Why Do Christians Ignore some of Jesus' Teachings?

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A warning-about entering into His rest.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering
into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

-how did they came short?

Heb 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us,
even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them,
because it was not united by (faith) with them that heard.

-they did not have faith.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest;even as
he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise,
And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;

-notice entering into that rest is connected with the seventh day.

Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto,
and they to whom the good tidings were before preached

Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David
so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before),
To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken
afterward of another day.

-David said "today" long after Joshua took them into the promised land
so thus proving that there is a rest still to be entered.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works,
as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest,
lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

-A rest remains, but notice the issue is do not disobey.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of holies;
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was a golden pot holding the manna,
and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

-the pot of manna was put in the most Holy

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee
these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know
what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna,
which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know


that man doth not live by bread only, but by everything that proceedeth
out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live.


And thou shalt remember all the way which the Lord thy God led thee these forty years
in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. Deuteronomy 8:2

-God tested them for 40 years to humble them to see what was in their hearts.
that they should live by every word (10 commandments spoken by Gods own mouth)
not by bread alone.

-what did the bread teach?

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them,
whether they will walk in my law, or not.

Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day, that they shall prepare that which
they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

-and how long did God prove them with the manna?

Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which Jehovah hath commanded, Let
an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread
wherewith I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omerful of manna therein,
and lay it up before Jehovah, to be kept throughout your generations.

As Jehovah commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
And the children of Israel did eat the manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited;
they did eat the manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

-40 years. this is the issue being spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 3:16 For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they
that came out of Egypt by Moses?

Heb 3:17 And with whom was he displeased forty years?
was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest,
but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.


Hebrews 4:4-10 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [Gen. 2:2-3].

And in this [place again],

If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth
that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in
because of unbelief [sound familiar?]: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David,
To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [see below] to the people of God. For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

rest (G4520) sabbatismos
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by
the true worshippers of God and true Christians
from a derivative of G4521

(G4521) sabbaton
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites
were required to abstain from all work
1a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
of Hebrew origin H7676

(H7676) shabba^th
1. Sabbath
1a. sabbath
1b. day of atonement
1c. sabbath year
1d. week
1e. produce (in sabbath year)
intensive from H7673

(7673) sha^bath
1. to cease, desist, rest
1a. (Qal)
1a-1. to cease
1a-2. to rest, desist (from labour)
1b. (Niphal) to cease
1c. (Hiphil)
1c-1. to cause to cease, put an end to
1c-2. to exterminate, destroy
1c-3. to cause to desist from
1c-4. to remove
1c-5. to cause to fail
2. (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
a primitive root

Genesis 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God
blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from
all his work which God created and made."

The LORD created the seventh day (Sabbath), blessed and sanctified it
"because that in it he had rested from all his work".

-once God has blessed something, can it be undone?

Numbers 23:19-20 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall
he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless:
and he hath blessed; and [I cannot reverse it]."

-Here Balaam tells Balak that the LORD gave him a commandment to bless Israel.
He told Balak that what the LORD has blessed, he cannot reverse it.
Do we think we can reverse the blessing the LORD has placed on something?

1 Chronicles 17:26-27 "And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness
unto thy servant: Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may
be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever."
 

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Creation week

For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Right. The Sabbath points back to that.
 

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The Sabbath points back to that.
The Sabbath points forward to the 7th thousand year also.

Six thousand years man going his own way,
The last thousand is in the Mill. reign of Christ on earth.

"Which are a shadow of things to come

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with
the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 

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God blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day at end of creation week.

If the Sabbath is done away, when did He ever unbless this day?
 

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The Sabbath points forward to the 7th thousand year also.

Six thousand years man going his own way,
The last thousand is in the Mill. reign of Christ on earth.

"Which are a shadow of things to come

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with
the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
That looks like a house of cards to me.
Haven't we already passed that deadline?
Are you naming dates? Are you a SDA?
 

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Yes in creation week, when God blessed and sanctified it,
almost 6 thousand years ago, still ongoing even today.
How do we know that the seventh day of creation was the same day as the seventh day after manna collection?
 

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God blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day at end of creation week.

If the Sabbath is done away, when did He ever unbless this day?
For whom was it blessed? Who knew before Moses?

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
 

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That looks like a house of cards to me.
Haven't we already passed that deadline?
Are you naming dates? Are you a SDA?
What deadline ?

You mean the theory that the c. Church claim we are in the 1000 year reign now,
then 1000 years passed, so they come up with 1000 years means a very long undetermined time
 

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How do we know that the seventh day of creation was the same day
as the seventh day after manna collection?
So now you think God does not know the correct day,
or Christ keep the wrong day that He had made for Man..
 

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For whom was it blessed?
The Sabbath was made for man,
and it was blessed and sanctified at creation week.
You really need to go back and actually read it in the bible.
 

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So now you think God does not know the correct day,
or Christ keep the wrong day that He had made for Man..
There are lots of factors to consider.
It is night on one side of the planet and day on the other.
What time zone ids the seventh day Sabbath in?
Should it be observed on Israel time?
 

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The Sabbath was made for man,
and it was blessed and sanctified at creation week.
You really need to go back and actually read it in the bible.
I have read it.
That's why I disagree with you.
Who knew before God told Moses?
There is no evidence of any human observing the Sabbath before Exodus chapter sixteen.
 

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I have read it.
That's why I disagree with you.
Who knew before God told Moses?
There is no evidence of any human observing the Sabbath before Exodus chapter sixteen.
Men evolve many arguments to evade the commandments of God
because the carnal mind is hostile to God, and is not subject to His law! (Romans 8:7).

When men reject the commandments of God, that they may hold to their traditions
(Mark 7:6-9), they must devise arguments to justify their rebellion.

One of the arguments is that God’s commandments
did not exist until the children of Israel reached Mt. Sinai.

-Adam was created and living when sunset came that sixth day of creation week
—when God rested from His work. Adam knew which was the seventh day,
he was with God on that day.

-Jesus called Abel “righteous”(Matthew 23:35), Abel kept the Sabbath.
and “all thy commandments are righteousness” (Psalm 119:172).

Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
and having on the breastplate of righteousness; Ephesians 6:14

Cain and Abel brought offerings to God, Why?, Angeles presented themselves also.
This could very well be one of the Holy days for males attendence, given to the lads.

For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation
upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
and was clad with zeal as a cloak. Isaiah 59:17

-Enoch “walked with God,” God keep the Sabbath, so Enoch must have kept the Sabbath.
—and he was “translated” less than a hundred years before Noah.
Amos 3:3 (KJV) Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

They knew which day was the same seventh day all through this time.
Adam lived 243 years with Methuselah, and until Lamech was 56 years of age.
These men knew which day was the seventh day Sabbath.
Methuselah lived 600 years with Noah, and Lamech lived with Noah 595 years.

-Noah certainly learned from them, and others, which was the same seventh day.
he also knew Gods calendar, to be able to record when the flood events happened.
And Noah kept it, because Noah was a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5)

-Shem was also righteous, and he lived until Abraham was 150 years old. Noah died
only about two years before Abraham was born. time was not lost down to Abraham

Abraham kept God’s commandments 430 years before his descendants
reached Sinai. “Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,
MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, AND MY LAWS” (Genesis 26:5).
God is speaking. He is explaining [why] He made the great promises to Abraham.

-Abraham kept God’s Sabbath!
 

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-Adam was created and living when sunset came that sixth day of creation week
—when God rested from His work. Adam knew which was the seventh day,
he was with God on that day.
It wasn't the seventh day for Adam. It was the second day.
Six days of work come first. How could humankind ever be on the same day as God rested?
That would only work if humankind were made the previous week and then worked the whole week that God did.
 

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There is no evidence of any human observing the Sabbath before Exodus chapter sixteen.
“[T]he [ETERNAL] hath given you the Sabbath.” Nowhere in all God’s Word
can you find any statement that “The Eternal hath given you Sunday.”

“For by him [Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible …. And he is the head of the body, the church …”(Colossians 1:16, 18).

The Sabbath was made by Jesus Christ for man,
and He said plainly that He is Lord also of the Sabbath!

It was made for mankind, not just for the jews but[ all flesh] even animals.

On the seventh day He MADE THE SABBATH! But the Sabbath was made, not by work,
but by rest. What He ended on the seventh day was the work of creation—that which was
created by work! On the seventh day He rested! He created the Sabbath by resting.

Was He so fatigued He was forced to stop and rest?
Positively not, for God “fainteth not, neither is weary”! (Isaiah 40:28).

Yet, this was a real rest, because in Exodus 31:17 it is written: “… in six days
the Lord [Christ] made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested,
and was refreshed.” Since He was “refreshed” by this rest, it was a real rest.

Yet He was not tired or weary! Why did He rest? To put His divine presence in that day!
He made the Sabbath day by resting, whereas He had made all other things by working!

Notice further! Also He “blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it”!
What does “sanctified” mean? Look in your dictionary.


It means “set apart, for holy use or purpose.” He set apart this day
from other days—set it apart for holy use—for a day of physical
rest, in which His people may assemble and worship God!

Therefore what God did—and God did it by Christ—
was to make future TIME holy!

No man has power to make anything holy. God alone is holy—or whatever God has
made holy! No group or organization of men has authority to make future time holy!

Gods presence is Holy

“Moses! Moses!” called God, “… put off thy shoes from off thy feet,
for the place whereon thou standest is HOLY GROUND” (Exodus 3:2-5).

The ground a mile away was not holy. Why did it make any difference whether Moses
took off his shoes—or where? Here is why! The ground where he then stood was holy .
He was required, by God, to treat holy ground with a respect he did not treat other ground.

And why? Well, what made that particular bit of ground holy?
God’s very presence was in that ground! God is holy !
God’s presence in that bush made the ground around it holy!

In the very same manner, God’s presence is in His Sabbath.
He rested on that first Sabbath to put His presence in that day!


This made it holy time! Four thousand years later, when this same “Logos,” or “Word,”
was made flesh—when He came as Jesus Christ in the human flesh—
He was still putting His presence in that same weekly recurring Sabbath—

He went into the synagogues as His custom was!
 

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And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
What about these? Is this an example of Sabbath promotion?

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
 

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“[T]he [ETERNAL] hath given you the Sabbath.” Nowhere in all God’s Word
can you find any statement that “The Eternal hath given you Sunday.”
I'm not claiming that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
The Sabbath is still the seventh day. Ask any Jew.
 

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He went into the synagogues as His custom was!
Where's the news? A Jew going to synagogue is not news.
Something else significant is going on here.
His custom was not going to synagogue. (everyone did that) What was it?
 
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To: Mountaindude 28

God bless you, bro! I am really looking for truth. For 30 years I believed that all of Jesus' teachings were for all of us, but some two years ago I came across a video where a pastor talked about the differences between the teachings of Jesus before the cross and His teachings after the cross (through his spokesman Paul).

Here is the video that prompted me to start reviewing my beliefs:

In regards to laws...there is no difference between before and after the crucifixion. It's just that the Gospels are written by Jews and for Jews primarily BUT applicable to the believer as well to follow. Paul writes letters to the Gentiles primarily and to give a further insight to what following the Torah should look like and how believers (again primarily Gentiles) should act and respond (like Halachic ruling to Gentile Believers, given in a format like the Talmud, for Paul is a Pharisee and a great one he is and writes like one.

Additionally, many of the powerful impacts of Yeshua's death that are not written in the NT are actually heavily written in the hidden texts of the concepts of "Mashiach Ben Yosef" and what the roles of a Mashiach really is, in and throughout all aspects of life and the Will of G-d.