that we have a Justice that is being accused of immoral and criminal behavior. How many Justices have been accused of that before him?
Well you have "reasonable doubt" all wrong.

Reasonable doubt does not cast a shadow on innocence, that is really a disturbing position.

Even though this was not a criminal proceeding "reasonable doubt" has to do with the prosecution proving its case.

No person even has to offer a defence because they are innocent until proven guilty, that is due process, the prosecution has the complete burden of proof and the proof must be beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
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#53
Ths picture does not paint anything. You have no sources. Got it.
Of course the exact answer I expected.

The left is pretty predictable in its denial of reality but rather clings to their own self constructed fantasy.

"This picture does not paint anything"

Kinda like looking at the picture of the gulags in the Soviet Union and then denying their reality, which has been done, sad that feminists have to resort denial because they know the evidence is against them.

It would seem like you do not even know what qualifies as primary source material.

Well here is some data for you......

Brent E. Turvy a criminologist researcher dispels the notion the false allegations are rare.

His research, and that of two co-authors, cited statistical studies and police crime reports.

The peer reviewed academic study showed that as many as 40 percent of sexual assault charges are false.

If you have access to scholarly Journals look it up.
 
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Jennie-Mae

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#55
Think of just how incredibly dangerous this statement is.

A mere accusation is enough to disqualify someone according to Jenny.

I want you to think about this man's wife and 2 daughters, and how their husband and father has forever been stained by an accusation made because democrats fearing they would no longer be able to murder babies in the womb.
Go watch the movie Gosnell.

The consequences are so severe against an alleged perpetrator by a mere accusation, that if the accuser, and now we have men accusers as well In this country, is found to have lied, he or she should face jail time.

I know this elicits howls of " abused won't come forward". Well I am not willing to see people destroyed by false allegations.

We saw it with the Duke lacrosse team, we saw with the Rolling Stone article about the evil false accusations of A WOMAN, against a Virginia fraternity. Those women should be jailed for destroying lives.

If Ford is found to be lying, SHE should be jailed as well.
It’s not that easy.

Whether she or he is lying should be to the investigation to find out. That takes time. The investigation of the accusations in this case would not meet the standards of any District Attorneys office.

An investigation would, maybe, reveal the person committing perjury. It could be him, it could be her. My point is, and has been all the time. One can’t just shake off accusations like that with a shrug and be screaming “she’s lying!”

That’s not how things should be. Most prosecutors would be ashamed of presenting such a case in a court of law.

Because some of y’all care so much for one of the persons involved, you are ready to throw the other person under the bus without any due process.
 
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Jennie-Mae

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#56
Well you have "reasonable doubt" all wrong.

Reasonable doubt does not cast a shadow on innocence, that is really a disturbing position.

Even though this was not a criminal proceeding "reasonable doubt" has to do with the prosecution proving its case.

No person even has to offer a defence because they are innocent until proven guilty, that is due process, the prosecution has the complete burden of proof and the proof must be beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think you misunderstand.

What I’m saying is that if you even have to raise the question of guilt or innocence of a candidate, he should be vetted more thoroughly.

That’s not the case here.

He’s been appointed, despite the accusations, that should have been investigated.

He should have welcomed such an investigation, it might could have cleared him.

But nobody’s got time for that, because the midterm elections could put him out of the race.

That’s telling me one thing. What he’s done or not is not important. The law isn’t either, the only thing that matters is getting him appointed before the midterm.

That’s due process to you?
 
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UnderGrace

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#57
It’s not that easy.

Whether she or he is lying should be to the investigation to find out. That takes time. The investigation of the accusations in this case would not meet the standards of any District Attorneys office.

An investigation would, maybe, reveal the person committing perjury. It could be him, it could be her. My point is, and has been all the time. One can’t just shake off accusations like that with a shrug and be screaming “she’s lying!”

That’s not how things should be. Most prosecutors would be ashamed of presenting such a case in a court of law.

Because some of y’all care so much for one of the persons involved, you are ready to throw the other person under the bus without any due process.
The right gave all the due process (a complete FBI investigation and a judicial hearing) and the left gave absolutely none and you are still doing that.

This is in fact the truth.

Have you not read what 7Seas wrote.

There was no Corroborating Evidence....NONE, ZERO it is acutally in the negative for her she lied under oath on a substantial question.
 
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#58
I think you misunderstand.

What I’m saying is that if you even have to raise the question of guilt or innocence of a candidate, he should be vetted more thoroughly.

That’s not the case here.

He’s been appointed, despite the accusations, that should have been investigated.

He should have welcomed such an investigation, it might could have cleared him.

But nobody’s got time for that, because the midterm elections could put him out of the race.

That’s telling me one thing. What he’s done or not is not important. The law isn’t either, the only thing that matters is getting him appointed before the midterm.

That’s due process to you?
He was investigated, why do you keep say he was not????

Are you kidding me, he has been investigated and vetted SEVEN times and never has there been any evidence of misconduct.
 

JesusLives

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Trump is the most honest person there is. Never told a lie. Never cheated anyone. A really family man.

He just changes his mind a lot....depending on his audience.