Has the law been put aside? If so, when?

[Sketch]

Yes that applies to individuals.
How about groups of people?
The USA wages war with other nations. Is that what Jesus is speaking of also?

Jesus didn't preach "an eye for an eye". Is that what you were referring to?
Not sure how you got off on a different subject here. This isn't a political thread.

 

[lightbearer]

What did you find humorous in my post?
Here it is again.

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An eye for an eye, then?

Two wrongs never make a right. You need to do what is right.
If Grandpa is doing that to you, then it is wrong as well.
I guess I haven't seen it.

You both need to be civil. Right?
This is an opportunity to be the better man.

That you wrote it. Where in my post did I say anything that would promote or excuse the behavior we are speaking of?
Your post implies I was and it also is stating that you did not notice Grandpa doing the same as you were censoring Studyman for. I find that extremely funny.

 

[Sketch]

GP refuses to even discuss this, choosing instead to insult and ridicule over the past year. It seems you have chosen the same path.

That's a cheap shot. I was calling you on your bad behavior. Do you consider that ridicule? (and insult?)

 

[lightbearer]

Jesus didn't preach "an eye for an eye". Is that what you were referring to?
Not sure how you got off on a different subject here. This isn't a political thread.

Neither is it a studyman or grandpa censoring thread. So?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Before... until... until... Now...

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
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Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.


When was the law put aside?
Take your pick. See the list of evidence below.

Question: When was the law put aside?

Answer:

- The law was put aside at the Death of Christ.

The law was added because of Adams transgression and no one with Adams seed could be perfectly righteous with there own strength because of the weakness of the flesh though they delight In the law of GOD after the Inward man they would see another law In their flesh warring against the law of their mind and bringing them Into captivity to the law of sin which Is In the flesh.

GOD In CHRIST JESUS fulfilled all the law which Is summed up In one word,love and had mercy on those who were under law and being righteous HE satisfied the penalty required In the law for all those that were under law who broke the law which required death and took our place dieing on a cross for us,

being a perfect sacrifice that GOD the FATHER would accept and HE righteously took back the power adam handed over to satin and made a new covenant with mankind,now the Issue Is whoever believes In the WORD of GOD will receive EverLasting life.
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Hebrews 1:7-10
King James Version(KJV)


7.)And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8.)But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9.)Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10.)And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

 

[Embankment]

Jesus didn't preach "an eye for an eye". Is that what you were referring to?
Not sure how you got off on a different subject here. This isn't a political thread.

It’s just a question...

 

[Sketch]

Neither is it a studyman or grandpa censoring thread. So?

What exactly are you defending here? The right to abusive posting?

 

[Sketch]

GOD In CHRIST JESUS fulfilled all the law which Is summed up In one word,love and had mercy on those who were under law and being righteous HE satisfied the penalty required In the law for all those that were under law who broke the law which required death and took our place dieing on a cross for us,

You seem to be inferring that we were all under the law?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You seem to be inferring that we were all under the law?

I’m not sure why you feel that way.

After adam sinned the law was added because of Adams transgression,somebody might ask,what does the law was added mean.

Mankind would need to know what GODs perfect standard of righteousness (the law)was so that he could know what to do or not do.

 

[Grandpa]

You seem to be inferring that we were all under the law?

Yes.

Were. We were all under the law.

Only those who have come to Christ to receive Rest are no longer under the law.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You seem to be inferring that we were all under the law?

I'm saying that before the flesh of the son of man died on a cross,no one could make It Into heaven,even those who were held captive until JESUS preached to the spirits held captive In prison.A person would have to be reborn and this by Grace through faith.

 

[Sketch]

Yes.

Were. We were all under the law.

Only those who have come to Christ to receive Rest are no longer under the law.

Right.
But it's a curious thing when gentiles are told we are no longer under the law.
Because we were never under the law in the first place.
I think Paul means "we" collectively, both Jews and gentiles.
Do you see it that way?

 

[Sketch]

I'm saying that before the flesh of the son of man died on a cross,no one could make It Into heaven,even those who were held captive until JESUS preached to the spirits held captive In prison.A person would have to be reborn and this by Grace through faith.

Right. So that happened in the realm of the dead, in the afterlife.
What is to say that that could not happen again? But in some cases on an individual basis.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Right. So that happened in the realm of the dead, in the afterlife.
What is to say that that could not happen again? But in some cases on an individual basis.

I'm not sure why you would make a statement like that.Dont put what JESUS did for us as If It Is some kind of hocus pocus Ouija board experience.

 

[Sketch]

I'm not sure why you would make a statement like that.Dont put what JESUS did for us as If It Is some kind of hocus pocus Ouija board experience.

Where do you think the captives spirits were that Jesus preached to? (the realm of the dead)
The term "realm of the dead" is used 29 times in the Bible. It even comes up in Acts chapter 2. Twice actually.

 

[Sketch]

Dont put what JESUS did for us as If It Is some kind of hocus pocus Ouija board experience

If you stare at my palm you can see your future. (spooky) lol

 

[Grandpa]

Right.
But it's a curious thing when gentiles are told we are no longer under the law.
Because we were never under the law in the first place.
I think Paul means "we" collectively, both Jews and gentiles.
Do you see it that way?

More or less.

But even as a gentile, when you first sought Righteousness, what did you look towards as the standard? The law, right?

I think it is the natural, carnal thing to do.

 

[lightbearer]

What exactly are you defending here? The right to abusive posting?

Nope. Why? You interrupted this thread to express your opinion about how someone was posting. Personally I don't see anything wrong with that. Then another poster interrupted this thread to express how they felt about something else unrelated to the OP. I don't see anything wrong with that either. But you got on them about that with no consideration of the fact that you had just interrupted the thread yourself.
See?

 

[lightbearer]

Your theory that Christ IS the Law and Christ is the 10 commandments. Paul DID NOT preach that.

Neither do I. Christ is in the Heart and mouth. The Word is in the Heart and mouth. You Can't have one without the other but they are not the Same. The Word is Part of Christ but Christ is not part of the Word. The Word mentioned by Paul in Romans 10:6-8 is a paraphrase of Deut 30:11-14 and is in reference to the Book of the Law. This is seen in Deut. 30:10 by keeping everything in context. Verse 10 says, "the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law". By Paul Paraphrasing Deut. 30:11-14 he through GOD is drawing a parallel between what is stated in Deut. 30:10-14 and what He is talking about in Romans. We are saved by the Faith. Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths; this is the faith in which we speak

For God It was never about doing the written law. His intent in us has always been the Faith that worketh love through the heart through HIS Spirit; who we are in and through HIM. The following text show the connection between the Old Testament and New. The verses in Romans 10:6-8; Deut. 30:11-14 ; Hebrews 8:10,11; Jeremiah 31:33 are all speaking of GOD's gift of enabling us through HIS Spirit to be as HE would have us be. Please notice that this gift which is the Good News; the Gospel was availed to us from the beginning of Moses ministry if not even from the time of the fall in Eden. Romans paraphrasing the text found in Deut. Prove this.

Its one or the other. You are under the law and under the curse or you are in Christ by faith and under no condemnation.

That is right. We either live through HIS Spirit; true faith; a changed heart and mind through CHRIST or we are under the curse as we try to do it ourselves.

The bible tells us what it is.

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

It is the ministration not what was written but how it was ministered that is ministration of death. Outward observance is futile; it can't be done. It must come from the heart through HIS Spirit. And from the heart through HIS Spirit is how we are to be ministering the New Ministration.

 

[gb9]

Neither do I. Christ is in the Heart and mouth. The Word is in the Heart and mouth. You Can't have one without the other but they are not the Same. The Word is Part of Christ but Christ is not part of the Word. The Word mentioned by Paul in Romans 10:6-8 is a paraphrase of Deut 30:11-14 and is in reference to the Book of the Law. This is seen in Deut. 30:10 by keeping everything in context. Verse 10 says, "the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law". By Paul Paraphrasing Deut. 30:11-14 he through GOD is drawing a parallel between what is stated in Deut. 30:10-14 and what He is talking about in Romans. We are saved by the Faith. Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths; this is the faith in which we speak

For God It was never about doing the written law. His intent in us has always been the Faith that worketh love through the heart through HIS Spirit; who we are in and through HIM. The following text show the connection between the Old Testament and New. The verses in Romans 10:6-8; Deut. 30:11-14 ; Hebrews 8:10,11; Jeremiah 31:33 are all speaking of GOD's gift of enabling us through HIS Spirit to be as HE would have us be. Please notice that this gift which is the Good News; the Gospel was availed to us from the beginning of Moses ministry if not even from the time of the fall in Eden. Romans paraphrasing the text found in Deut. Prove this.


That is right. We either live through HIS Spirit; true faith; a changed heart and mind through CHRIST or we are under the curse as we try to do it ourselves.

It is the ministration not what was written but how it was ministered that is ministration of death. Outward observance is futile; it can't be done. It must come from the heart through HIS Spirit. And from the heart through HIS Spirit is how we are to be ministering the New Ministration.

see, here is the difference - you and the other judeaizers say that we have to keep the letter of the Law, be we Christians understand that we are to fulfill the righteous intent of the Law.

this is done by manifesting the fruits of the Sprit.

not' let's see, what is not listed as a fruit of the Sprit.... oh, keeping the jewish Sabbath, something you wrongly say Christ followers have to do.