How old is the earth?

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Yes, but that's because some see the 6 days of creation and the seventh day of rest to represent seven 24 hour periods.
Hebrews 4 indicating the seventh day still in our future, shows these are not 24 hour days.

The dark energy responsible for the universes expansion, which science has no idea what it is, is God alone according to Isaiah 44:24.
This is the first day of creation.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

The Lord (the potter) currently forms the clay (man), thus He is currently in the process of creating man; the sixth day of creation.
Isaiah 64:8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

It appears to me that all creations during the six days are currently underway.

God is unhindered by time, the Genesis creation story is the Lord declaring the end from the beginning.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
If God is still resting on the seventh day from creation then why does the Bible command us in Exodus 20 to rest one day in seven because He set the example during creation?
 
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Hebrews 4 describes the faithful in Christ resting with the Lord on the seventh day which has yet to happen.
As such it appears the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest represent more than seven 24 hour periods.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
 
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Luigi, the verse in Hebrews is referencing everyone's rest during the 1000 year reign of Christ. 6000 years work/1000 years rest. If you reinterpret the Genesis days to mean anything other than 24 hour days then the entire Bible becomes unreadable.
 
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Since science is completely based on observation and experimentation in the present, theories on the origin of life can only be disproven. The Genesis account of creation cannot be disproven but there have been numerous field finds that disprove the idea that the universe is millions of years old. Moreover, Jesus said if you would have believed Moses you would have believe me...anyways the earth is about 6000 years old.

Children have no problems understanding the Genesis account of creation, but adults do!




And how do we know until Adam was created that each day of the creation before Adam was an actual 24 hour period. Technically, each day could have been 1,000 years, 10,000 years, etc. Look how God is dealing with us now since Adam. From Adam to Christ is 4,000 years and from Christ till now around 2,000 years. If we add a 1,000 year period after Jesus returns, that makes 7,000 years. Which 7,000 years in God's time could be an actual week. So, what if the first 7 days simulated the 7 day (7,000 years) format we are in now?

We have been observing trees since the Greeks introduced science. There are documents of how long trees existed. And when these trees finally died they noticed rings in the trees and counted them. They matched the age of the tree. And we have trees, ice layers, and others that proves they have been around at least 15,000 years. Well, that is about 2 weeks if God's time was 1 day = 1,000 years.

When did the dinosaurs exist since we know they are real? Adam or anyone of that time never spoke of great beasts. And you could not fit dinosaurs on Noah's tiny Ark (compared to most dinosaurs). Clearly those dinosaurs existed before Adam was even here!
 

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Since science is completely based on observation and experimentation in the present, theories on the origin of life can only be disproven. The Genesis account of creation cannot be disproven but there have been numerous field finds that disprove the idea that the universe is millions of years old. Moreover, Jesus said if you would have believed Moses you would have believe me...anyways the earth is about 6000 years old.

Children have no problems understanding the Genesis account of creation, but adults do!
As God alone spreadeth abroad the earth, as in continental drift, which according to satellite measurements is circa a couple of inches a year; how then have the thousands of miles in separation of continents occurred over only about 6,000 years?

Isaiah 44:Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
 

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If God is still resting on the seventh day from creation then why does the Bible command us in Exodus 20 to rest one day in seven because He set the example during creation?
Man is flesh and needs to rest due to exhaustion; God is Spirit; does God then need to rest due to exhaustion?
 

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Luigi, the verse in Hebrews is referencing everyone's rest during the 1000 year reign of Christ. 6000 years work/1000 years rest. If you reinterpret the Genesis days to mean anything other than 24 hour days then the entire Bible becomes unreadable.
Are you claiming the Lord rested on the seventh day after creating everything, and then resting again during the 1000 year reign with the saints? What kind of reigning with a rod of iron would that be with God and the saints resting?
 
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As God alone spreadeth abroad the earth, as in continental drift, which according to satellite measurements is circa a couple of inches a year; how then have the thousands of miles in separation of continents occurred over only about 6,000 years?

Isaiah 44:Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 44 is more God also made the heavens and earth, the king james language does not in itself imply a creation method per se. It describes how He alone spread Himself over Earth. Continental drift is a hypothesis, one method of expkanation is that when dessication of the post flood sediments occured the volume reduction would account for some migration. Orogenesis as a response to the 'fountains of the great deep' erupting would have also contributed in crustal shortening.
 
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Are you claiming the Lord rested on the seventh day after creating everything, and then resting again during the 1000 year reign with the saints? What kind of reigning with a rod of iron would that be with God and the saints resting?
We will be resting in a sense when He reigns during the 1000 years since He will not allow sin (His rod of iron)...satan will be bound then
 

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Isaiah 44 is more God also made the heavens and earth, the king james language does not in itself imply a creation method per se. It describes how He alone spread Himself over Earth. Continental drift is a hypothesis, one method of expkanation is that when dessication of the post flood sediments occured the volume reduction would account for some migration. Orogenesis as a response to the 'fountains of the great deep' erupting would have also contributed in crustal shortening.
So according to you the Lord is simply telling everyone in His Word that He is spreading Himself over the the Earth. Kind of mundane information!
And the Lord informing in Isaiah 44:24 that He alone spreads forth the heavens (the universe) and the earth, for you to disclaim as a hypothesis would seem to me to deny the Word of God.
 
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And how do we know until Adam was created that each day of the creation before Adam was an actual 24 hour period. Technically, each day could have been 1,000 years, 10,000 years, etc. Look how God is dealing with us now since Adam. From Adam to Christ is 4,000 years and from Christ till now around 2,000 years. If we add a 1,000 year period after Jesus returns, that makes 7,000 years. Which 7,000 years in God's time could be an actual week. So, what if the first 7 days simulated the 7 day (7,000 years) format we are in now?

We have been observing trees since the Greeks introduced science. There are documents of how long trees existed. And when these trees finally died they noticed rings in the trees and counted them. They matched the age of the tree. And we have trees, ice layers, and others that proves they have been around at least 15,000 years. Well, that is about 2 weeks if God's time was 1 day = 1,000 years.

When did the dinosaurs exist since we know they are real? Adam or anyone of that time never spoke of great beasts. And you could not fit dinosaurs on Noah's tiny Ark (compared to most dinosaurs). Clearly those dinosaurs existed before Adam was even here!
Each creation day is defined with the phrase 'evening and morning'. Moreover, grass was created on the third day, and it would be no problem for grass to wait one day for the sun to be created on the fourth day. But if you try to say each creation day is a bazillion years then the creation story becomes meaningless. Its impossible to blend evolution and its immense time scales with the Bible and have the Bible make any sense. Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day and the average size of a dinosaur was that of a modern sheep (not counting baby ones could have been on the ark)...numerous factors can influence tree rings.
 
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So according to you the Lord is simply telling everyone in His Word that He is spreading Himself over the the Earth. Kind of mundane information!
And the Lord informing in Isaiah 44:24 that He alone spreads forth the heavens (the universe) and the earth, for you to disclaim as a hypothesis would seem to me to deny the Word of God.
well continental drift is a theory and whenever scientists get together and agree on something, well that's the mark of doom for that theory! :) Just saying the Bible is meant to be read at face value.
 

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well continental drift is a theory and whenever scientists get together and agree on something, well that's the mark of doom for that theory! :) Just saying the Bible is meant to be read at face value.
The Bible (the Word) is to be divided correctly. To divide the Word correctly means to gather all correlating scriptures and assess the data with common sense.
 

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Since science is completely based on observation and experimentation in the present, theories on the origin of life can only be disproven. The Genesis account of creation cannot be disproven but there have been numerous field finds that disprove the idea that the universe is millions of years old. Moreover, Jesus said if you would have believed Moses you would have believe me...anyways the earth is about 6000 years old.

Children have no problems understanding the Genesis account of creation, but adults do!
When you study the Genesis account and you read what I find in this account, are you of the opinion that I have no basis for understanding that God does not give the age of the earth? God tells us "in the beginning" but God does not tell us when that beginning was.

God's time is not measured the same as ours, God's time is eternal time. So God's "in the beginning" can be very different from our concept of beginning.
 
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When you study the Genesis account and you read what I find in this account, are you of the opinion that I have no basis for understanding that God does not give the age of the earth? God tells us "in the beginning" but God does not tell us when that beginning was.

God's time is not measured the same as ours, God's time is eternal time. So God's "in the beginning" can be very different from our concept of beginning.
the phrase 'in the beginning' is a temporal reference point for us, the receivers of His word. He is beyond time since he created time, space and matter in the beginning.
 
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the phrase 'in the beginning' is a temporal reference point for us, the receivers of His word. He is beyond time since he created time, space and matter in the beginning.
we candeduce the age of the Earth based on the geneaolgies in the Bible and other limiting factors in science. Answers in Genesis and ICR are ministries that have provided tons of scientific evidence for a young Earth.
 

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God's time is not measured the same as ours, God's time is eternal time
So if the eternal God created the heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1, then how long did the eternal God exist before he created the heaven and the earth? ;)

Time is a nothing more than a mortal perception which uses motion of the earth as it rotates upon it axis which produces the two great lights (Day and Night) as the measure for days, (See Genesis 1:14) as the earth rotates around the sun which produces the seasons, and the measure of the year.

Since the days of man in the flesh were set at 120 years, the perception of time is a sign of the mortal constraint

Moreover, grass was created on the third day, and it would be no problem for grass to wait one day for the sun to be created on the fourth day.
So God said let there be light on the first day then what light did he see?
[HINT: God said and then he saw the light, if it helps you can look at your screen for a hint.]

Of course, the period of time between sunset (evening) and sunrise (morning) is 12 hours. (See John 11:9)

Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walks in the day he stumbles not because he sees the light of the world. Of course if a man walks in the night, he can look up at the stars and still not see the light.:sneaky:
 
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Since the sun wasn't created until the 4th day Jesus was the light for the first 3 days "I am the light of the world" "Before Abraham was, I AM"
 
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Since the sun wasn't created until the 4th day Jesus was the light for the first 3 days "I am the light of the world" "Before Abraham was, I AM"
Hey welcome here brother! I looked at your profile and it said Nahum 4:1 is your favorite verse?
 
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Each creation day is defined with the phrase 'evening and morning'. Moreover, grass was created on the third day, and it would be no problem for grass to wait one day for the sun to be created on the fourth day. But if you try to say each creation day is a bazillion years then the creation story becomes meaningless. Its impossible to blend evolution and its immense time scales with the Bible and have the Bible make any sense. Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day and the average size of a dinosaur was that of a modern sheep (not counting baby ones could have been on the ark)...numerous factors can influence tree rings.




We really don't know if a full day was 24 hours then. And look at the Hebrew calendar, it has less days than ours. So, either days were longer since they went by the moon, or some how days were added to make our 365 day calendar. And Geneses chapter 2 explains that everything made during creation was already premade by God in heaven. So, it actually did not require the essentials right away. And how do you get a brontosaurus being the size of a sheep? We have actual bone fragments, and the only thing the size of sheep were the eggs laid.