Rom. 8:9 and starting our walk with Christ .

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Romans 8:9 states , that if we do not have the Spirit of Christ in us , we are none of His .

With that said , would you agree that we all start the Salvation journey in the same state of being . Meaning , at the very start of the Salvation journey , we are being drawn to Christ by the Father , but do not have the Spirit of Christ yet , making Christ , His Word , and His promises in His Word , not ours to claim yet .

My question , is this understanding acceptable ?
 
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Does this help? :

1 Corinthians 6:11 [blb] -

"And some of you were such. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by [in / en] the Spirit of our God."
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Does this help? :

1 Corinthians 6:11 [blb] -

"And some of you were such. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by [in / en] the Spirit of our God."
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Yes , does that mean you agree with my understanding of the state of being at the very start of our walk with Christ ?
 
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Romans 8:9 states , that if we do not have the Spirit of Christ in us , we are none of His .

With that said , would you agree that we all start the Salvation journey in the same state of being . Meaning , at the very start of the Salvation journey , we are being drawn to Christ by the Father , but do not have the Spirit of Christ yet , making Christ , His Word , and His promises in His Word , not ours to claim yet .

My question , is this understanding acceptable ?
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Being saved and having the Holy Spirit occur at exactly that same instant, in fact, if you do hot have the Holy Spirit you are not saved at all . . .

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory" (Ephesians 1:12-14).
 
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Being saved and having the Holy Spirit occur at exactly that same instant, in fact, if you do hot have the Holy Spirit you are not saved at all . . .

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory" (Ephesians 1:12-14).
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Hi Baptist Bible believer , I'm just highlighting the state of being " I understand " we are all in at the very beginning of our walk with Christ , as per Rom. 8:9 .

Do you agree with the understanding I presented in the OP ?

Thanks .
 
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Yes , does that mean you agree with my understanding of the state of being at the very start of our walk with Christ ?
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Well, the way you've worded your OP can be read [taken] in two different ways, and I am unsure which meaning you intend. Might you care to re-phrase? :)
 
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Being saved and having the Holy Spirit occur at exactly that same instant, in fact, if you do hot have the Holy Spirit you are not saved at all . . .

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory" (Ephesians 1:12-14).
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Amen! If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit see - Acts 10:43-47) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?”
 
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Well, the way you've worded your OP can be read [taken] in two different ways, and I am unsure which meaning you intend. Might you care to re-phrase? :)
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Rom. 8:9 states that if we do not have the Spirit of Christ , Christ is not ours . If the Spirit of Christ is not ours , making Christ not ours , then God's word and the promises there in can't be ours either yet .

Do you agree that we all start the Salvation journey with this state of being ?

Thanks DW . Does that help ?
 
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Rom. 8:9 states that if we do not have the Spirit of Christ , Christ is not ours . If the Spirit of Christ is not ours , making Christ not ours , then God's word and the promises there in can't be ours either yet .

Do you agree that we all start the Salvation journey with this state of being ?

Thanks DW . Does that help ?
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Let me start out by saying that I agree with the two previous posters.

Salvation is Christ.

But what I sense you might be saying/asking, is that maybe you are thinking that Romans 8:9 is saying, "if any man does not exhibit the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his [at least not until then]." Are you saying/asking something like this, or am I mis-reading your intention? Thanks.
 
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mailmandan said:
Amen! If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit see - Acts 10:43-47) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?”
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Whoops! Forgot to clarify this is Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God? Also see Acts 10:43-47 for the more complete picture. (y)
 
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Let me start out by saying that I agree with the two previous posters.

Salvation is Christ.

But what I sense you might be saying/asking, is that maybe you are thinking that Romans 8:9 is saying, "if any man does not exhibit the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his [at least not until then]." Are you saying/asking something like this, or am I mis-reading your intention? Thanks.
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No DW , I'm just stating exactly what Rom 8:9 is saying , with the logical expansion if the Spirit of Christ and Christ is not ours , then God's Word and the promises there in are not ours either at that point . The point which I've highlighted at the very start of the Salvation journey
 
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Here is an example to clarify . An example , not "the" example .

We all start out in the world . At some point we start to feel the drawing or calling of the Father , to Christ . As we begin to respond to the Father's call , before we have received the Spirit of Christ , we are in the state of being described in Rom. 8:9 . This state is , we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet , so we don't have Christ yet . I expand this state by including , if we don't have Christ yet , His Word and the promises there in are not ours yet either .
 
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My question , is this understanding acceptable ?
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1. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all involved with drawing men to Christ.

2. Once a sinner repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, he or she receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is what it means to be "baptized WITH the Spirit" by Christ. Therefore only those who belong to Christ have the Spirit.

3. The Spirit then regenerates our spirits and enable us to walk in the Spirit.
 
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1. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all involved with drawing men to Christ.

2. Once a sinner repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, he or she receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is what it means to be "baptized WITH the Spirit" by Christ. Therefore only those who belong to Christ have the Spirit.

3. The Spirit then regenerates our spirits and enable us to walk in the Spirit.
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My focus would be in between 1 and 2 . 2 would be going to far .

Nobody comes to Christ less the Father draw them . After the drawing of the Father to Christ , before we repent or respond in Faith , we are in the state described in Rom. 8:9 . No Holy Spirit yet , no Christ yet , no Word of God yet , and no promises in God's Word are ours to claim yet , correct ?
 
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Nobody comes to Christ less the Father draw them . After the drawing of the Father to Christ , before we repent or respond in Faith , we are in the state described in Rom. 8:9 . No Holy Spirit yet , no Christ yet , no Word of God yet , and no promises in God's Word are ours to claim yet , correct ?
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But nobody is supposed to remain in limbo. The Gospel demands a response. Actually an immediate response.

ACTS 2 (NOTICE "THE SAME DAY)
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. [THE GOSPEL]

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? [THE CONVICTION]

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [THE COMMAND]

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. [THE PROMISE]

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. [THE COMPLETE GOSPEL]

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [THE GLAD RESPONSE]
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
But nobody is supposed to remain in limbo. The Gospel demands a response. Actually an immediate response.

ACTS 2 (NOTICE "THE SAME DAY)
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. [THE GOSPEL]

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? [THE CONVICTION]

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [THE COMMAND]

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. [THE PROMISE]

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. [THE COMPLETE GOSPEL]

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [THE GLAD RESPONSE]
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I'm not claiming a state of "limbo " , but just a continuation of the state we were in the world .

And I never introduced the gospel or God's Word into this state of being yet .

I'm only asking to agree or disagree with a state of being , before we receive the Spirit of Christ . A state of being discribed in Rom. 8:9 where if we do not have the Spirit of Christ , Christ is none of ours . I go on to state if the Spirit of Christ , and Christ are not ours yet , His Word and the promises there in can't be ours yet either .

If you don't agree with this state before we receive the Spirit of Christ , please explain why .
 
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I agree....untill adoption is made we remain outside any inheritance, or promise.
 
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I suppose it's fun to take one single verse out of a Chapter of Scripture and play around with it, however, without the ENTIRE Chapter for context and understanding, one can easily play games with a single verse as to it's meaning

In this instance, from vs. 1 to vs. 17 should be enough to come to an understanding of vs, 9

1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded islife and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

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Pisteuo said:
Romans 8:9 states , that if we do not have the Spirit of Christ in us , we are none of His .

With that said , would you agree that we all start the Salvation journey in the same state of being . Meaning , at the very start of the Salvation journey , we are being drawn to Christ by the Father , but do not have the Spirit of Christ yet , making Christ , His Word , and His promises in His Word , not ours to claim yet .

My question , is this understanding acceptable ?
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The Bible says many are called, but few are chosen, and not many wise men after the flesh, not many noble, not many mighty, are called.

No person says that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

Peter claimed Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the living God, and Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal that to him but the Father in heaven.

If a person's heart condition is right enough while in the world God will call them and work with them to get them to the truth.

So they would not have the Spirit at the start of their salvation journey until they get to the truth acknowledging Jesus as Lord and Savior, and hating sin, and not wanting sin, allowing the Spirit to lead them.

Which many are called, but few are chosen for many do not come to the truth hating sin, and not wanting sin, and understand God hates sin and does not want us to sin, but some have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof, and it points out their sins, and they are lover of pleasures, things of the world, more than the lovers of God.

The Spirit will not lead anyone that does not hate sin, and does not want sin.

We will be led of the Spirit when we come to the truth to hate sin, and do not want sin, and all were sinners when called and God started working in their life, so they would not have the Spirit at the beginning of their salvation journey to be saved, although the Spirit is working with them to get them to the truth.

The Lord knows them that are His having this seal, which this is what seals the saints, and how they are led of the Spirit, that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
 
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