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Listen pal....I am afraid of nothing....and NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW OR HAS KEPT THE LAW EXCEPT JESUS....

Have you kept the law, every jot and tittle from your conception to this day, 24/7/365? NOPE...THAT makes you a law breaker and the LAW DEEMS YOU AND I guilty (Romans 3) and POINTS US, LIKE A SCHOOL MASTER THE THE ONLY CURE...the imputed righteousness of CHRIST DIA FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW!!!!
 
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Christians do not peddle deception, false gospels and or blended false gospels of faith plus law keeping for or to keep salvation.....seems you value the worldly, pseudo use of "CHRISTIAN" over the biblical definiton of what equates to Christian.....but hey....par for the course with Cainologists, workers for, Pharisees and those that peddle a losable salvation like a street organ player with a dancing monkey in Bombay....!!!
I’ve read your message.
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Listen pal....I am afraid of nothing....and NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW OR HAS KEPT THE LAW EXCEPT JESUS....

Have you kept the law, every jot and tittle from your conception to this day, 24/7/365? NOPE...THAT makes you a law breaker and the LAW DEEMS YOU AND I guilty (Romans 3) and POINTS US, LIKE A SCHOOL MASTER THE THE ONLY CURE...the imputed righteousness of CHRIST DIA FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW!!!!
Here's just some of what the bible teaches and there's a lot more for those who will HUMBLY accept the WORD that is PLANTED in them. Try comparing them to FALSE MAN MADE doctrines that REJECTS and NULLIFIES GOD'S Word and commands.

...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21-24

...He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-13

“...As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50
 

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God will continue to bless you, these are verses from the bible, so it’s the word of God, I enjoy reading these verses..

Heads Up>>>> I suggest you do not answer about your personal life, people might want to draw you out of the context, but no, resist it, just keep on using dwelling Solely on the word of God.


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if you dwell solely on the Word of God, then you will discover the truth of being saved by grace, through faith, for good works.
 
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God will continue to bless you, these are verses from the bible, so it’s the word of God, I enjoy reading these verses..

Heads Up>>>> I suggest you do not answer about your personal life, people might want to draw you out of the context, but no, resist it, just keep on using dwelling Solely on the word of God.


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Dishonesty.......man...only one promotes that....truth is....neither one of you keep the law.....why is it so hard to be honest and truthful.....because it ruins the law keeping drivel you both probably push.....hahhaha gotta love those who push that which they themselves do not keep.....there was a group who did that 1st Century A.D.........Jesus rebuked them as well!!
 
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Here's just some of what the bible teaches and there's a lot more for those who will HUMBLY accept the WORD that is PLANTED in them. Try comparing them to FALSE MAN MADE doctrines that REJECTS and NULLIFIES GOD'S Word and commands.

...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21-24

...He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-13

“...As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50
Here is another scripture....

We conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds/ works of the LAW!

Simple yes or no will suffice....DO YOU KEEP THE LAW or HAVE YOU KEPT THE LAW YOUR WHOLE LIFE?
 

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God will continue to bless you, these are verses from the bible, so it’s the word of God, I enjoy reading these verses..

Heads Up>>>> I suggest you do not answer about your personal life, people might want to draw you out of the context, but no, resist it, just keep on using dwelling Solely on the word of God.


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I will and God bless.
 
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Dishonesty.......man...only one promotes that....truth is....neither one of you keep the law.....why is it so hard to be honest and truthful.....because it ruins the law keeping drivel you both probably push.....hahhaha gotta love those who push that which they themselves do not keep.....there was a group who did that 1st Century A.D.........Jesus rebuked them as well!!
Well I said this, so He’ll not defend himself, (his flesh) which i believe he will not.

Because The Flesh profiteth nothing. Jesus is the subject here, and He is telling us what Jesus said, and We should dwell on Jesus not @Argueless

Sir let us not move away from the truth He is trying to point out.

Oh I just saw these verses now, they look fresh(again) to me,

Romans 6:13 (KJV)
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Romans 6:18 (KJV)
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

I believe This also..
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Romans 7:25 (KJV)
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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Revelation 2:2 (KJV)
I know thy Works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Revelation 2:5 (KJV)
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first Works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation 2:9 (KJV)
I know thy Works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:13 (KJV)
I know thy Works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Revelation 2:19 (KJV)
I know thy Works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.


(KJV) I know thy Works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die:

for I have not found thy Works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.

Revelation 3:8 (KJV)
I know thy Works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:15 (KJV)
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.


May the Good Lord bless His words in our hearts 🥰
I hope these words sound sweet in a believer’s ear. 👂
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Here is another scripture....

We conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds/ works of the LAW!

Simple yes or no will suffice....DO YOU KEEP THE LAW or HAVE YOU KEPT THE LAW YOUR WHOLE LIFE?
No. Because I am in the flesh but what I received from God, the Holy Spirit HELPS ME meet the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law, the law that was placed and written in my heart and mind where God and the Son dwell and reign thru the same Spirit that works in me to LOVE GOD and my brothers, neighbours and even my enemies.

The Spirit will never lead me to disobey God. If I may sin or disobey God, I know that I have the Lord Jesus Christ who intercedes for me to the Father for my defense. I am not afraid to obey God for His glory, honor and praise.

...For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. Romans 8:3-10

Now that I have answered your question, my question is, "did the apostles and the prophets keep and uphold the law of God 24/7 and 100% from the day they were born until they died and if not,will they be THROWN INTO the lake of fire?
 

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About God giving us a genuine faith...
The way you word it sounds a little calvinistic to me.
I believe that God reveals Himself to us and then it's up to us to respond to His call and accept His conditions. The condition is Belief. Belief includes living for Him which incl works,,,however you want to understand that.

I don't believe God would ever forsake anyone.
It's WE who forsake HIM by leaving the faith...abandoning God.
No longer wanting to live for Him...etc.

I tire with the question about how many good works are needed to keep saved.
I tire with hearing that God does everything through us.

Let me ask you this: How much faith is required to keep on being saved?
see. It's a silly question. I don't feel I do enough for God, but I don't feel lost.
We do what we can. We're His hands and feet...He's not coming down here to help our neighbor (in a material way).

I'd post 2 Timothy 2:12-13 but that would start a whole new argument.

God denies NO ONE.
The person denies HIM. At this point, salvation is lost. How else could it be??


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YOU TOO ARE COUNTING NON-BORN AGAIN CHURCH GOERS AS SAVED CHRISTIANS, which is totally WRONG.

ONLY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS are SAVED CHRISTIANS.

Sitting in a Pew every Sunday, does not make you a SAVED CHRISTIAN,
any more than sitting in a Garage every night, would make you a CAR.

They are THESE People that the Scripture warns us that THEY NEVER WERE SAVED in the FIRST PLACE.

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.

Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ [.Being religious does not make you a Born Again Christian. You must have a genuine Personal Love Realationship with JESUS CHRIST AS LORD, meaning MASTER, to be Born Again. It is not doing the right things that counts, it is mourning over your UTTER SINFULNESS, Receiving HIM as LORD, and out of LOVE FOR HIM, it is doing them with the RIGHT MOTIVE FROM YOUR HEART. NO OTHER MOTIVE IS ACCEPTABLE TO GOT, excepted LOVE FOR HIM and the Brethren. That is what I never Knew You, means; that Inner Personal LOVE Relationship.]
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. [.This parable is only about those who think they are believers in Christ, and it separates the True Christians from the FALSE Christians. The NARROW GATE is the BORN AGAIN, inner, personal, LOVE relationship with JESUS CHRIST as LORD and MASTER.]
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.

Acts 20:29-31 (ESV)
29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.


NOT EVERY SO-CALLED BELIEVER IS A TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.


Matthew 24:23-26 (HCSB)
23 “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Take note: I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.


See that LAST VERSE: Do you know that the JEHOVAH WITNESSES teach that JESUS vaporized his body, and he all ready returned and indwells the Watch Tower Publishing House? They think he does that to make sure that everything they Publish will be equal to the Word of God. Surely you did not think of the Jehovah Witnesses as real Christians?


2 Timothy 3:3-7 (NCV)
3 They will not love others, will refuse to forgive, will gossip, and will not control themselves. They will be cruel, will hate what is good,
4 will turn against their friends, and will do foolish things without thinking. They will be conceited, will love pleasure instead of God,
5 and will act as if they serve God but will not have his power. Stay away from those people.
6 Some of them go into homes and get control of silly women who are full of sin and are led by many evil desires.
7 These women are always learning new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth fully.

2 Timothy 3:4-7 (NJB)
4 they will be treacherous and reckless and demented by pride, preferring their own pleasure to God.
5 They will keep up the outward appearance of religion but will have rejected the inner power of it. Keep away from people like that.
6 Of the same kind, too, are those men who insinuate themselves into families in order to get influence over silly women who are obsessed with their sins and follow one craze after another,
7 always seeking learning, but unable ever to come to knowledge of the truth.

2 Timothy 3:13-14 (NJB)
13 while these wicked impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others, and themselves deceived.
14 You must keep to what you have been taught and know to be true; remember who your teachers were,


SEE IT ? ? ? You have INCLUDED ALMOST ALL OF THEM IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU THINK WERE TRULY SAVED, Born Again; as you formed your opinion that Many have lost their Salvation.


1 John 2:19 (NCV)
19 These enemies of Christ were in our fellowship, but they left us. They never really belonged to us; if they had been a part of us, they would have stayed with us. But they left, and this shows that none of them really belonged to us.


Matthew 7:15-20 (NIV)
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
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By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
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Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.



Do you see why we Only believe the FEW are truly Born Again Christians ? ? ?


As a SAVED CHRISTIAN, I KNOW THESE VERSES ARE TRUE:

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you
will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
 
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No. Because I am in the flesh but what I received from God, the Holy Spirit HELPS ME meet the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law, the law that was placed and written in my heart and mind where God and the Son dwell and reign thru the same Spirit that works in me to LOVE GOD and my brothers, neighbours and even my enemies.

The Spirit will never lead me to disobey God. If I may sin or disobey God, I know that I have the Lord Jesus Christ who intercedes for me to the Father for my defense. I am not afraid to obey God for His glory, honor and praise.

...For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. Romans 8:3-10

Now that I have answered your question, my question is, "did the apostles and the prophets keep and uphold the law of God 24/7 and 100% from the day they were born until they died and if not,will they be THROWN INTO the lake of fire?
What do the following mean

a. Have the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith without the deeds/works of the law.

b. Concluding a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law

c. The gifts of God are IRREVOCABLE


NO AND NO to your questions....
 

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maybe this will help. belief without seeking to do the will of God is unbelief. this will help you with the other passages.....
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
 
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John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
Amen....the simplicity found in Christ......devalued by many that name Christ!
 
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John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
this is earth. the fathers will is often not fulfilled. it is why we are taught to pray for it. there are many, many, many places in scripture where we see God's will unfulfilled.
 
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If being faithfull is required. Then we have to save ourselves.

So the bible can not say you can not save yourself. Only to say you have to save yourself.. That is contradictory

People who have true faith work. It is not a matter of may work.. Faith works, read Heb 11. it does not sit idle. So ALL who are saved WILL work..

This thought they might not do anything so we must legalise the gospel and put people back under law, is from satan himself.
i agree with your second sentence. we don't work for our salvation we work from it. but the last comment i disagree with. are you saying it is okay to murder since we are not under the law? no we are under the law of the Spirit which is an expansion of some aspects of the law and an abolition of other parts. the moral law was never eliminated. it is restated in the NT over and over. i also disagree with the first comment. if you truly believe what you say, that God is responsible for it all and anything we do means we save ourselves, then LOGICALlY you must accept that those that accept Jesus Christ and live in sin are also saved since NOTHING a person does makes any difference. This is not what scripture teaches.
 
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What do the following mean

a. Have the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith without the deeds/works of the law.
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YOU TOO ARE COUNTING NON-BORN AGAIN CHURCH GOERS AS SAVED CHRISTIANS, which is totally WRONG.

ONLY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS are SAVED CHRISTIANS.

Sitting in a Pew every Sunday, does not make you a SAVED CHRISTIAN,
any more than sitting in a Garage every night, would make you a CAR.

They are THESE People that the Scripture warns us that THEY NEVER WERE SAVED in the FIRST PLACE.

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.

Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ [.Being religious does not make you a Born Again Christian. You must have a genuine Personal Love Realationship with JESUS CHRIST AS LORD, meaning MASTER, to be Born Again. It is not doing the right things that counts, it is mourning over your UTTER SINFULNESS, Receiving HIM as LORD, and out of LOVE FOR HIM, it is doing them with the RIGHT MOTIVE FROM YOUR HEART. NO OTHER MOTIVE IS ACCEPTABLE TO GOT, excepted LOVE FOR HIM and the Brethren. That is what I never Knew You, means; that Inner Personal LOVE Relationship.]
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. [.This parable is only about those who think they are believers in Christ, and it separates the True Christians from the FALSE Christians. The NARROW GATE is the BORN AGAIN, inner, personal, LOVE relationship with JESUS CHRIST as LORD and MASTER.]
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.

Acts 20:29-31 (ESV)
29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.


NOT EVERY SO-CALLED BELIEVER IS A TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN.


Matthew 24:23-26 (HCSB)
23 “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Take note: I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.


See that LAST VERSE: Do you know that the JEHOVAH WITNESSES teach that JESUS vaporized his body, and he all ready returned and indwells the Watch Tower Publishing House? They think he does that to make sure that everything they Publish will be equal to the Word of God. Surely you did not think of the Jehovah Witnesses as real Christians?


2 Timothy 3:3-7 (NCV)
3 They will not love others, will refuse to forgive, will gossip, and will not control themselves. They will be cruel, will hate what is good,
4 will turn against their friends, and will do foolish things without thinking. They will be conceited, will love pleasure instead of God,
5 and will act as if they serve God but will not have his power. Stay away from those people.
6 Some of them go into homes and get control of silly women who are full of sin and are led by many evil desires.
7 These women are always learning new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth fully.

2 Timothy 3:4-7 (NJB)
4 they will be treacherous and reckless and demented by pride, preferring their own pleasure to God.
5 They will keep up the outward appearance of religion but will have rejected the inner power of it. Keep away from people like that.
6 Of the same kind, too, are those men who insinuate themselves into families in order to get influence over silly women who are obsessed with their sins and follow one craze after another,
7 always seeking learning, but unable ever to come to knowledge of the truth.

2 Timothy 3:13-14 (NJB)
13 while these wicked impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others, and themselves deceived.
14 You must keep to what you have been taught and know to be true; remember who your teachers were,


SEE IT ? ? ? You have INCLUDED ALMOST ALL OF THEM IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU THINK WERE TRULY SAVED, Born Again; as you formed your opinion that Many have lost their Salvation.


1 John 2:19 (NCV)
19 These enemies of Christ were in our fellowship, but they left us. They never really belonged to us; if they had been a part of us, they would have stayed with us. But they left, and this shows that none of them really belonged to us.


Matthew 7:15-20 (NIV)
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.



Do you see why we Only believe the FEW are truly Born Again Christians ? ? ?


As a SAVED CHRISTIAN, I KNOW THESE VERSES ARE TRUE:

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you
will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Its good you quote these; i can start to address them, but let me just start with one tomorrow to show you how wording can get us in trouble....i did note you use all sorts of versions but we will look at the Greek....
 

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What do the following mean

a. Have the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith without the deeds/works of the law.

b. Concluding a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law

c. The gifts of God are IRREVOCABLE


NO AND NO to your questions....
We were JUSTIFIED thru FAITH in Christ. By His sacrifice on the cross, His HOLY blood shed for the forgiveness of our sins, we were made righteous. A righteousness thru FAITH.

Imputed righteousness is simply “Christ in us”

...It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our RIGHTEOUSNESS, holiness and redemption. 1 Corinthians 1:30


No one can be considered righteous without Christ in Him and he in Christ.


For Christ to be in us, we must believe and accept what we have heard (Romans 10:8-17), the WORD planted in us, which can SAVE us, (James 1:21, john 1:1-14,Matthew 13:18-23) then we will receive the promised Holy Spirit. (Galatians 3:14) The Holy Spirit will lead us unto all truth and He will be our Counselor (john 14:26) enabling us to obey His commandments which leads to RIGHTEOUSNESS leading to holiness and the result is eternal life. (Romans 6:16-22)


...“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; APART FROM ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. John 15:5-8

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR,, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. THIS IS HOW WE KNOW WE ARE IN HIM: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID. 1 John 2:3-6

...But if we WALK in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and THE BLOOD OF JESUS, his Son, PURIFIES US FROM ALL SIN. 1 John 1:7