Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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Are you universalist? That, in the end, all creatures in hell will come to realize their guilt and the justice of God and will start to admire him and woship him?
This would surely solve some problems, but I am not sure if this can be believed inside orthodox Christianity. Bible talks about death or about eternal death.
This would surely solve some problems, but I am not sure if this can be believed inside orthodox Christianity. Bible talks about death or about eternal death.
Nope, your misinterpretations of them are useless. The higher reason is properly interpreted Scripture in context, something you ridiculed in dialog with me, while refusing to provide any commentator who supports your false gospel. Actually you refused to answer because you cannot prove your fallacy with contextual interpretation.
How much evidence did you supply Scripturally to support you, with commentary as well? Not. A. One.
But don't worry about that, sweep the serious matter under the rug and keep on taking Scripture out of context to support you, pay no attention to context.
The doctrine is biblical, thus it lines up with the Bible, it just doesn't line up with you.
God chooses, and only the elect are saved, Soli Deo Gloria. You just don't happen to like that, so, you've made your own version of how things should be.
John 6:44-66; Romans 9:20, well, they didn't like this either, so at least you have company.
You also deny Scripture that implicitly states we are not saved via decision, and you also mix in that you did something good then God saved you. In other words you are a good boy, did something and were rewarded. Congrats, you can now boast in you and make pretense it's really Soli Deo Gloria no matter the evidence to the contrary in your gospel! You did it! Yay!!!
Now, bash others who preach the truth that it was and is all God, not their decision, not because they did something good like choosing, but due to nothing good in them, but that he chose them, just like Scripture states.
Bash away, call them arrogant.
Wait...hmmmm...isn't the one boasting of being chosen due to something he did the one who is arrogant? Yep. Boasting is excluded, but not in your gospel. But never mind that glaring truth, just sweep it under the rug too.
And never mind what 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 says, (don't bother to look there, you'll just spin it to you and claim what you've done as the real cause). Just explain it all away with your tradition, and boast away!
The logical end of your gospel is that you're in Christ because of YOU and elected because of YOU. Therefore you aren't Soli Deo Gloria, you're Pars Hominis Gloria, or perhaps even Soli Hominis Gloria.
How much evidence did you supply Scripturally to support you, with commentary as well? Not. A. One.
But don't worry about that, sweep the serious matter under the rug and keep on taking Scripture out of context to support you, pay no attention to context.
The doctrine is biblical, thus it lines up with the Bible, it just doesn't line up with you.
God chooses, and only the elect are saved, Soli Deo Gloria. You just don't happen to like that, so, you've made your own version of how things should be.
John 6:44-66; Romans 9:20, well, they didn't like this either, so at least you have company.
You also deny Scripture that implicitly states we are not saved via decision, and you also mix in that you did something good then God saved you. In other words you are a good boy, did something and were rewarded. Congrats, you can now boast in you and make pretense it's really Soli Deo Gloria no matter the evidence to the contrary in your gospel! You did it! Yay!!!
Now, bash others who preach the truth that it was and is all God, not their decision, not because they did something good like choosing, but due to nothing good in them, but that he chose them, just like Scripture states.
Bash away, call them arrogant.
Wait...hmmmm...isn't the one boasting of being chosen due to something he did the one who is arrogant? Yep. Boasting is excluded, but not in your gospel. But never mind that glaring truth, just sweep it under the rug too.
And never mind what 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 says, (don't bother to look there, you'll just spin it to you and claim what you've done as the real cause). Just explain it all away with your tradition, and boast away!
The logical end of your gospel is that you're in Christ because of YOU and elected because of YOU. Therefore you aren't Soli Deo Gloria, you're Pars Hominis Gloria, or perhaps even Soli Hominis Gloria.
You have the wrong information from listening to other men, that there will only be a few in heaven. The doctrine of Jesus allows more saved souls in heaven than any other doctrine of man. We are all born into this world as lost souls, unable to discern spiritual things as described in 1 Cor 2:14. Even the elect of God are in this state of being lost until God regenerates him as described in Eph 2, especially in verse 5. When we were in a totally depraved state of mind as the natural man is as described in 1 cor 2:14, we cannot change ourselves because we cannot discern spiritual things, nor do we have a desire to change. We are content in our state of being and have no desire to change, until God regenerates his elect.
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"For many are called, but few chosen."
Mt 22:14
"And someone said to Him, “Lord, if those being saved are few?”
And He said to them, Strive to enter in through the narrow door; for many, I say to you, will seek to enter in, and will not be able."
Lk 13:23
"Enter through the narrow gate for wide is the gate and broad the way leading to destruction, and many are those entering through it. For small is the gate and narrow the way leading to life, and few are those finding it. "
Mt 7:13
Mt 22:14
"And someone said to Him, “Lord, if those being saved are few?”
And He said to them, Strive to enter in through the narrow door; for many, I say to you, will seek to enter in, and will not be able."
Lk 13:23
"Enter through the narrow gate for wide is the gate and broad the way leading to destruction, and many are those entering through it. For small is the gate and narrow the way leading to life, and few are those finding it. "
Mt 7:13
Can you name any time or era in history, when there were more true Christians than other inhabitants of the planet?
Even today, in the era of Christianity to be a global religion, we have like 2 billions of Christians, but half are RCC. From 8 billion of people. And I just counted all nominal Christians.
Even today, in the era of Christianity to be a global religion, we have like 2 billions of Christians, but half are RCC. From 8 billion of people. And I just counted all nominal Christians.
Because they dont want to change
Again, why? Because their deeds are evil, they hate the light, WHY? Because there is a PLEASURE in SIN, for a season, this season comes to a screetching halt when a person draws their last breath and moves on from this world to eternity. But in this world, there is pleasure in sin.
People take the path of least resistance in many avenues of life. Think food, I eat lots of fast food and microwave meals, because im too lazy to prepare proper meals. I will probably pay for it by being fat one day.
Take exercise, people dont like to sweat and have their heart race, so they instead dont exercise and sit on the couch and eat. This means they are in bad shape, but there is pleasure in just sitting there and eating something good.
Its more fun to not go and get an education and not work and just party all day everyday instead. But then when you are 40, you notice you got no wife, no family, no money, and you are lonely and got nothing in life. But it was fun for a season!
Thats what it is.
Again, why? Because their deeds are evil, they hate the light, WHY? Because there is a PLEASURE in SIN, for a season, this season comes to a screetching halt when a person draws their last breath and moves on from this world to eternity. But in this world, there is pleasure in sin.
People take the path of least resistance in many avenues of life. Think food, I eat lots of fast food and microwave meals, because im too lazy to prepare proper meals. I will probably pay for it by being fat one day.
Take exercise, people dont like to sweat and have their heart race, so they instead dont exercise and sit on the couch and eat. This means they are in bad shape, but there is pleasure in just sitting there and eating something good.
Its more fun to not go and get an education and not work and just party all day everyday instead. But then when you are 40, you notice you got no wife, no family, no money, and you are lonely and got nothing in life. But it was fun for a season!
Thats what it is.
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it's not the Bible I have a problem with
if you are not a Calvinist, you are definitely trying on the uniform
salvation is not believing in a certain doctrine or the way someone words it
salvation is through Christ Jesus alone and God keeps score whether or not you or those of your belief group, think so
you might believe you have a calling to correct everyone here, seeing as you quoted a post of mine from June...from JUNE....but it's lost on me
not interested. it's settled between me and my Lord and has been for years
if you are not a Calvinist, you are definitely trying on the uniform
salvation is not believing in a certain doctrine or the way someone words it
salvation is through Christ Jesus alone and God keeps score whether or not you or those of your belief group, think so
you might believe you have a calling to correct everyone here, seeing as you quoted a post of mine from June...from JUNE....but it's lost on me
not interested. it's settled between me and my Lord and has been for years
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Those entering the wide gate are regenerated children of God who have a lack of understanding of the truth of the gospel and are going about to establish their own righteousness (salvation by their works) and not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of Christ. Those who go in the strait gate are those who have been revealed the truths of the doctrine of Christ. All who enter both gates are going to heaven.
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but what about Noah? how about Enoch?
Enoch, apparently did not even have to die
Noah was chosen by God to represent a godly race
frankly, it is my opinion that some people have such a fear of hell, such a lack of trust in Christ having accomplished all, they find comfort in believing they have no choice but to be saved
anyway forest, I am not responding any further to you so don't be disappointed. it's not you. it's me.
Enoch, apparently did not even have to die
Noah was chosen by God to represent a godly race
frankly, it is my opinion that some people have such a fear of hell, such a lack of trust in Christ having accomplished all, they find comfort in believing they have no choice but to be saved
anyway forest, I am not responding any further to you so don't be disappointed. it's not you. it's me.
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Soli gloria this and that. I dont speak latin, you can keep your latin phrases.
That boasting thing by calvinists is more fake humbleness, and now that you said i have a false gospel, while i didnt say the same about you, makes me wonder, WHAT gospel do you preach if not 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 3:21-26?
The fake humbleness comes through when they go to their "preacher voice" i wonder if the reformed theological cemetaries teach you guys to speak in the same way, like mind controlled units or something, its weird. : "Ooh, it was nothing in me, im just a wretch, but God chose me, I didnt deserve to be saved but God saved me oh". That is fine to say if you're not a calvinist, but if you are, all you are saying is in fake humble way is that God chose you, and not the rest, too bad for those poor chumps!
Calvinists are the LEAST humble, LEAST loving and LEAST friendly of all christians I have EVER met, EVER. Dont ever use that argument about being humble as a calvinist, that is just laughable. You guys are doing absolutely nothing within Christendom when compared to others. You guys are busy debating and showing respect to prophets of Ba'al. (Like your buddy James White does in his debates, as I have proven and shown ON VIDEO, but that goes without saying, he is running with a latenight TALK show host, another fake pastor Jeff Durbin)
Also how can you know YOU are elect? You can never know if God chose you, or if He only predestinated you to be one of the soils that "believe for a while and then fall away". So in reality you have less secure of a salvation than those who believe you can lose it. Sad but true, I know you will deny this but its still true.
Do you think Moses was boasting when God told him to DO SOMETHING to split the red sea, and he did it? Did he think "I did it look at me this mighty man of God out here spreading teh sea y'all"
Thats just ridicilous.
I have an interpretation and commentary but you just disagree with it. Just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean its false
All of this is meaningless drivel, I hope you only answer my question I bolded, if i got a false gospel, WHICH gospel are you preaching, if not Romans 3:21-26, 1 Cor 15:1-4?
That boasting thing by calvinists is more fake humbleness, and now that you said i have a false gospel, while i didnt say the same about you, makes me wonder, WHAT gospel do you preach if not 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 3:21-26?
The fake humbleness comes through when they go to their "preacher voice" i wonder if the reformed theological cemetaries teach you guys to speak in the same way, like mind controlled units or something, its weird. : "Ooh, it was nothing in me, im just a wretch, but God chose me, I didnt deserve to be saved but God saved me oh". That is fine to say if you're not a calvinist, but if you are, all you are saying is in fake humble way is that God chose you, and not the rest, too bad for those poor chumps!
Calvinists are the LEAST humble, LEAST loving and LEAST friendly of all christians I have EVER met, EVER. Dont ever use that argument about being humble as a calvinist, that is just laughable. You guys are doing absolutely nothing within Christendom when compared to others. You guys are busy debating and showing respect to prophets of Ba'al. (Like your buddy James White does in his debates, as I have proven and shown ON VIDEO, but that goes without saying, he is running with a latenight TALK show host, another fake pastor Jeff Durbin)
Also how can you know YOU are elect? You can never know if God chose you, or if He only predestinated you to be one of the soils that "believe for a while and then fall away". So in reality you have less secure of a salvation than those who believe you can lose it. Sad but true, I know you will deny this but its still true.
Do you think Moses was boasting when God told him to DO SOMETHING to split the red sea, and he did it? Did he think "I did it look at me this mighty man of God out here spreading teh sea y'all"
Thats just ridicilous.
I have an interpretation and commentary but you just disagree with it. Just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean its false
All of this is meaningless drivel, I hope you only answer my question I bolded, if i got a false gospel, WHICH gospel are you preaching, if not Romans 3:21-26, 1 Cor 15:1-4?
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Rightly divide the word of truth. You fail to understand the difference in the salvation scriptures. Salvation according th Greek is "a deliverance. There is an eternal deliverance pointed out in the scriptures and there is a deliverance we receive here on earth pointed out in the scriptures. When you apply all salvation scriptures to eternal deliverance, the scriptures will not harmonize. I do agree that eternal deliverance is through Christ Jesus alone.