The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation
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Well, I mean, the driver of the bus left in the 1st century, but trust me, He is coming back. He said soon, but, you know how He is...taking billions of years to make an incredible universe. A few thou? Nah, that ain't nothing. He'll be back, you'll see. You won't want to see, but you'll see.
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Not my fault? Now, you hold on there, buddy. I take full responsibility for my failures!! 
It's very difficult to read someones post and see what they fully mean(or meant). At times I notice some threads descend into nothing more than chaos over someone posting something and another misunderstanding their intention. We toss that off as a simple misunderstanding and sometimes the two resolve the difference and sometimes not.
It's the same thing though in reading the Scriptures one reads a scripture and they think it means this and another reads the same Scripture and thinks it means something else and so they argue about it. The quest is then to read it and come to what the one who wrote it meant.
I'll give an example Matthew 24:3,,, everyone reads it and sees "sign of thy coming" and the first thing that hits their mind is "sign of thy 2nd coming" why I don't know but it don't matter I notice if their post trib,pre trib. preteist, futureist Amill ect. they all see "sign of thy 2nd coming"...
I never saw that at all and why is that in all four Gospels Jesus tells them he's going to be betrayed and die but they all argue with him about it and the scripture says they didn't understand. After Jesus is crucified they think he is a spirit when he appeared to them and the women go to his grave as if he died just the same as everyone else in the past and think the gardener moved his body.
I've scratched my head and thought it was just me for a long time and wondered why I didn't see the same thing you all see about it. I felt ashamed that I couldn't see them asking about the second coming like all of you. Years ago I took the Gospels and divided them at Matt.24,Mark 13 and Luke 21 and examined if they understood to ask him about his 2nd coming at that point and then examined how they reacted after his death.
Thomas said he wouldn't believe it was Jesus unless he put his fingers in the nail holes and the spear hole. Cleopas said outright "but we trusted it HAD been he which should have redeemed Israel"(Luke 24:21) and Peter was going to go fishing. But none of them were reacting to Jesus being dead as if they understood he was about to return from the grave.
So in Matthew 24:3(and parallels) they ask him something and he knew what they ask and answered it. In it if they ask him what was the sign of his coming and meant the way all Jews thought like then they were asking when he was coming(1st and only) to set up and restore the kingdom to Israel and sit on the throne as King. If so the answer that Jesus gave is that. Now his answer could include things about his 2nd coming even though they didn't understand that at that time. lol, But it's kind like a hologram tilt it this way and it's this and the other and it's that.
I chunk bits of this out at times but in all truth I'm a big coward. I knew I saw this different from you all but was always afraid of ridicule and spent a whole long part of my life trying to hide what I saw. I would be saying something that 99 percent of Christianity says something different about so like I said i was always afraid and thought it was me seeing it wrong and tried to force myself to see the same as you all. I think I'm wrong for doing that.
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The "wrath" and the great tribulation are part of the same event(s), and all occurred in the 1st century AD - John warned the vipers to repent and escape the wrath to come:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
How could the vipers escape the wrath if it was hundreds of years to come - get with the program rapturists.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
How could the vipers escape the wrath if it was hundreds of years to come - get with the program rapturists.
66-70 AD.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
The vipers John warned were of this generation.
Your disagreement is with Jesus because of your fawlty understanding.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
The vipers John warned were of this generation.
Your disagreement is with Jesus because of your fawlty understanding.
Of course, but you need to understand the nature of prophetic hyperbole as used by the prophets:
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
The above language was used to describe the downfall of the Babylonian kingdom by the Medes.
Jesus is using known prophetic language to describe the down fall of Jersualem and punishment of the apostate Jews.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
The above language was used to describe the downfall of the Babylonian kingdom by the Medes.
Jesus is using known prophetic language to describe the down fall of Jersualem and punishment of the apostate Jews.
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